TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[Harvey]

Nordic, I typically agree with you on just about everything. Here is where we part company a touch. A real dad would have said yeah, no, we ain't doing no shot like that. If you want, let's do the shoot outside with her and I playing ball or something. Like SLAD, I find it disturbing. At like maybe five years earlier it would have been just a dad and his daughter showcasing what a family man he was. The photo was all about trump either "making a deal" or selling his daughter off.

Agreed. The image says she's his property and he doesn't mind using her to message this at his perceived audience to seduce, titillate, adorn and ultimately become part of his 'game.' It says clearly that power is more important to Trump than family.

So don't count on loyalty from him if you vote his way.

[Novem5er]

It's the legs that make it creepy. Yes, girls have legs, but it's how they are accentuated that make them sexualized in this image; and combine that with daddy in the picture and it's mega creepy. Let's not forget how in the 80's, SO many underage models were overtly sexualized in a way that would not be publicly accepted today (which is weird b/c things seem worse today in many other ways).

Strange, I just asked a woman's opinion on the photo and they just shrugged. "What because she has a short skirt? What's the big deal?"

If it were an actual candid moment, unphotographed, then I'd say, too, "what's the big deal?". A dad is not going to treat his daughter like she has the plague because she's getting long legs. To me, it's the fact that this was "staged" for a photograph that makes is creepy; like they posed this way specifically for public consumption. Yuck.

[82_28]

Alright. Another 82_28 anecdote here. . .

Since my ex doesn't read here. Her dad was/is a fairly powerful dude, supposedly. Anyway she posted some photo online somewhere and it was she and her sister in some jacuzzi naked at a fairly youthful but grown age. She said the whole family was at some resort in Colorado. But they were sudsing each other up fully nude in some fancy joint. In fact there were numerous pictures.

Anyway, I was like who the fuck took these pictures?

Oh, my dad.

I said you think that that is normal for a father to photograph his two daughters naked? There was nothing cute about it. It was completely disturbingly sexual. Her dad and brother totally hated me because I don't follow rules I find stupid and exploiting and dystopian.

[Burnt Hill]

I don't know anything about that family 82, but I do know of families that attend a nudist camp nearby,
When you are naked long enough it actually de-sexualizes things.
The families seem healthy and well adjusted.
I was pretty surprised though when I found out a girl that I went to school with and her boyfriend also enjoy the camp.
She seemed so prim and proper.
Prim proper and naked.

[82_28]

I don't know of no family that is "normal" but this was weird. Like 10 years ago I took her out to dinner at Red Lobster (yeah, I know) and she said I've never been out to dinner before. She was cunning. She also robbed me blind and I was with her for years -- all of my meagre savings gone. But whatever.

[Novem5er]

Aye, different families and different cultures have varying degrees of comfort with nudity. There are a lot of topless beaches in Europe, and I assume families would attend them. I think it'd be strange to attend a topless beach with teenage daughters (creepy), but that could entirely be by my puritanical roots as an American.

But there is something weird about family nudity when it occurs in a more private setting. 82_28, in you story, I assume the family was alone in this spa room? That makes it hidden and weird, and I share your revolt. Yuck. But if some Brazillian family went to a topless beach and snapped a photograph with teenage boobies in it . . . weird, still? For me, yes, but maybe not to the world at large. (and never been out to dinner, but went to Colorado spas? . . . seems sheltered in a weird way)

Back to Trump and his Daughter, I think it IS a disturbing photo. It's not because a daughter has her legs draped across her father's lap and is giving him a kiss; it's that she's dressed very much like an adult, but very clearly is still a child, and that the photograph was staged this way with a purpose.

[seemslikeadream]

Trump threatens to 'tell the real story' about Morning Joe 'clowns'

By NICK GASS 08/22/16 07:37 AM EDT
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Donald Trump laced into the hosts of MSNBC's morning show anew on Monday, accusing one of co-hosts of being "neurotic" and a "mess" and both of them as being "two clowns."
"Tried watching low-rated @Morning_Joe this morning, unwatchable! @morningmika is off the wall, a neurotic and not very bright mess!" Trump tweeted Monday, referring specifically to Mika Brzezinski, in response to the first hour and 20 minutes of MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
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Minutes after his initial tweet, Trump offered another personal broadside.
"Some day, when things calm down, I'll tell the real story of @JoeNBC and his very insecure long-time girlfriend, @morningmika. Two clowns!" Trump tweeted, a day after campaign manager Kellyanne Conway insisted that he "doesn't hurl personal insults."
The show offered its usual criticism of the GOP nominee, returning from one commercial break to the tune of "Everything Is Awesome" from "The Lego Movie," as a clip of Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus telling ABC on Sunday that Trump had a "great week" and is "getting into a groove."
"Everything's awesome," Brzezinski said. "Everything's awesome," co-host Joe Scarborough repeated.
Brzezinski offered, "This is the part I don't understand. You just have to look at this as an opportunity, right? You can't pretend this is OK."
Scarborough mocked Trump in response, tweeting, "@HillaryClinton is targeting key swing states today while Trump starts his day obsessed with cable news hosts while channeling Gawker. SAD!"
Trump's tweets come just a day after his new campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, told ABC News that he doesn't attack people personally.
"He doesn’t hurl personal insults,” she said.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/t ... z4I4Bykodt

[Luther Blissett]

Speaking of the underworld...Can anybody really "save" coal at this point?

Alienated and Angry, Coal Miners See Donald Trump as Their Only Choice

POWELLTON, W.Va. — Deep in the belly of an Appalachian mountain, a powerful machine bored into the earth, its whirring teeth clawing out a stream of glistening coal. Men followed inside the Maple Eagle No. 1 mine, their torches cutting through the dank air. One guided the machine with a PlayStation-like controller; others bolted supports in the freshly cut roof.

They were angry. The coal industry that made West Virginia prosperous has been devastated. Every day, it seemed, another mine laid off workers or closed entirely. Friends were forfeiting their cars, homes and futures.

For these men, this season’s presidential campaign boils down to a single choice. “I’m for Trump,” said Dwayne Riston, 27, his face smeared in dust. “Way I see it, if he wins, we might at least stand a chance of surviving.”

Few places in America offer such a simple electoral calculus as the rolling, tree-studded hills of West Virginia.

Even as Donald J. Trump, the Republican presidential nominee, lags badly in crucial swing states and loses his grip on white male voters over all, he remains on solid ground here with his promise to “bring back coal.” The fact that his Democrat opponent, Hillary Clinton, said in March, “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” has helped, too.

But this is not just about economics. West Virginia’s coal country is part of the broader white, working-class vote that has coalesced around a single candidate, Mr. Trump, like never before. His support here stems from a profound, decades-in-the-making sense of political and cultural alienation that has left people feeling distant from their leaders, and even from fellow Americans.

“I kind of feel that people are looking down on us,” said Neil Hanshew, a miner, voicing a common sentiment. “They’re looking at us like we’re a bunch of dumb hillbillies who can’t do anything else.”

...
[money shot]
Mr. Trump and his running mate, Gov. Mike Pence of Indiana, have yet to explain how they will revive the coal industry. Aside from the Obama administration’s tough environmental regulations, the decline of coal is a product of hard economic realities: Natural gas, produced by new fracking technologies, is simply much cheaper.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/world ... &smtyp=cur

If I remember correctly, the guy in the center of the second illustration died before Hedges and Sacco were even done gathering stories in West Virginia.

[Freitag]

It dawned on me that my replies in this thread could be interpreted as unconditional support for Trump, which isn't true. So two things:

• That photo of Trump with his daughter IS disturbing.
• Trump's response to the morning show was petty and embarrassing.

Nevertheless, I think he's the best candidate for President and will do a great job.

[seemslikeadream]

Nevertheless, I think he's the best candidate for President and will do a great job.

Why do you think that?

We can't have racist as President ....do you understand that?

[JackRiddler]

Nevertheless, I think he's the best candidate for President and will do a great job.

Why do you think that?

We can't have racist as President ....do you understand that?

Many racists have been president and there was never a president who did not preside over a racist system.

But you are right, someone who is openly encouraging racism and promising domestic war on all "others" is the worst case scenario.

I think Freitag illustrates how it will work -- most of the supporters will pretend they don't see a thing and deny, deny, deny, no matter how obvious it gets. There's no explaining anything to someone who isn't interested in seeing it.

[seemslikeadream]

yes at this point in time we can not have a racist as President

[Agent Orange Cooper]

[Freitag]

Nevertheless, I think he's the best candidate for President and will do a great job.

Why do you think that?

We can't have racist as President ....do you understand that?

He's not a racist. What has he said that's racist?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Well, here's a problematic quandary: would the lives and wages of the American working class actually be improved by a "racist" administration? Is it really so hard to believe that removing the illegal labor pool from the US economy would have a real world effect on the lives of American citizens? After all, despite right wing mythologizing, the demographic most affected by Mexican immigration is working class black men. "Unskilled natives," in the cruel parlance of labor economics. "Crowding out and substitution effects."

Here's another: are the opinions of the figurehead in the White House for the next four years more important than whether or not we start Cold War II? Which will have the greater effect on seven billion primates who mostly just had the miraculous misfortune to be born here -- Trump making insensitive comments that lead to a climate of racial hostility in the United States (and what a change that would be!) -- or NATO seeing their budget double in four years, TPP getting passed, and a return to Defcon war prep footing?

And yet.

Of course, that entire train of thought absolutely hinges on the untenable assertion that what comes out of Donald Trump's mouth will bear any resemblance to what happens in a Donald Trump administration. He's a narcissist, not a populist - he's a prisoner of debt, not a billionaire - he's a centrist liberal, not a nationalist messiah. Our entire framework for discussing this hinges on altogether Too Much Bullshit.

Trump is every bit as owned by Goldman Sachs as Hillary -- his fucking campaign manager is ex-Goldman, a Harvard man! I'm through the looking glass on the whole "Elites in Terror of Trump" narrative. They've been happy to tolerate him for decades and nothing, but nothing, has changed. It's just reverse psychology at this point, gleeful cognitive dissonance. "OH, NOT TRUMP! NOT HIM, PLEASE NO! LOL"

Because Trump will, of course, pass TPP. He will do whatever he has to do on foreign policy, same as every other game show winner before him. Trump will work with Wall Street to fuck the little guy, because he doesn't know any little guys. Not really his scene.

There is no outsider candidate. The house wins again.