Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby Hunter » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:17 pm

barracuda wrote:I thought the authorities had found his wallet and ID in San Diego near the scene of the attempted boat-stealing.

AP source: Dorner's license found in burned cabin


BIG BEAR LAKE, Calif. (AP) — ...He never emerged from the ruins and hours later a charred body was found in the basement of the burned cabin along with a wallet and personal items, including a California driver's license with the name Christopher Dorner, an official briefed on the investigation told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because of the ongoing investigation.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby daedelus » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:35 pm

I don't know what they're making drivers licenses and passports out of these days, but if I was going to find myself in a fire-y situation I'd want a suit made of that stuff...
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby Gnomad » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:37 pm

FourthBase wrote:While I still don't yet see what is disturbing-in-a-Rig-Int-sense about deliberately torching the cabin as a method for this particular circumstance (provided the circumstance was really as it was reported), that doesn't mean I don't see how the big picture is disturbing in other senses. Example, the take on it all from Jacobin:

http://jacobinmag.com/2013/02/the-chris ... r-complex/


Just wanted to comment on this deliberate burning...

In more civilized countries (like here) cops are not allowed to use deadly force except as the very last resort. And they very rarely do. They are not even allowed to shoot someone with a gun unless they are directly under threat (or someone else is), even in a siege situation. Nor do they employ snipers unless it is to save a life that is immediately in danger. Nor are they allowed to shoot someone in the back, if they are fleeing.

That is how it should be. There was one case where a drunk guard and gun collector barricaded himself in his home, shot over hundred rounds at police cars and nearby buildings, cops patiently waited it out with bulletproof gear and riot shields, and when the guy eventually came out with weapons in hand, they shot him in the legs and arm. The legs, dammit. Not the head.

Lethal force is last recourse only, and what you have over there is something very different. Vigilante justice by the cops.
Over here, burning a building with someone inside would net every cop surrounding the place some murder charges. And rightly so.
I mean, they could have easily just sat back and waited, for two weeks if need be. No need to kill anyone, except for revenge.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby dqueue » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:39 pm

Gnomad wrote:Lethal force is last recourse only, and what you have over there is something very different. Vigilante justice by the cops.
Over here, burning a building with someone inside would net every cop surrounding the place some murder charges. And rightly so.
I mean, they could have easily just sat back and waited, for two weeks if need be. No need to kill anyone, except for revenge.

Revenge, and silence.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby Gnomad » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:47 pm

Definitely silence, of course.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby FourthBase » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:47 pm

Gnomad wrote:
FourthBase wrote:While I still don't yet see what is disturbing-in-a-Rig-Int-sense about deliberately torching the cabin as a method for this particular circumstance (provided the circumstance was really as it was reported), that doesn't mean I don't see how the big picture is disturbing in other senses. Example, the take on it all from Jacobin:

http://jacobinmag.com/2013/02/the-chris ... r-complex/


Just wanted to comment on this deliberate burning...

In more civilized countries (like here) cops are not allowed to use deadly force except as the very last resort. And they very rarely do. They are not even allowed to shoot someone with a gun unless they are directly under threat (or someone else is), even in a siege situation. Nor do they employ snipers unless it is to save a life that is immediately in danger. Nor are they allowed to shoot someone in the back, if they are fleeing.

That is how it should be. There was one case where a drunk guard and gun collector barricaded himself in his home, shot over hundred rounds at police cars and nearby buildings, cops patiently waited it out with bulletproof gear and riot shields, and when the guy eventually came out with weapons in hand, they shot him in the legs and arm. The legs, dammit. Not the head.

Lethal force is last recourse only, and what you have over there is something very different. Vigilante justice by the cops.
Over here, burning a building with someone inside would net every cop surrounding the place some murder charges. And rightly so.
I mean, they could have easily just sat back and waited, for two weeks if need be. No need to kill anyone, except for revenge.


Good points. Except that this dude wasn't merely trapped in a standoff. He was a one-man army who we can only assume could have found a way to escape if given enough time, and then been free to execute more cops and their family members as he clearly stated was his objective-at-all-costs in the manifesto. (Edit: Sub-objective, since his primary objective was name-clearing and full disclosure.)
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby Gnomad » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:53 pm

Escape from a surrounded cabin?
Mm, yeah.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby FourthBase » Wed Feb 13, 2013 3:56 pm

Gnomad wrote:Escape from a surrounded cabin?
Mm, yeah.


Depends on how well-surrounded, and how badass Choco-Rambo really was beyond mere boasting.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby barracuda » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:00 pm

Maybe he was a one-man army, but he was a one-man army who couldn't drive very good in snow, couldn't hide very well, couldn't keep his hostages from escaping, couldn't pilot a boat, dropped his ID at the scene of two of his crimes, and bought scuba gear to go into the mountains.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:09 pm

FEBRUARY 13, 2013

The State of the Union Amidst the Ashes of Extrajudicial Death
The Execution of Christopher Dorner
by GEORGE CICCARIELLO-MAHER and MIKE KING
If the murder of Oscar Grant on an Oakland transit platform marked the dawn of the Obama era, the cold-blooded murder of former Naval reservist and Los Angeles Police officer Christopher Dorner might just mark the end of whatever optimistic hope people can muster in his administration. Whether an innocent young man just trying to get home, shot in the back after being racially profiled and slurred, or a man driven to his breaking point after being fired from a similar police force that operates according to its own warped morality and overarching objectives, the state of the union is a powder keg whose wick has gotten shorter due to decades of looking the other way.

Just minutes before Barack Obama began his state of the union address, San Bernardino County Sheriffs, knowing full well what they were doing, burned Christopher Dorner to death. From police brutality and racism to political unaccountability, from lack of economic opportunities to the extrajudicial murder of anyone deemed an enemy of the state, Dorner’s life and death offers us a much clearer picture of the state of this union than last night’s speech or media commentary.

In the years between the murder of Oscar Grant and Dorner’s last stand, March of 2009 to be specific, we were among those observing the case of Lovelle Mixon in Oakland, a parolee who decided he was not going to return to prison, opening fire on police at a traffic stop, killing two. Police went in to execute Mixon, not expecting that he would be holding an SKS. Two more cops died as a result. The logic of Dorner’s desperation, and the chain of events that led to his ultimate death, parallels Mixon’s; proud men without hope, cornered, deciding to go out fighting.

Neither man was a self-understood revolutionary and it would be inaccurate (or perhaps too accurate a reflection of the dearth of revolutionary activity in contemporary society) to try and declare otherwise. However, the material conditions that produced Dorner, as with Mixon, are not uncommon. The meaning and the effects of their actions speak volumes about the depth of racialization, criminalization and hopelessness in Obama’s supposed “post-racial” America.

LAPD Endgame: Street Justice on a Snow-Capped Mountain

The scene could not be more surreal: the remains of a cabin south of Big Bear still smoldering, the President delivered his State of the Union Address. To be fair, they had yet to confirm that the person they were incinerating in a cabin near Big Bear actually was Dorner. Earlier in the day, San Bernardino County Sheriffs received a call reporting a stolen vehicle driven by someone matching a description of Dorner. If the experience of the past five days is any indication, this narrowed it down to Black men, Asian women, and skinny white men. The $1 million dollar reward offered for information leading to Dorner’s capture or death, also offered a measurable rubric for the value of the lives of police officers, as traditionally rewards in homicide cases are closer to $20,000.

In the gathering of hurried interviews some interesting truths from the public made it into the TV news. An MSNBC reporter asked a witness: “Where you worried when you learned that Christopher Dorner was so close to your house?” But the witness responded “Actually, I was just afraid of the cops.” Given the unrestrained violence unleashed in recent days by the LAPD, this sentiment is perhaps unsurprising, but demonstrating a degree of hubris matched only by an utter absence of ironic intent, LAPD chief Charlie Beck said, evidently with a straight face, “To be targeted because of what you are… that is absolutely terrifying.” To which many nationwide responded with an audible guffaw: welcome to the club.

An interview with the man who was allegedly carjacked by Dorner said that, while police had told the man not to tell the whole story, he reported that Dorner had simply said “I don’t want to hurt, take your dog and go.” When sheriff’s deputies found the vehicle yesterday, the driver allegedly retreated into a cabin, at one point re-emerging amid the smoke of a diversionary device to exchange more than 100 rounds of fire with deputies. Two police were injured, with one later dying. Police quickly established a large perimeter, closing highways around Seven Oaks, south of Big Bear up to twenty miles away.

Establishing the perimeter also seemed to mean keeping the media at an arm’s length. While press helicopters had been providing live shots of the cabin in which Dorner was allegedly holed-up, the SBSD quickly requested that media withdraw to roadblocks miles away and that news choppers cease to transmit live video for fear of providing strategic information to Dorner himself. The San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department requested that media outlets and individuals cease and desist from even tweeting about the manhunt and shootout.

Even more astonishing than the request was the immediate compliance: press outlets abruptly ceased to tweet about the developing story, and duly retreating to the roadblocks, abandoned their task of reporting the news and waited for it to be fed to them. To paraphrase but one of many incredulous observers, we speak of press blackouts in China, but all the police had to do here was ask nicely and the press complied without batting an eyelash.

With a voluntary media blackout in effect, the Twittersphere, punctuated with a plethora of indignant and sharply worded refusals to comply with the police, became one of the only sources of developing news. What we know about what happened thereafter owes almost entirely to those who scoured the web for scanner feeds from the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department and intently followed the story these feeds told.

“The Burn Plan”

Shortly after 4pm Pacific Standard Time, the cabin was engulfed in flames, with CNN helicopters broadcasting plumes of black smoke from a distance of five miles. A single gunshot is reported from within the house. A narrative quickly emerged among the mainstream media, which we should recall was conspicuously absent from the scene, that police agencies had only deployed tear gas, and that perhaps Dorner himself had set the fire. Soon, what seems to be a cache of ammunition is exploding sporadically.

But for those of us listening to the San Bernardino Sheriff’s Department radio frequency, there was little question what had occurred. Nearly a half hour prior, officers had referred to “going ahead with the plan with the burner,” with another adding that the plan was to “back the Bear down and deploy the burner through the turret.” (Live audio during the preceding shootout seems to confirm this intention). Soon, the message was straightforward and expected: “Seven burners have deployed and we have a fire.” No surprised tones, no suggestion that the fire be extinguished.

In fact, there was the exact opposite: a female voice on the scanner repeatedly asks if the fire crews should be allowed to approach, and is told that it’s not time yet, that we need to wait until all four corners are engulfed, then that we need to wait until the roof collapses. At one particularly repulsive point, those on the scene realize that the house has a basement, and an authoritative male voice indicates that the fire crew would not be called until the fire had “burned through the basement.” They were going to let him die.

References to the 1993 massacre at Waco, Texas, the murderous 1985 bombing of the MOVE Organization in Philadelphia were immediate, and will serve as opposing frames for Dorner’s death in the days and weeks to come.

A murder? An assassination? A lynching? An execution.

State of the Union: Flammable

This is a day of a million possible metaphors, but central among these should be the image of the burning house. In an effort to distinguish what he called the “house negro” from the “field negro,” Malcolm X had once observed that the two responded differently when the master’s house caught fire: “But that field negro, remember, they were in the majority, and they hated their master. When the house caught on fire, he didn’t try to put it out, that field negro prayed for a wind.” While the metaphor may seem a strange one, given the fiery death of a man some have compared to a runaway slave. But as many Americans choose to gaze, mesmerized, at the glowing embers of the Dorner saga rather than watching the State of the Union, it’s worth wondering: whose house is really on fire? And who is praying for wind?

The eclipsing of the State of the Union, with some networks airing a split screen of the President’s speech alongside images from Southern California, or omitting pre- and post- speech coverage to report on Dorner’s likely death (a speech given in the context of ongoing war and occupation, unending recession and social crisis and a heated debate about, well, gun control) speaks volumes about our society, the conditions which produced Dorner and has helped produced a surge in mass killings generally. Persistent racist policies couched in the language of security, and failed imperial ventures with war tactics re-imported into American policing, are routinely covered over by the trite conflicts of celebrities, whether they be Kardashians or Congressmen.

Dorner was not just a product of a racist police department, he also no doubt adored his ‘fifteen minutes,’ stealing time from the President he nevertheless supported during the biggest planned speech of the year. Although Dorner’s actions were not driven by a radical consciousness, they are ‘as American as cherry pie’ in an apolitical vacuum that (at least on the surface) resembles Oliver Stone’s Natural Born Killers far more than the political contexts of the 1960s.

As Obama was taking to the lectern, police agencies were insisting that they had not set the fire that killed Christopher Dorner, and the compliant media were parroting this clearly implausible message. As members of Congress stood and sat on cue to rapturously applaud the Commander-in-Chief, more than 14,000 people have liked just one of the Facebook pages in support of Dorner, some because they know what racist policing is like, some because ours is a time of resisting injustice by any means, and some simply for the joy of backing an outlaw to the grisly end.

Dorner was not a radical, but his short war was not simply the story of broken man or of individualistic vengeance. The issues of brutality and racism perpetually covered up by a corrupt police department created the insurgent Dorner and resonated with many people who endure the reality of urban policing on a daily basis. The sympathy and the support Dorner received is a clear indicator of the very real and deep structural inequalities that helped forge the path of Dorner’s life and his fiery death. The great radical historian Mike Davis concluded a recent article on Dorner with a peculiar question: “Does anyone cheer Dorner?” What is peculiar is that, for better or worse, there’s no denying that the answer is “yes.”

There’s no telling what sort of a fire they could start tomorrow.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby Canadian_watcher » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:10 pm

fourthbase, are you quite young, then? I'm not being rude, I am asking because I wonder sometimes about the 'new normal' that I, myself, cannot necessarily feel much less fully operate in.

The very notion that it's okay for cops to burn down a house because a criminal is in it is just.. well.. it ain't the old normal, I'll tell you that.

Wombat - thanks for letting me know no one died in that truck. I'm thankful that that is the case, but I have to say I'm also amazed. How is that possible?? (rhetorical q, of course)
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Postby IanEye » Wed Feb 13, 2013 4:57 pm

In 1985, [MOVE] made national news when police dropped a bomb on the Osage house from a helicopter in an attempt to end an armed standoff. The explosion ignited a fire in which 11 people died, including five children and the group's leader, John Africa. Only two occupants survived, Ramona, an adult and Birdie, a child. In addition, 65 homes were destroyed as the entire block burned.
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby 82_28 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:01 pm

Copycat idiot?

FERNDALE Wash. -- The search is on for convicted puppy mill owner Kenneth Cassell following a suspicious blaze at his home on Wednesday morning.

Firefighters responded to the fire at Cassell’s home, located in the 7100 block of W. 40th St., at around 11 a.m. The fast-moving flames gutted a section of the home before they were extinguished.

The cause of the fire has not been determined; however, Whatcom County deputies said the blaze may have been intentionally set.

There were no reports of injuries, and the homeowner's whereabouts were not immediately clear. The sheriff's SWAT team was on the scene, searching the premise for any signs of Cassell.

Cassell was convicted of three counts of animal cruelty in the second degree after Whatcom Humane Society seized 48 miniature Australian Shepherd dogs from a locked barn behind his home in April 2012.

WHS director Laura Clark said the dogs were living in conditions that can only be described as "squalid and inhumane." She said many of the dogs were filthy, had matted fur and overgrown nails and were covered with feces.

He was sentenced to 10 days in jail and banned from owning an animal ever again, according to the Bellingham Herald.


This is going on up here and is somewhat similar.

http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Fern ... 72501.html
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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:11 pm

barracuda wrote:Maybe he was a one-man army, but he was a one-man army who couldn't drive very good in snow, couldn't hide very well, couldn't keep his hostages from escaping, couldn't pilot a boat, dropped his ID at the scene of two of his crimes, and bought scuba gear to go into the mountains.


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Re: Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

Postby jlaw172364 » Wed Feb 13, 2013 5:35 pm

The government has all kinds of less-than-lethal technologies it could have deployed. Knock-out gas anyone? Thermal imaging to wait for him to fall asleep? Robots with tazers or tranquilizer dart attachments?

Nope.

What we have here appears to be something straight out of the Middle Ages: a good old fashioned burning at the stake.

They could have shot the guy.

Nope. That would have been too quick.

They wanted to make an example out of him.

Fuck with the police, and we'll burn you alive.
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