Coming Soon - War with Iran?

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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:11 pm

U.S. troops quietly surge into Middle East

David S. Cloud, Tribune Co.

Friday, January 13, 2012

The Pentagon has quietly shifted combat troops and warships to the Middle East after the top American commander in the region warned that he needed additional forces to deal with Iran and other potential threats, U.S. officials said.

Marine Corps Gen. James Mattis, who heads U.S. Central Command, won White House approval for the deployments late last year after talks with the government in Baghdad broke down over keeping U.S. troops in Iraq, but the extent of the Pentagon moves is only now becoming clear.

Officials said the deployments are not meant to suggest a buildup to war, but rather are intended as a quick-reaction and contingency force in case a military crisis erupts in the standoff with Tehran over its suspected nuclear weapons program.

The Pentagon has stationed nearly 15,000 troops in Kuwait, adding to a small contingent already there. The new units include two Army infantry brigades and a helicopter unit - a substantial increase in combat power after nearly a decade in which Kuwait chiefly served as a staging area for supplies and personnel heading to Iraq.

The Pentagon also has decided to keep two aircraft carriers and their strike groups in the region.

Earlier this week, the American carrier Carl Vinson joined the carrier Stennis in the Arabian Sea, giving commanders major naval and air assets in case Iran carries out its recent threats to close the Strait of Hormuz, a strategic chokepoint in the Persian Gulf, where one-fifth of the world's oil shipments passes.


Iran sends rare letter to U.S. over killed scientist

By Parisa Hafezi

TEHRAN | Sat Jan 14, 2012 12:30pm EST

(Reuters) - Iran said on Saturday it had evidence Washington was behind the latest killing of one of its nuclear scientists, state television reported, at a time when tensions over the country's nuclear program have escalated to their highest level ever.

In the fifth attack of its kind in two years, a magnetic bomb was attached to the door of 32-year-old Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan's car during the Wednesday morning rush-hour in the capital. His driver was also killed.

U.S. Secretary of State Hilary Clinton denied responsibility and Israeli President Shimon Peres said Israel had no role in the attack, to the best of his knowledge.

"We have reliable documents and evidence that this terrorist act was planned, guided and supported by the CIA," the Iranian foreign ministry said in a letter handed to the Swiss ambassador in Tehran, state TV reported. The Swiss embassy represents U.S. interests in a country where Washington has no diplomatic ties.

The spokesman for Iran's Joint Armed Forces Staff, Massoud Jazayeri, said: "Our enemies, especially America , Britain and the Zionist regime (Israel), have to be held responsible for their actions."

Iran in the past has accused Israel of causing a series of spectacular and sometimes bloody mishaps to its nuclear programme. Israeli officials do not comment on any involvement in those events, although some have publicly expressed satisfaction at the setbacks.

Feeling the heat from unprecedented new sanctions, Iran's clerical establishment has brandished its sword by threatening to block the main Mid-East oil shipping route, starting to enrich uranium at an underground bunker and sentencing an Iranian-American citizen to death on spying charges.

State TV said a "letter of condemnation" had also been sent to Britain, saying the killing of Iranian nuclear scientists began after the head of Britain's MI6 spy service announced intelligence operations against states seeking nuclear weapons.

The West says Iran's nuclear programme is aimed at building a bomb. Tehran says it has the right to peaceful nuclear power.

Tehran has urged the U.N. Security Council and Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to condemn the latest killing.

After years of international sanctions that had little impact on Iran, U.S. President Barack Obama signed new measures on New Year's Eve that, if fully implemented, would make it impossible for most countries to pay for Iranian oil.

Washington is requiring that countries gradually reduce their purchases of Iranian oil in order to receive temporary waivers from the sanctions.

The European Union is expected to unveil similar measures next week, and announce a gradual oil embargo among its member states, who collectively buy about a fifth of Iran's exports.

The combined measures mean Iran may fail to sell all of the 2.6 million barrels a day of exports it relies on to feed its 74 million people. Even if it finds buyers, it will have to offer steep discounts, cutting into its desperately-needed revenue.

On Tuesday shipping sources told Reuters Iran was storing an increasing supply of oil at sea - as much as 8 million barrels - and was likely to store more as it struggles to sell it.

Iran denies it is having trouble: "There has been no disruption in Iran's crude exports through the Persian Gulf ... We have not stored oil in the Gulf because of sanctions as some foreign media reported," oil official Pirouz Mousavi told the semi-official Mehr news agency on Friday.

The sanctions are causing real hardship on the streets, where prices for basic imported goods are soaring, the rial currency has plummeted and Iranians have been flocking to sell rials to buy dollars to protect their savings.

The pain comes less than two months before a parliamentary election, Iran's first since a presidential vote in 2009 that was followed by eight months of street demonstrations.

Iran's authorities successfully put down that revolt by force, but since then the "Arab Spring" has shown the vulnerability of authoritarian governments in the region to protests fueled by anger over economic difficulty.

CLASH THREAT

Iran has threatened to block the Strait of Hormuz leading to the Gulf if sanctions are imposed on its oil exports, and has threatened to take unspecified action if Washington sails an aircraft carrier through the strait, an international waterway.

Military experts say Tehran can do little to fight the massive U.S.-led fleet that guards the strait, but the threats raise the chance of a miscalculation that could lead to a military clash and a global oil crisis.

The Pentagon said on Friday that small Iranian boats had approached close to U.S. vessels in the strait last week, although it said it did not believe there was "hostile intent."

The United States and Israel have not ruled out military action if diplomacy fails to resolve the nuclear dispute. Iran says it would retaliate if attacked.

The tension has caused spikes in global oil prices in recent weeks, although prices eased at the close of last week's trading on the prospect of reduced demand in economically stricken European countries. Brent crude fell 82 cents to settle at $110.44 a barrel on Friday.

The chances for an imminent easing of tension look even more remote as the nuclear deadlock continues because of Iran's refusal to halt the sensitive nuclear work.

Last week Iran began enriching uranium underground - the most controversial part of its nuclear programme - at a bunker deep below a mountain near the Shi'ite holy city of Qom.

Nuclear talks with major powers collapsed a year ago. Iran says it wants the talks to resume, but the West says there is no point unless it is willing to discuss a halt to uranium enrichment, which can be used to make material for a bomb.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Jan 14, 2012 11:34 pm

U.S. army chief heads to Israel as fears over attack on Iran mount
Visit comes as U.S. attempts to determine Israel's intentions with regard to a possible attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.

Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff, is scheduled to arrive in Israel on Thursday for talks with Defense Minister Ehud Barak, Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Benny Gantz, and other senior defense and intelligence officials.

The visit comes as the United States attempts to coordinate with Israel on the issue of Iran's nuclear capabilities, and to determine Israel's intentions with regard to a possible attack on Iranian nuclear facilities.

Dempsey may also meet with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Ahead of Dempsey's visit, the Wall Street Journal published statements by senior American officers who said the United States had increased preparations for a possible Israeli attack on Iran. They also said the United States has refreshed plans for defending American installations in the Middle East in the event of a retaliation by Iran.

One senior officer told the Wall Street Journal that the United States' concerns regarding a possible Israeli attack on Iran were increasing.

In November, following a visit to Israel by U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, Haaretz reported that Netanyahu and Barak had refused to vow against attacking Iran without first coordinating with the United States.

According to the Wall Street Journal, both U.S. President Barack Obama and Panetta have conveyed messages through quiet channels to senior Israeli officials regarding the serious implications of an Israeli attack on Iran. They also reportedly told Israel it should allow more time for sanctions on Iran to take effect.

In the meantime, the United States is preparing for various scenarios following an Israeli attack on Iran, senior American officials reportedly told the Wall Street Journal. These include an attack by Shi'ites in Iraq on the U.S. Embassy in Baghdad. There are currently 15,000 U.S. citizens in Iraq.

Dempsey's visit to Israel also comes against the backdrop of increased tension between Iran and the West over Tehran's threats to close the Straits of Hormuz, which would compromise oil shipments to the West, and threats to avenge the recent assassination of an Iraqi nuclear scientist on Wednesday. The regime is accusing Israel, the United States and Britain of the assassination.

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has denied responsibility for the attack. Israeli President Shimon Peres said Israel had no role in the attack, to the best of his knowledge.

The spokesman for Iran's Joint Armed Forces Staff, Massoud Jazayeri, said: "Our enemies, especially America, Britain and the Zionist regime [Israel], have to be held responsible for their actions." According to a report in the New York Times on Friday, senior American officials said Obama recently told the supreme leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khameneii, via a secret channel that closing the Straits of Hormuz would constitute crossing a "red line." Obama reportedly said such an action would draw a severe American response.

Also this weekend, Netanyahu said in an interview with the Weekend Australian that he believed the strong sanctions against Iran were damaging the regime in Tehran. He said he thought a combination of the sanctions and the threat of U.S. military action against its nuclear facilities could force Iran to back down.

Netanyahu said the Iranian economy was "showing clear signs of stress."

"For the first time," he said, "I see Iran wobble under the sanctions that have been adopted and especially under the threat of strong sanctions on their central bank."

Netanyahu's remarks notwithstanding, a senior Israeli official told Haaretz yesterday that there was disappointment in Jerusalem over the fact that harsher sanctions have not been imposed on Iran.

"Without sanctions on Iran's central bank and on its oil exports, the regime will not back down and will not stop its nuclear program," the official said.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Simulist » Sun Jan 15, 2012 12:56 pm

Nordic wrote:Wow. Thought I'd check out the Daily Show tonight while The Colbert Report downloads to the DVR, and the guy is totally schilling against Iran, totally carrying the water for the warmongers. Pretty sick shit. Not very funny to be literally threatening a country with war and trying to be silly and funny at the same time.

What's especially repugnant is he's even showing clips from Leon Panetta's interview above, and is LEAVING OUT the part where Panetta admits Iran is NOT making a nuclear bomb.

Wow.

This is a new lowest of lows for him.

I was sad when I recognized that about him sometime back, and you helped me to see it, Nordic.

"The left" (well, what passes for it in this country) has been totally bamboozled -- no real surprise there, the right has been bamboozled too, it's just that it's easier for lefties to see that.

There really is a "Them" -- and They know our psychology very, very well -- and of course they use it to manipulate us. It works too.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Searcher08 » Sun Jan 15, 2012 4:07 pm

So if you were Ahmadinejad, what would you do?

I would ask Russia and China what it would take to have their troops guard the nuclear facilities.
I would also give Russia and China inspection powers.

I don't think even the Israelis would attack in that case.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Ben D » Sun Jan 15, 2012 8:10 pm

From PressTV...
US, Israel in open rift over Iran

Sun Jan 15, 2012 7:3PM GMT

The US and Israel cancel a joint military drill, which was originally scheduled to be held in spring, in what seems to be a sign of deepening rifts between the age-old allies.

On January 5, Israeli military announced that Tel Aviv is gearing up for a major missile defense exercise, codenamed Austere Challenge 12, with US forces. According to DEBKAfile, a recent comment by Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon sparked a dispute between Washington and Tel Aviv and prompted the White House to call off the January 15 drill.

Speaking in an early morning radio interview, the Israeli official said the United States was hesitant over sanctions against Iran's Central Bank and oil sector for fear of a spike in oil prices.

Following his interview, Washington announced that the exercise had been officially postponed from spring 2012 to the last quarter of the year over "budgetary constraints" - an obvious diplomatic locution for cancellation.

An unnamed military source told DEBKAfile that the White House made the announcement urgently at an unusually early hour Washington time to underscore the Obama administration's total disassociation from any preparations to attack Iran. Washington also aimed to stress its position that if an attack took place, Israel alone would be accountable.

The friction between Israel and US, came to the surface last week by the deep resentment aroused in Israel by Washington's harsh condemnation of the assassination last Wednesday, Jan. 11, of Iran's nuclear scientist Mostafa Ahmadi-Roshan.

The report added that prior to the cancellation, the US had started building up its military presence around Iran by stationing nearly 15,000 troops in Kuwait and keeping two aircraft carriers in the region: The USS Carl Vinson, the USS John Stennis and their strike groups.

A third carrier, the USS Abraham Lincoln, is also on its way to the Persian Gulf.

Therefore, DEBKAfile added, “The "budgetary constraints" pretext for cancelling Austere Challenge 12 is hard to credit since most of the money has already been spent in flying 9,000 US troops into Israel this month.”

The cancellation, according to the report, proves that the US and Israel are discordant in three main areas:

1. While Obama needs more time to persuade countries to back his sanctions against Iran's Central Bank and oil sector, Israel seeks rapid action against Iran before the end of 2012;

2. President Obama insists on the US acting alone in attacking Iran with no Israeli military involvement in order to safeguard Washington against the surprise consequences of a lone Israeli action. Israel has declined to make this commitment - even in the face of US efforts at persuasion;

3. US military strategists are counting on an Iranian reprisal for an attack on its nuclear sites to be restrained and limited to certain US military assets in the region and expect Israel to refrain from striking back for Iranian attacks and to leave the payback option entirely in American hands. No Israeli official, however, is willing to leave defending Israel in American hands or relinquish unilateral military options against Iran.

The report concluded that in the light of credible intelligence that Iran is very close to achieving its nuclear goal, Israel is holding on to its military option over American objections.


From RT, same story....Give peace a chance? US and Israel postpone largest joint drill
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Jan 16, 2012 5:29 am

I'm not sure what to make of this: the media (including Right-wing media like the Wall Street Journal and others), have been pushing this line for a few days now, that the US is desperately trying to stop a hot-headed Israel from attacking Iran.

This does not compute: Israel would never, ever attack a heavily-armed Iran at the height of its military ability and willingness to devastate Israel back, even if it had a green light from the US.

What game are they playing? It feels like a diversionary tactic, as Israel receives an unprecedented amount of highly advanced weaponry from the US.

Believe it or not, I'm beginning to wonder if Israel is indeed preparing for an attack, but not against Iran. I'm beginning to wonder if Israel's real target is Egypt, and all this noise and fury is to distract from the preparations.

Egypt is a very rich prize and right now it's at its weakest, providing Israel with what the zionists may very well perceive as an unprecedented but very temporary window of opportunity.


    Top Israeli Official Slams Obama For Not Being More Hostile to Iran
    Vice PM Blames 'Election-Year Considerations'
    by Jason Ditz, January 15, 2012


    One of the top officials in the Israeli cabinet, Vice Premier Moshe Yaalon has condemned President Obama today, saying that he is not being nearly hostile enough toward the Iranian government and needs to impose harsher sanctions.

    Yaalon, who also holds the position of Strategic Affairs Minister (a cabinet position created explicitly for moving against Iran), insisted that Obama was trying to avoid an embargo on Iran’s oil exports “for fear of oil prices rising this year, out of election-year considerations.”

    Israeli officials say that Yaalon’s position “reflects the thinking of some within the country’s national security establishment.” Other Israeli officials are said to be demanding serious moves from the US in “the next few weeks.”

    The comments come as Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey is scheduled to arrive in Israel soon, set to discuss growing concern among US military leaders that Israel is planning to start a war with Iran over US objections and without informing the US beforehand. Link
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jan 16, 2012 6:39 am

I trust your intuition, Alice. Something is in play for sure. It's playing now. The date it happens will be meant to surprise -- and yet not -- welcome to meta. There are many twists and turns. This is not the era to be a left wing pragmatist with an eye on "teh conspricays". But then again, it is.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Ben D » Mon Jan 16, 2012 7:07 am

What occurred to me re the announcement of postponement of US-Israel spring joint defense exercise until later in 2012, is that the sanctions on Iran's oil exports cuts in about June (Iran said it would close the strait of Hormuz if US impose the sanctions) and thus the resources that would have been involved in such exercise may now be needed to deployed and prepared along with whatever other resources needed for the real thing if it comes to that.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Sounder » Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:59 am

Posturing for war has always been profitable for a certain class of people.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Simulist » Mon Jan 16, 2012 1:26 pm

AlicetheKurious wrote:I'm not sure what to make of this: the media (including Right-wing media like the Wall Street Journal and others), have been pushing this line for a few days now, that the US is desperately trying to stop a hot-headed Israel from attacking Iran.

This does not compute: Israel would never, ever attack a heavily-armed Iran at the height of its military ability and willingness to devastate Israel back, even if it had a green light from the US.

What game are they playing?

Is it a "game" or is this just "performance art"?

Barack Obama, the peacemaker (well, for the Nobel Prize) and warmonger (the rest of the time), is in an election year.

It isn't that actual votes really count that much, but he does need some help shoring up the fiction of democracy in America these days -- so when he wins the general election, it will help if he hasn't entirely lost the support of his base. Since the front-man for the military-industrial complex can't really afford to be an honest peacemaker, it's at least nice if he can be seen as a reluctant warmonger during an election year by standing up to "hot-headed Israel."

If Israel has been assured that no real harm will come to it during its latest geo-performance, then why not help the MIC keep one of the better pitchmen it's had in years?
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby AlicetheKurious » Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:38 pm

It's just that if Israel is indeed planning to attack anyone, it won't be Iran, for the reasons I mentioned earlier. It sure as hell won't be Lebanon, not with Hizbullah's military capabilities reportedly much higher than they were even in 2006. Nor will it be Syria, with Russia sending in its big guns and battleships to defend it, as well as supplying Syria's own military with very sophisticated missiles.

Israel, beneath all the smoke and mirrors, is a hyped up bully that only goes after low-lying fruit. Right now, with our military in a big mess and the country mired in chaos with no credible or legitimate leadership, that's Egypt. Egypt has the kind of resources Israel can only dream of, though the Mubarak treasonous regime (and its remnants still in power) has made sure none of them were used to benefit the people or build up the country's defenses.

In a few months, who knows? If the revolution succeeds, Egypt will no longer be easy prey, on the contrary. It is logical that Israel, being what it is, would strike before that happens, and grab whatever it can, especially the Sinai, which it's already invaded and occupied twice before. That would be totally in character.

I fervently, with all my heart, hope I'm wrong about this.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby eyeno » Mon Jan 16, 2012 8:41 pm

What game are they playing? It feels like a diversionary tactic, as Israel receives an unprecedented amount of highly advanced weaponry from the US.



Some of the racheting up of the noise could be to drown out the Indefinite Detention and Enemy Expatriation Act legislation. Just a thought.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Peachtree Pam » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:08 am

http://www.blacklistednews.com/Iran_mak ... 8/Y/M.html

Iran makes arrests in scientist assassination

January 16, 2012


Source: Ria Novosti

Iran has arrested several people in the killing of a nuclear scientist last week that Tehran blames on Israel and the United States, parliamentary speaker Ali Larijani told state Al-Alam TV, Tehran Times daily said on Monday.

"We have discovered some clues and some arrests have been made," Larijani told the Arabic-language broadcaster.

Mostafa Ahmadi Roshan, a deputy director of Iran’s largest uranium enrichment plant, died in a car bomb explosion in Tehran last week. Local police sources said a passing motorcyclist attached a magnetic mine to the car Roshan was riding in.

Larijani did not give any further details on the arrests but vowed his country would avenge the death using "non-terrorist" tactics.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has accused the U.S. and Israeli intelligence services of killing of the scientist.
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Nordic » Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:33 am

Okay, here's something creepy as hell.

Someone posted this video. I don't remember who. Hell, it could have been someone here. I honestly don't remember.

Anyway, I put it on Facebook. I think I meant to post it here and didn't. But tonight, just now, I was going to do just that.

Well guess what? Youtube removed it. They fucking removed it. I get a 404. No excuses, no reasons, just a 404.

I found another place where you can watch it. Check it out:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=435_1326 ... comments=1

FUCKING YOUTUBE!
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Re: Coming Soon - War with Iran?

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Tue Jan 17, 2012 11:13 am

Nordic wrote:Okay, here's something creepy as hell.

Someone posted this video. I don't remember who. Hell, it could have been someone here. I honestly don't remember.

Anyway, I put it on Facebook. I think I meant to post it here and didn't. But tonight, just now, I was going to do just that.

Well guess what? Youtube removed it. They fucking removed it. I get a 404. No excuses, no reasons, just a 404.

I found another place where you can watch it. Check it out:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=435_1326 ... comments=1

FUCKING YOUTUBE!


Wow, those Iranians look almost like ... you know ... actual people!

Go figure.

Here it is, btw...

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