Questioning Consciousness

[coffin_dodger]

awake ----> 3state ----> asleep ----> 3state ----> awake ----> 3state ----> asleep etc

3state, in this instance, is commonly called 'dreamstate'. It is the bridge between awake and asleep, facilitating the transition between two realms of vastly different experience. The opposing counterbalance of senses full and senses void. Dreaming is 3state. We dream as we slip into unconsciousness, then again on the other side as we return to consciousness. It appears that we have dreamed only at the end of sleep-state, due to the nature of sleep-state, where time has no meaning, because there is no consciousness to experience it. Of course, time carries on regardless, because every other part of reality is conforming to the process of 3state, but for the period of our own unconsciousness, it is stilled.

[backtoiam]

then again on the other side as we return to consciousness.

Yes, the wake up stage....

My studies have produced for me that this is a critical stage that in a flash of a moment thoughts culminate into a flash of ephiphany, sometimes. This stage is the learning point from what I understand.

[coffin_dodger]

Backto said:

My studies have produced for me that this is a critical stage that in a flash of a moment thoughts culminate into a flash of ephiphany, sometimes. This stage is the learning point from what I understand.

I'm hesitant to be drawn too far into the depths of 3state, here and now - I could very well confuse the concept within the open-mind, I have to tread very carefully (and uncarefully occasionally, of course) - but suffice to say that 3state contains nothing and everything. It is a 3state of binary opposites and a linking 3state itself. Of course it is! Ha!

Dreamstate is a direct link to 3state because it is 3state.

Intuition (often interpreted as 'knowing') comes directly from the 'everything' binary opposite of nothing - as does Rigor (a fixed, set mind-state with no room for doubt) - itself the binary opposite of intuition .
The staggering, tears-of-joy, stupefying tranquility of stillness and void is experienced through the binary opposite end of 'everything'. To achieve this state of mind has been the mystics path for millenia.

everything ----> 3state ----> nothing ----> 3state ----> everything ----> etc.

These two opposites are bridged by 3state. This is why I like RI so much, it's full of opposites. I can now see that Jeff was channeling his version of 3state experiences through RI and created a forum for ideas from both sides of the opposing ends - thus the deliciously named Rigorous Intuition. Actually, he had little choice, the thought essentially came from 3state.

"As above; so below" may well be the most significant gathering of noises formed from symbols (in which is distilled the idea of reality) so far conceived.

Leonardo da Vinci glimpsed 3state:

“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.”

[jakell]

Backto said:

My studies have produced for me that this is a critical stage that in a flash of a moment thoughts culminate into a flash of ephiphany, sometimes. This stage is the learning point from what I understand.

I'm hesitant to be drawn too far into the depths of 3state, here and now - I could very well confuse the concept within the open-mind, I have to tread very carefully (and uncarefully occasionally, of course) - but suffice to say that 3state contains nothing and everything. It is a 3state of binary opposites and a linking 3state itself. Of course it is! Ha!

Dreamstate is a direct link to 3state because it is 3state.

Intuition (often interpreted as 'knowing') comes directly from the 'everything' binary opposite of nothing - as does Rigor (a fixed, set mind-state with no room for doubt) - itself the binary opposite of intuition .
The staggering, tears-of-joy, stupefying tranquility of stillness and void is experienced through the binary opposite end of 'everything'. To achieve this state of mind has been the mystics path for millenia.

everything ----> 3state ----> nothing ----> 3state ----> everything ----> etc.

These two opposites are bridged by 3state. This is why I like RI so much, it's full of opposites. I can now see that Jeff was channeling his version of 3state experiences through RI and created a forum for ideas from both sides of the opposing ends - thus the deliciously named Rigorous Intuition. Actually, he had little choice, the thought essentially came from 3state.

"As above; so below" may well be the most significant gathering of noises formed from symbols (in which is distilled the idea of reality) so far conceived.

Leonardo da Vinci glimpsed 3state:

“There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.”

Really? I would describe rigour as a method of thinking, of approach, not a fixed state of mind.
That's why our spelling provides a useful distinction (ie not as in rigor mortis).

Your description here is pretty negative, like it's something to be avoided.

[Pele'sDaughter]

I can relate my experience of lucid dreaming and maybe shed some light on it. Has anyone else ever had one?

It started when I was voraciously reading trying to unravel the nature of my reality and ran across something that literally lit me up, and I literally felt a shift of some sort. I took this to mean that I had somehow left a wake-up call for myself, but it was probably just that I'd reached some tipping point where my deeper awareness kicked in. When that happened I decided to just take the simple route and just ask. One night as I lay in bed I asked my deeper awareness/soul/spirit/inner self for these answers and then fell asleep. During my sleep I became aware that I was dreaming and that there were two of me in it. One me was engaged in a passionate discussion of some sort with a professor type in a room that reminded me of the lecture hall in The Paper Chase. I could only see the back of me, and I was watching from a darkened room or closet. The scenes in this dream kept changing and "me" was being instructed by various entities and everything I was being taught made perfect sense. Upon awakening the next morning I remembered this dream but not much of what was actually said but noticed that I now had some insights I had not had before. There was another dream the next night and the night after that. I became so exhausted I asked for these to stop and they did. My inner awareness, however, continued and grew and many changes took place in me and my thinking. I started rattling on about what I had learned and trying to find the right metaphors about stepping outside one's ego and becoming an impartial observer and how this opened up the connection to this wisdom. I wanted everyone to experience this integration with the universe and "source". Someone recognized some of what I was saying and told me to read Ruiz's The Four Agreements. Well, I'll be damned, there were the words I was looking for and the work was already done for me. I realized I'd not had some unique revelation at all but had simply become aware of what had always been and had let it come up into my conscious mind and use it to override my domestication programming. I was lit up again while reading it and now understand this as a kundalini experience. My life has not been the same since and in a good way.

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jakell said:

Your description here is pretty negative, like it's something to be avoided.

Slightly Awkward Moment. Look.. (how can I put it?)... it's perfectly 3state that some minds are open and some are shut. Opposing opposites to maintain equilibrium. This is a reality in which balance can be nothing but maintained. However, by allowing myself to be more open to my intuitive side - (yes, I have a rigor side as well), I found that my state of mind has changed dramatically, resulting in new ideas and feelings. This will possibly sound crass, but I'm luckier. On one scale, my own mind has passed through 3state from one state to another. I like the feeling, so I looked at 3state more and more. The more I see, the better and more positive I feel. The intuition opposing side delivered this to me, but the opposing rigor side can deliver for the rigorous. It's for everyone. It's balanced.

Incidentally, 3state is the reason we have fractions and decimal places. i.e. non binary. Cool. Now I need to work out a way to explain it.

[jakell]

....as does Rigor (a fixed, set mind-state with no room for doubt) - itself the binary opposite of intuition....

Really? I would describe rigour as a method of thinking, of approach, not a fixed state of mind.
That's why our spelling provides a useful distinction (ie not as in rigor mortis).

Your description here is pretty negative, like it's something to be avoided.

Slightly Awkward Moment. Look.. (how can I put it?)... it's perfectly 3state that some minds are open and some are shut. Opposing opposites to maintain equilibrium. This is a reality in which balance can be nothing but maintained. However, by allowing myself to be more open to my intuitive side - (yes, I have a rigor side as well), I found that my state of mind has changed dramatically, resulting in new ideas and feelings. This will possibly sound crass, but I'm luckier. On one scale, my own mind has passed through 3state from one state to another. I like the feeling, so I looked at 3state more and more. The more I see, the better and more positive I feel. The intuition opposing side delivered this to me, but the opposing rigor side can deliver for the rigorous. It's for everyone. It's balanced.

Incidentally, 3state is the reason we have fractions and decimal places. i.e. non binary. Cool. Now I need to work out a way to explain it.

Sorry to snip the early stages here, but I have kept the headers in.

Your description of rigour does seem to be negative (ie, it sounds like dogma), do you see any positive aspects to it?
This fits in with stuff that was said on the 'Is Rigor compatible with Intuition?' thread.

I see positive aspects, otherwise one could ask is it a useful component of this board's title. Ironically, you will have to use rigour (not rigor) to give your 3state model form (a way to explain it), so there's an application.

[coffin_dodger]

Slim said:

Howevers, A spontaneous uncontrolled excessive release of DMT in highly stressful situations , such as death for example , and as they say, the possibilities are endlesss

Good news, Slim, my friend:

Life ----> 3state ----> Death ----> 3state ----> Life ----> 3state ----> Death ----> etc

[coffin_dodger]

jakell said:

I see positive aspects, otherwise one could ask is it a useful component of this board's title. Ironically, you will have to use rigour (not rigor) to give your 3state model form (a way to explain it), so there's an application.

Of course it's a useful component, utterly indispensible in fact - because without it the intuitive opposing side would not exist!

Scepticism does not exist without opposing belief. Belief does not exist without opposing scepticism.

[jakell]

Really? I would describe rigour as a method of thinking, of approach, not a fixed state of mind.
That's why our spelling provides a useful distinction (ie not as in rigor mortis).

Your description here is pretty negative, like it's something to be avoided.

Of course it's a useful component, utterly indispensible in fact - because without it the intuitive opposing side would not exist!

Scepticism does not exist without opposing belief. Belief does not exist without opposing scepticism.

Even though they are equally valuable, I would say that intuition can exist without rigour and this can be imagined by those who accept that we evolved from an animal state, ie rigour is the late-comer.

Fitting in with the thread title I would say that rigour is more in line with our conscious state, as it takes intention and effort, and that intuition is in line with our unconscious processes. the two working together to provide communicable ideas

[coffin_dodger]

I realized I'd not had some unique revelation at all but had simply become aware of what had always been and had let it come up into my conscious mind and use it to override my domestication programming.

Were any of the 'truths' delivered self-critical? i.e. did you see/understand how you had hurt peoples' feelings and how to be more mindful of your words and actions in the future? I ask because I experience that often. It has changed me enormously.

[coffin_dodger]

jakell said:

Fitting in with the thread title I would say that rigour is more in line with our conscious state, as it takes intention and effort, and that intuition is in line with our unconscious processes. the two working together to provide communicable ideas

We all see things differently. However, I see the statement above as opposites balanced and bridged by 3state.

[Pele'sDaughter]

Were any of the 'truths' delivered self-critical? i.e. did you see/understand how you had hurt peoples' feelings and how to be more mindful of your words and actions in the future? I ask because I experience that often. It has changed me enormously.

Absolutely. It all came together when I read The Four Agreements. What my awakening and shedding my programming allowed me to do was actually change my behavior and forgive myself. That vicious circular thinking and mental argument simply vanished from my head. There was no longer any conflict between my inner and outer selves. I became one with my integrity.

1. Be Impeccable with your Word: Speak with integrity. Say only what you mean. Avoid using the Word to speak against yourself or to gossip about others. Use the power of your Word in the direction of truth and love.

2. Don’t Take Anything Personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream. When you are immune to the opinions and actions of others, you won’t be the victim of needless suffering.

3. Don’t Make Assumptions
Find the courage to ask questions and to express what you really want. Communicate with others as clearly as you can to avoid misunderstandings, sadness and drama. With just this one agreement, you can completely transform your life.

4. Always Do Your Best
Your best is going to change from moment to moment; it will be different when you are healthy as opposed to sick. Under any circumstance, simply do your best, and you will avoid self-judgment, self-abuse, and regret.

[jakell]

Of course it's a useful component, utterly indispensible in fact - because without it the intuitive opposing side would not exist!

Scepticism does not exist without opposing belief. Belief does not exist without opposing scepticism.

Even though they are equally valuable, I would say that intuition can exist without rigour and this can be imagined by those who accept that we evolved from an animal state, ie rigour is the late-comer.

Fitting in with the thread title I would say that rigour is more in line with our conscious state, as it takes intention and effort, and that intuition is in line with our unconscious processes. the two working together to provide communicable ideas

We all see things differently. However, I see the statement above as opposites balanced and bridged by 3state.

The trouble with defining an equilibrium is that, not being dynamic, it doesn't do much, so if you are edging towards a theory of consciousness with 3state, it would be hard finding something to grasp and describe. It seems you are describing a passive meditative state, ie, an ideal.

I still don't know whether you agree with me that the unconscious state preceded the conscious one in our evolution. If this is the case then there certainly would have been a time when there was no (or less) equilibrium and possibly a useful way of looking at consciousness, ie, the development of it.

[DrEvil]

Dr Evil:

You also fail to take into account dark matter and dark energy which together make up the vast majority of our universe. It's something like 95%, and we have little to no idea what it really is.

Pretty sure there's no such thing as "balance" between matter and anti-matter.

If you shake hands with your anti-matter counterpart you will both explode and wipe out the planet

Not sure why you think carbon is the "central and pivotal element of our universe". The most common element is hydrogen, followed by helium and oxygen. Carbon is number six, good for making talking meat-sacks and burning for fuel, but there's nothing "special" about it.

Most cosmologists agree that what appears to be redshift quantization is really just other stuff appearing to be quantization.

Thank you, good Dr, for illustrating so perfectly how the parroting by rote of scripture from any class of high priest is so unengaging.

edited to add: ^^ sorry, that comment is snidey and uncalled for. I wake up grumpy sometimes.

No worries, I'm not exactly innocent on the grumpy and snide part myself

But one thing - those things you quoted me saying are all supported by observations. They're not just some wild theories cooked up by the scientariat (OK, I'm not sure if you would wipe out the entire planet if you shake hands with your anti-matter counterpart, but a good chunk of it at least).