Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

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Postby chump » Mon Feb 22, 2010 8:18 pm

Texas Plane Crash: Wife of Joe Stack Calls Attack 'Unimaginable Tragedy'

It doesn't say much about her.

The wife of the suicidal Texas pilot who slammed his plane into an Austin office building called the attack today an "unimaginable tragedy."

Authorities question whether the crash was vengeful act or domestic terrorism.

Sheryl Stack, who was mentioned in the hate-filled suicide note thought to have been left by her husband, issued a statement extending "my sincerest sympathy to the victims and their families."

"Words cannot adequately express my sorrow or the sympathy I feel for everyone affected by this unimaginable tragedy," she said.

Sheryl Stack said she would not answer any questions because of the ongoing investigation.



2 deaths, 1 burn victim:

Despite the spectacular crash and fire that left the seven-story building a blackened hulk, only Stack and one other person are believed to have died. Officials have not yet identified the second victim, a federal employee -- but a man told ABC News Huntsville, Ala., affiliate WAAY-TV that the dead man was his brother, Vernon Hunter, 61, an IRS collection agent.

Stack's Daughter Retracts 'Hero' Statement

"His last actions, the suicide, the catastrophe that caused injuries and death, that was wrong," Samantha Bell, Stack's daughter from his first marriage, told "Good Morning America" in a morning television exclusive telephone interview that aired today. "But if nobody comes out and speaks up on behalf of injustice, then nothing will ever be accomplished. But I do not agree with his last action with what he did. But I do agree about the government."

When "Good Morning America" asked if she considered her father a "hero," Bell, 38, said, "Yes, because now maybe people will listen." Bell later called "Good Morning America" to retract her statement and say unequivocally that her father was "not a hero."

Rather, she said the only hero involved in the attack was its victim, Vietnam veteran Vernon Hunter, the only person besides Stack killed in the attack.

"I don't want to hurt anybody," Bell said. "We are mourning for Vernon Hunter."

"His last actions, the suicide, the catastrophe that caused injuries and death, that was wrong," Bell said in the aired interview. "But if nobody comes out and speaks up on behalf of injustice, then nothing will ever be accomplished. But I do not agree with his last action with what he did. But I do agree about the government."


Texas Plane Attack Prompts Debate Over Terrorism Label

"The position of many individuals and institutions seems to be that no act of violence can be labeled 'terrorism' unless it is carried out by a Muslim," said Nihad Awad, director of the Washington-based Council on Islamic-American Relations.

Within hours of Thursday's crash, which several witnesses said stirred memories of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, both federal and local law enforcement officials, along with the White House, said it did not appear to be an act of terror. A widely quoted statement issued by the Department of Homeland Security also said officials had "no reason to believe there is a nexus to terrorist activity..."

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Homeland chief: Domestic extremism is top concern
WASHINGTON -- Americans who turn to terrorism and plot against the U.S. are now as big a concern as international terrorists, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Sunday.

The government is just starting to confront this reality and does not have a good handle on how to prevent someone from becoming a violent extremist, she said.


John Brennan, President Barack Obama's homeland security adviser, echoed Napolitano's concerns about violent extremism Sunday.

Countering violent extremism is not just a federal issue, Brennan told the governors; it's something that needs to be addressed as a nation.

The White House hosted a meeting to discuss these issues Friday, Brennan said.


Oh. Muslim terrorists.
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Is he a terrorists or a hero debate here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 04450.html

Rep. Lloyd Doggett (D-Tex.) compared the fatal attack to the 1995 bombing of a federal building in Oklahoma City. "This was a cowardly act of domestic terrorism," he said Thursday. Asked in Austin if the plane crash had been an act of terrorism, Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Tex.) said, "It sounds like it to me."

Praise for Stack appeared to be largely anonymous, but because it appeared online so rapidly it quickly threaded itself into his Google cache -- popping up on right- and left-wing sites that tried to bat it down, as well as white-supremacist ones that did not take such pains.


"God bless Joe Stack an american hero" a person writing as "summit02," posted on the blog of Tea Party Patriots, an umbrella group for the conservative movement. "Thank you Joe for your heroism in the fight aganist the evil elites. that are destroying america," the person wrote.


On the Web site of the Young Turks, a liberal radio program, "MitchmanTX" proclaimed: "Joe Stack Fallen Patriot - Rest In Peace...."


Commenters at InfoWars argued that Stack was not a conservative, and may not even have been behind the attack. He "was apparently a very good musician -- who played jazz and Steely Dan music. Doesn't fit the 'white redneck beer-drinkin' rightwing conservative' -- does it? No," wrote "Manipulation media."


Last and most importantly (from the same article):

"It is always a battle between anarchy and tyranny. Always has been," Texas Gov. Rick Perry told MSNBC on Thursday. He said security measures might be implemented because of the attack.
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby dbcooper41 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 9:13 pm

Commenters at InfoWars argued that Stack was not a conservative, and may not even have been behind the attack. He "was apparently a very good musician -- who played jazz and Steely Dan music.



Steely Dan ? i wonder if we'll see a video of him playing:

DON'T TAKE ME ALIVE

Agents of the law
Luckless pedestrian
I know you're out there
With rage in your eyes and your megaphones
Saying all is forgiven
Mad Dog surrender
How can I answer
A man of my mind can do anything
CHORUS:
I'm a bookkeeper's son
I don't want to shoot no one
Well I crossed my old man back in Oregon
Don't take me alive
Got a case of dynamite
I could hold out here all night
Yes I crossed my old man back in Oregon
Don't take me alive

Can you hear the evil crowd
The lies and the laughter
I hear my inside
The mechanized hum of another world
Where no sun is shining
No red light flashing
Here in this darkness
I know what I've done
I know all at once who I am

CHORUS
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby dbcooper41 » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:37 pm

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world ... y/7100150/

Files show Ala. suspect's husband wanted revenge :: WRAL.com

Files show Ala. suspect's husband wanted revenge
By DENISE LAVOIE
AP Legal Affairs Writer
Posted: 27 minutes ago
Updated: 26 minutes ago
BOSTON — Documents obtained by The Associated Press reveal the husband of the
Alabama professor accused of gunning down three colleagues once said he wanted
violent revenge on a doctor who gave his wife a bad job review.
Amy Bishop is charged with killing three colleagues at the University of
Alabama-Huntsville on Feb. 12. Investigative files released Tuesday show that
Bishop and her husband, James Anderson, were questioned in 1993 in the attempted
mail bombing of Dr. Paul Rosenberg of Boston's Children's Hospital.
Rosenberg says he played a role in Bishop's resignation as a research fellow. A
pipe bomb package was sent to his home weeks later.
The files show Anderson told a witness he wanted to get back at Rosenberg by
shooting, bombing, stabbing or strangling him. The couple were never charged.
The Boston Globe first reported the content of the files.
Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby elfismiles » Tue Feb 23, 2010 12:58 pm


Stack's daughter recants her statement (Video)
She said she doesn't consider him a hero
Updated: Monday, 22 Feb 2010, 6:31 PM CST
Published : Monday, 22 Feb 2010, 11:52 AM CST

Jenny Hoff
AUSTIN (KXAN) - As investigators continue to sift through the rubble at the Echelon building in Northwest Austin, Americans are trying to piece together the story of Joe Stack and what he hoped to accomplish with his suicide attack on Thursday.

According to his daughter, he was taking a stand against the government, but she no longer believes he was a "hero."

"His last actions, the suicide, the catastrophe that caused injuries and death, that was wrong," said Samantha Bell, Stack's daughter in an interview with Good Morning America. "But if nobody comes out and speaks up on behalf of injustice, then nothing will ever be accomplished. But I do not agree with his last action with what he did. But I do agree about the government."

During the interview with Good Morning America, Bell said her father was a hero because he made people pay attention to the country's problems. After stirring up a firestorm of controversy, however, she later recanted her statement. She said he could have found a better way to make his point about the country's "faulty" tax system.

Meanwhile, one person who immediately reacted to Bell's praises of her father was Ken Hunter, a man whose father was killed the day Stack flew his plane into the IRS building.

"How can you call your dad a hero when he took life for no reason?" said Hunter. "If you don't like the tax laws, contact Congress. That is what the United States is about...That's how you make changes in the United States. You don't make changes by becoming a terrorist."

While Stack was obviously angry at the governmnent, he was at least partially to blame for his IRS problem,s according to the Austin auditor who was named in Stack's suicide manifesto.

“Mr. Stack contacted my firm to help with his personal taxes in 2008," reads Bill Ross' statement. "He failed to provide me with all his income and other information resulting in an IRS audit. Unfortunately, Mr. Stack ignored the audit and my advice which only complicated his situation, at which time our firm disengaged our services with Mr. Stack whom we have not been in contact with since October 2009.”

http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/texas/Stac ... him-a-hero

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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby Sweejak » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:48 pm

DATE: Joe Stack, Austin ‘Suicide’ Pilot, Co-owned Hanger With Homeland Security Initiative Program Manager
Thanks to Ofgoatsandmen for sending this information over.
Austinist found this page on the Williamson Central Appraisal District website (mirror)that lists the owners of a hanger at the Georgetown airport as John Podolak and Joseph Stack.

http://cryptogon.com/?p=13842
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby elfismiles » Tue Feb 23, 2010 11:51 pm


Victim's widow sues widow of suicide pilot
© 2010 The Associated Press
Feb. 23, 2010, 5:44PM


AUSTIN, Texas — The widow of the Internal Revenue Service worker killed when a plane smashed into the agency's Austin office is suing the pilot's widow.

Authorities say 53-year-old Andrew Joseph Stack III deliberately crashed his single-engine plane into the building last Thursday in a suicide attack. Vernon Hunter, a 68-year-old manager in the IRS office, also was killed.

Stack left behind a long Internet posting blaming the IRS for personal problems spanning decades.

The lawsuit filed Monday in Austin says Sheryl Stack should have warned others about her husband.

Daniel Ross, attorney for Hunter's widow Valerie Hunter, says the lawsuit against Sheryl Stack seeks to determine if the pilot left behind insurance policies or other assets.

It wasn't immediately known if Sheryl Stack has an attorney.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hot ... 81832.html

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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:54 am

Joe Stacks Intriguing Connections With Defense Contractors, Intelligence Agencies

Austin suicide pilot jointly leased hanger with manager of air defense systems manager

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, February 23, 2010

Austin suicide pilot Joe Stack kept some very interesting company as far as the client list for his software programming company is concerned, including a defense contractor with NSA and Homeland Security connections that ironically dealt with air defense systems.

The Georgetown Airport hanger in which Stacks ill-fated Piper Cherokee was kept was jointly leased by Stack and a man called John Podolak, records show.

The Of Goats and Men blog highlights the fact that Podolak was appointed in 2004 to manage L-3 Avisys Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Counter-MANPADS (Man-Portable Air Defense Systems) initiative.

L-3 Avisys is a defense contractor with its main headquarters based in Austin Texas which sells products and works closely with the Department of Defense and unnamed U.S. Government intelligence agencies.

Podolak was hired to oversee a strong team of more than 10 IRCM defense suppliers who will perform research studies and lead the transition of the teams proposed CAPS (Commercial Airliner Protection System) technology to the airline industry.

L-3 was also a key client for Stacks software programming business. Stack helped develop a GPS-based Fight Management System for IEC, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of L-3.

L-3 was also investigated by the SEC for its role in the suspicious number of put options on United and American Airlines, speculation that a companys stock will fall, in the days before 9/11.




Who is John Podolak?
From the L-3 website:
John Podolak to Oversee Transition of Team’s Anti-Missile System to Commercial Applications
AUSTIN, Texas, February 25, 2004 – AVISYS, Inc., a defense technologies and system integration company, today announced John Podolak as the infrared countermeasure (IRCM) program manager for its Department of Homeland Security (DHS) Counter-MANPADS (Man-Portable Air Defense Systems) initiative. Podolak will oversee a strong team of more than 10 IRCM defense suppliers who will perform research studies and lead the transition of the team’s proposed CAPS (Commercial Airliner Protection System) technology to the airline industry.
In keeping with an “airline-centric” solution, Podolak brings a wealth of commercial aviation experience to the United Airlines (OTCBB: UALAQ: OB) led team. The team was one of the three companies awarded a $2 million contract in early January by the DHS Counter-MANPADS Special Projects Office. The award represents Phase I of a two-year, $100 million DHS research and development program to design and demonstrate infrared countermeasures) against the potential MANPADS missile threat to U.S. commercial airliners. AVISYS is the IRCM technology lead and systems architect for CAPS.

“Having led teams that load and maintain expendable countermeasures (ALE-39) and having trained pilots to defensively employ them, John Podolak is the perfect choice to lead the transition of this technology to the airline industry with our team,” said Ron Gates, president of AVISYS, Inc. “CAPS provides an affordable and highly effective countermeasures capability for both wide- and narrow-body aircraft. John and his experienced IRCM team will help prove CAPS is the best solution for DHS and the commercial airline industry.”
Podolak is a veteran pilot of two major airlines, having flown several U.S. commercial aircraft including the A-320 and B-727. As a former naval officer flying the S-3B Viking, Podolak served as a Weapons Training Officer and as an Avionics/Armament and Quality Assurance Division Officer.
“Our team is a highly qualified mix of companies experienced in all aspects of the aviation industry and in airborne self-protection systems,” said John Podolak, IRCM program manager for AVISYS DHS Counter-MANPADS Program. “We will work to define a system design and implementation approach for our CAPS solution while being sensitive to the demands of airline operations.”
A Naval Academy graduate, Podolak recently served as a reservist at Central Command during the Iraq war. Since then, he has been serving as a program manager in support of AVISYS Air Force operations in San Antonio, Texas. Podolak is also a flight instructor and an award winning aerobatic and glider pilot with experience in over 50 different aircraft.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby dbcooper41 » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:14 pm

http://smackdown911.angelfire.com/Smackdown_9-11.pdf

i wonder if this is the same john podolak? he's refered to as "Lieutenant John R. Podolak Newark International Airport".
scroll down to page 245.

was joe stack's hangar partner on the ground on 9/11/2001?

his resume seems a little thin during that time period.
he was assigned to Central Command which, in my opinion, played a big part in 9/11.
also, IIRC "CAPS (Commercial Airliner Protection System)", his area of responsibility, played a roll in identifying evil doers on 9/11/2001.and for some reason i first heard of L-3 during my initial 9/11 research many years ago. but now i can't recall their role or find my notes. anyone else know about them?

Port Authority Memorandum, 1-22-02 From: Detective Thomas M. Inman:
“We arrived at the Command Post located at West and Vesey Streets at approximately 0935 hours. As a roll call was being taken of the responding

Detectives, Tower #2 began to collapse. This occurred after a secondary explosion on the west side of the tower that appeared to take place in the area of the high 60’s. The area above the secondary explosion actually leaned to the west and then the collapse took place.”
*So many witnesses saw these explosions on the west side of the South Tower, precipitating its collapse. Blasts hidden on the west side of the South Tower would've been out of view of media central, the north portion of Manhattan, and partially blocked from view by the North Tower. It was the perfect position for its explosive death knell. It then leaned to the west briefly and collapsed.

Port Authority Hand Written Memorandum, 3-6-02 From: P.O. James Ludlow:
“Kindly be advised that the above named officer did comply with Chief Morris order #64-01 and did submit a handwritten report. However, Lt. John Podolak recently informed me that my original report was missing and I must submit another.”
…heard what appeared to be gunshots. I thought to myself not only did they crash a plane into my buildings, now they’re trying to shoot us. Someone had tried to enter the auditorium of the Manhattan Community College. However, the doors were chained shut. I later found out an industrious officer shot out the glass windows to gain entry to the premises to escape the smoke and dust.”
*I wondered why Ludlow’s original correspondence disappeared and if there was anything in his original that may have facilitated that.

“We were at Harrison and West when we were ordered into the B.M.C.C. auditorium. Inside the premises, Chief Fields was about to speak when we were told of a bomb scare and we were to get out quickly.”

Port Authority Memorandum, date not evident From: Lieutenant John R. Podolak Newark International Airport:
“…us to evacuate the auditorium as quickly as possible. The reason given was that an explosive device had been observed on the street outside the auditorium. This alarm was incorrect and later amended to a natural gas leak.” *An explosive device was visually mistaken for a gas leak?
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby dbcooper41 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 12:39 pm

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world ... y/7115381/

they have found him guilty by proclamation of arson. has anyone seen any evidence that he actually set the fire?
did they find he bought gasoline, or whatever was used.?
any results of how the fire was started?

Officials rule arson caused fire at pilot's house

Posted: Today at 8:44 a.m.
Updated: Today at 8:56 a.m.

AUSTIN, Texas — Authorities in Texas have ruled arson is the official cause of the fire that destroyed the house belonging to the man who flew his plane into an office building.

Austin Fire Department spokesman Andre de la Reza (day-luh-RAY'-suh) said Thursday that the Feb. 18 blaze was intentionally set. Investigators say Joseph Stack started the blaze, drove to a nearby airport and then flew his single-engine plane into the complex that houses offices of the Internal Revenue Service. The crash killed Stack and IRS employee Vernon Hunter.

Authorities later found a rambling manifesto from Stack in which he described a long-smoldering dispute with the IRS and a hatred of the government.

The family's accountant has confirmed that the Stacks were in the middle of an audit for reportedly failing to report income.

Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby chump » Thu Feb 25, 2010 1:44 pm

Nice catch DB. That would be like Al hussein husseini (sp?) who was questioned after the bombing in OKC, and then found to be working at Boston's Logan Airport on 9/11.

I checked out Slad's clip of Alex Jones above. AJ posits that most of the IRS personel in the Echelon building were out of their offices having a meeting in a separate building at the time of the attack; something they had never done before! I wish NBC would report this stuff. Has anybody else reported this? At all? If Alex Jones is full of shit about this, he's going to hell! I've read a few news reports over the last few days, and I don't remember seeing that! I think I read that there were 190 IRS employess in that building, and about one IRS employee who said he watched the plane come in, but nothing about an out of office meeting being the fortuitous reason that there were so few casualties. Could it be that this and the report that the FBI left Dallas the day before would be just a little too suspicious!

But forget that for a minute, and, briefly, what do we have?

- AJ also states, and it has been pretty much verified that fire departments from all over Travis County had an unprecedented emergency meeting, with their fire trucks, less than 500 feet away in the parking lot next door. "Emergency crews from all over Austin were amassed, told to have a drill there that morning." The Fire departments from all over Travis County had an unprecedented emergency meeting in the parking lot next door (or accross the street) at the same time the plane hit. Why?

- Joe Stack co-owned the hanger where he kept his plane with a "Homeland Security Initiative Program Manager"( http://cryptogon.com/?p=13842 ) .

- They both worked for a company called L-3; who is somewhat entrenched in the 9/11 saga:

http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2010/ ... owned.html and http://ofgoatsandmen.blogspot.com/2010/ ... a-and.html

the client list has corporations on it such as Interstate Electronics Corporation, which needed Mr. Stack's help on developing a GPS-based Fight Management System of all things. IEC is a wholly owned subsidiary of L-3 which is a defence contractor with obvious Homeland Security and NSA connections.


L-3 was also apparently investigated by the SEC for unusual stock put-options in relation to 9/11. And then a few people have brought up this old story, which I remember from Wayne Madsen a few years ago:

http://www.opednews.com/populum/diarypage.php?did=9603

"A long-time L-3 Communications consultant for the National Security Agency (NSA) was, according to our source, one of the very few recipients of the live video stream that caught the first plane hitting the North Tower. The only other official who revealed that he saw the first plane strike the building on a live television link was President George W. Bush. Bush said on two occasions that he saw the first plane hit the building on television while waiting to speak to a group of elementary schoolchildren on the morning of 9/11..."


- They both worked on aircraft guidance systems for the usual suspects. For instance:

Hughes Aircraft, one of Stack's clients, developed the ground mission control segment of the Global Hawk. Another Stack client, Teledyne, is the prime contractor for the Global Hawk, and L3 supplied its communications system.

Other clients on the list such as DMC Stratex Networks and Sorrento Electronics also are defense contractors and probably a closer examination of these and other corporations on Stack's client list will reveal more interesting details.


I was looking to verify those claims about the FBI and the IRS when I ran accross this from subversiveunclefrank (?) in the comments section at Prison Planet: http://www.prisonplanet.com/joe-stacks- ... ncies.html. In one comment SUF claims to have worked with Mr. Stark. Whatever. But, further down, he had this to say about the nature of their work together that I felt was enlightening:

I can’t guess what happened here, but I just detected that people don’t actually understand what Joseph did for a living (and what I did for a living while working for him and others for a defense contractor).

He wasn’t a computer programmer in the sense that he programmed the kind of computer that you are reading this on. He was a software engineer (the terminology used by the military and defense contractors). Outside of government, he would be known as a firmware coder, firmware programmer, embedded systems designer or systems engineer. What he programmed are processes that control mechanical things.

For instance, when you go to the hospital and get your blood pressure checked with that automatic device where you just put the cuff on and push the button and it does the rest… that is an “embedded system.” There is a processor in there that controls the gates that turn on and off the cuff, measure pressure to get a pulse and turn off the cuff at the right times and then display the result.

These devices are everywhere. They run the robotics in any manufacturing plant. They are in your car. They are in your telephones. They are in the thermostats that run your house. You don’t see a keyboard and a monitor on these computers. But you program them using a regular PC and then upload the code to them typically through an RS232 port. That is what Joe Stack did.

But he didn’t work on manufacturing plant robots nor on cars nor on thermostats or blood pressure cuffs. He worked on aviation equipment. He worked on the computers that run airplanes. He specifically worked on remote control applications. The B2 and the F117 can both be flown by remote control. He worked on programming those computers both onboard the aircraft AND in the flight simulator like chambers where the pilots sit to fly them.

And he enjoyed testing things on his own plane and was an avid pilot. He had remote control equipment on his own plane! That is what he did for a living.

Now consider his ties to L3 and L3’s ties to knowing about 9-11 in advance and buying put options on American and United. Joseph Stack worked for the CIA. He was an embedded systems programmer. He worked on remote control aircraft software.

I can’t put the final pieces together. I honestly don’t know what happened, but the facts in this case lead to some kind of extremely interesting story.

Heck. Who knows? Maybe Joseph Stack is still alive and remote control flew his plain into the building. Or maybe he was to be assasinated and they figured a false flag operation would be good to go along with the assasination of Joseph Stack so they called him to a meeting in another state and then took remote control of his aircraft using his own device. Flying it into the IRS building makes it easy then to take control of the investigation of his burning house and get any top secret stuff he may have had illegally at home.

I don’t know, but you have to understand that not only did he work for the CIA before the 1st gulf war. You also need to know that his specialty is programming and designing embedded systems for aircraft. That is important information in getting close to what actually happened.


This off the books manufacturing reminded me of that in Terry Reeds book, Compromised, in which he claims to have been involved in somewhat similiar operations for the Company. I'm just throwing it out there. (And, actually, it reminds me of a type of industrial sabotage that Toyota could be experiencing nowadays, but that's another thread.)

Add all this up and it's already starting to get interesting. Throw in some proof that IRS personel were having an unprecedented meeting in another building at the time of the hit, and that the FBI left Dallas a day early to be there, and that John Podalak was in NYC on 9/11, and then the fact that all the news outlets will have covered it up, well, you know ...

It shouldn't be too hard for a newsman to ask about the IRS meeting . While you're at it, find out who else occupies that building and what kind of records were destroyed. Somebody mentioned that the Echelon Building is like a bowl of governmental alphabet soup. Is that true? Is everybody in that building committed to secrecy?

BTW, I didn't understand when, somewhere back in this thread, it was mentioned that Cryptogon insinuated that the Texas Kamikaze could be connected to the "Cyber Shockwave" exercise that they ran in D.C. last Tuesday: http://cryptogon.com/?p=13859. Too bad we don't have the governments resources to figure this out. Is the government, or someone, just using those resources to figure out who's figuring it out; and then shock 'em? Maybe it's the internet version of "War of the Worlds".

What a mindf**k.
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby 23 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:24 pm

I'm glad to see a serious effort to scrutinize some of AJ's claims, instead of their immediate dismissal because of his unique egocentricity.

Being uniquely egocentric doesn't preclude you from being right when you are right.

And many a truthful message has been communicated by highly egocentric messengers.

If the lack of egocentricity ever became a requirement for truth telling, Diogenes' mission would forever be a fruitless one.

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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby dbcooper41 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:31 pm

i'm not convinced at all that john "r" podolak from 9/11 is the same guy as stack's partner.
i found a usna related spreadsheet that shows a john "E" podolak. though i'm sure it wouldn't be too unusual to change middle initials if you wanted to confuse things.
i sure would like to learn more about john r from newark airport.
can't seem to find anything else on either podolak.

http://www.usna88.com/sheet.xls

PODOLAK, JOHN E. 874

does anyone here have military access to the naval academy website so we can learn more about j podolak, class of 1986, iirc.
podolak's resume says he worked at cent com.
was he in tampa when the bishop kid flew his cherokee into the tampa boa building? i can't find a link but i recall reading that he may have been dead or passed out when he hit the building, like it is suggested of stack.
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby ninakat » Thu Feb 25, 2010 2:35 pm

That's true, 23. But I couldn't help but notice that was your 666th posting. You devil, you. :angelwings:
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby dbcooper41 » Thu Feb 25, 2010 5:47 pm

john podolak is a very elusive individual.
but, fwiw, i'm certain "our" john podolak is "john e(dward) podolak jr", formerly of bristol ct. his father died in 2001.
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“27 John Edward Podolak, Jr. Bristol, Connecticut i General Engineering Naval
Flight 0(ficer John came to 2 ' ?ih with an eye for trouble and beautiful women.
His search carried him from U. of Delaware to Schaeffer ' s pub, where he became
blood brothers with B.I. His love for flying allowed him to become squadron
commander of VTNA, where he made sure the first priority was his own training.
Although his immediate goal is NFO, he still hopes to fly for Iceland Air and
own his own brewery. We still don ' t know how he avoided the BIG FRY after mess
night 2nd class year. We ' ll always remember him for his ' Get all you can '
attitude and disarming smile. And we ' ll never forget — Clean floors, the '
sters, water-weenies, Colorado Sand- wich, 280 ' s, 10th in drill, and that
incredible way with women (I mean, words) — ' Gentlemen . . . . ' Good luck in
P-cola and the Blue Yonder. And remember, " You may fire when ready, Gridley. "
BLAA.AAAH!!! Z, WES, Sonny Dean Albert Sacerdote Walpole. Massachusetts
Political Science Surface Warfare Dean, aka " the screen " came to USNA from
Massachusetts, dragging along his worldly innocence and atrocious accent. Out-
wardly a model of virtue, deep inside there smoldered the heart of a weak-m


he's in the congressional record as havng been made a lt commander in the naval reserve in 1997
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-1997- ... 1390-2.htm
Congressional Record, Volume 143 Issue 148 (Wednesday, October 29, 1997)This is
Google's cache of
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CREC-1997- ... 1390-2.htm.
It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on Jan 5, 2010 19:17:19 GMT.

e navy

The following-named officers for appointment to the grade
indicated in the U.S Navy under Title 10, United States Code,
section 624:

To be lieutenant commander

MATTHEW B. AARON, 6900..........
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JAMES T. PIERCE, 1849
WILLIAM S. PIESESKI, 7831
JOHN PINCKNEY, 9234
STEPHEN J. PINEDO, 7370
ROGER E. PLASSE, JR., 1815
PATRICK J. PLESH, 5362
JOHN W. PLOHETSKI, 9192
JOHN E. PODOLAK, JR., 8690
TODD E. POLLARD, 1592
MARTIN L. POMPEO, 6132
MICHAEL J. POPADAK, 0685
JAMES R. POPP, 7368
PATRICK J. PORTER, 6044


maybe this will help someone else find out some info on his true career.
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Re: Breaking: Small Plane Crashes into Austin Building

Postby lupercal » Thu Feb 25, 2010 10:55 pm

This is starting to sound like a touring revival of 911. Smaller cast, local actors, modest production values, less spectacular special effects, but underwritten by the international superstars who produced the New York show no one can forget, etc.

Speaking of which, has anyone seen the actual plane parts? Oddly enough I haven't..

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