Horrorcore rapper faces murder charges.

[Percival]

Is this a neck full of hickeys? Booking photo:

[Maddy]

Naw, barracuda, you're wrong. To you and I (and some others here) this has the shock level of Scooby Doo monsters, but to many people who are more innocent this stuff is truly horrifying and outrageous. And frankly, I wish I were that innocent. But relegating it to the level of Scooby Doo is basically "okaying" it (which I'm sure you're not trying to do), and well, I have to agree with Percival that this isn't okay - its not okay to glorify rape and misogyny and serial murder, especially in impressionable young people. Glorifying those things is what helps keep the war machine turning, ya know? Though I really really understand the need for kids to get out what's being put into them - and this society puts that stuff into them in many ways. That's why I said, reality mimics art as much as art mimics reality. In the 14-1500s Xtianity was horrifying and terrifying people - and you get artists like Breugal. In the 2000s society and politics are horrifying and terrifying people and you end up with horrorcore. In the 80s we had punk. In the 90s we had goth. Horrorcore is punk and goth grown up.

[Maddy]

That's a neck full of pimples.

[lightningBugout]

Horrorcore is punk and goth grown up.

No.

[OP ED]

its not okay to glorify rape and misogyny and serial murder, especially in impressionable young people. Glorifying those things is what helps keep the war machine turning, ya know? Though I really really understand the need for kids to get out what's being put into them - and this society puts that stuff into them in many ways.

sure, sure, but the show in southgate wasn't ALL AGES.

these kids, the dead ones, only got in because the girl's dead parents decided to take them to it.

same way with the records, in theory, only adults can buy them. tho' kids nowadays just download the shite anyhow.

[Maddy]

Do you really think that girl's parents are the type of people who would have gone out and bought CDs of those groups on their own? Looked them up on the internet and said, "Hey! Awesome! Let's go to a concert!" I don't think so.

They may have done it for their kids, for whatever reasons (just like their kids are into it for their reasons), but it wasn't their idea. I'd bet my little black heart on that. This is all about the kids, and whoever is using this shite to manipulate the generations the same way that the Monkeys, the Mama's and the Papa's, etc. were used to manipulate the hippies.

[OP ED]

i'm just saying, its not right to overlook the (hindsight) obvious value of simply not letting the creepy guy who sings songs about rape and murder date your underaged daughter and stay at your house...

[barracuda]

Naw, barracuda, you're wrong.

Maybe. Or maybe that's just the level at which I place the influence of Scooby Doo on the lives of kids who watched enough of the cartoons and movies. I don't see anything in the works of the horrorcore artisits that weren't taking place in the music of, for example, Iggy Pop: the blood, the violence, the sex, the insanity - it's all there. Or undoubtably the stage act of GG Allin, or any number of other well-known punk or hardcore artists. And satanism as a riff upon which to base your music is shocking enough in today's society to spawn... The Osbournes. Did you catch Kelly on Dancing With The Stars?

On second thought, I guess that is horrifying and outrageous.

Keep in mind that Syko's father was the one who turned him on to Insane Clown Posse.

[Maddy]

i'm just saying, its not right to overlook the (hindsight) obvious value of simply not letting the creepy guy who sings songs about rape and murder date your underaged daughter and stay at your house...

Totally.

Barracuda, I really see where you're coming from, and normally, just for myself I'd totally agree with you (I actually do on a lot of things you write), but I'm attempting to look at this from the view of both a parent (which I am not) and a straight-laced "normal" person who isn't usually subjected to the strange and unusual (which, obviously, I'm not). LOL what a mind leap for me!

In regards to that odour I mentioned, that bothers me:

http://www.wtvr.com/wtvr-waiter-talks-w ... 7538.story

Scott, the General Manager of the Huddle House on Main Street says it blew her away because just the day before, she, her son and a few other workers at the restaurant chatted with Richard Sam McCroskey.

She and her son Cody arrived at work just before six a.m. last Friday and when they walked in, McCroskey was sitting on a barstool eating barbeque, fries and drinking a monster sized energy drink.

Patty tells CBS 6 "I leaned over and said to him, son, that drink isn't good for you. He commented I don't plan on going to sleep." When she got next to him, the manager says she detected a horrible odor. One, she never smelled before.

Just noting, and yeah, it was the day before.

[barracuda]

Maddy, Friday was the 18th, the same day he was arrested. The incident at the restaurant happened just before the cab ride at 6:30.

"She and her son Cody arrived at work just before six a.m. last Friday..."

[lightningBugout]

its not okay to glorify rape and misogyny and serial murder, especially in impressionable young people. Glorifying those things is what helps keep the war machine turning, ya know? Though I really really understand the need for kids to get out what's being put into them - and this society puts that stuff into them in many ways.

Sigh. What in the f'ing world does this whole "glorifying" thing mean? Depicting darkness in art-form is not equivalent to celebration. Jesus.

[bubblefunk]

Horrorcore is punk and goth grown up.

No.

Yeesh, ABSOLUTELY No! It is neither - nor is it "grown up" in any way!

[Percival]

Ive been in to punk all of my life and horrorcore has nothing at all in common with it.

[bubblefunk]

What I mean to say is that your understanding of punk (at the least) (mentioning GG Allin like he was really some kind of inspiration to those who truly value what Punk is) seems shallow and driven by sensationalism. That's not your fault, but look past that to what it really meant to so many of us.

[lightningBugout]

What I mean to say is that your understanding of punk (at the least) (mentioning GG Allin like he was really some kind of inspiration to those who truly value what Punk is) seems shallow and driven by sensationalism. That's not your fault, but look past that to what it really meant to so many of us.

Having grown up on a saccharine diet of emotional hardcore from Washington DC, I only came to recognize the utter value and importance of what GG did many years after the fact. But I do now. I think of him everytime I see CNN doing a story about the PIL reunion, for example. Or hear Steve Jones' radio show or see that horrible twat John Lydon practically anywhere.

GG was permanently changed. Disgusting sociopath yes. But no risk whatsoever of ever selling out.