Jani's at the mercy of her mind

[Nordic]

I have to say that the most disturbed person in this saga seems to be the father.

He is now using his daughter's diagnosis (made by himself) as an excuse for his own behavior.

Then he can blame everything on her.

Yes, that part about the kid's diet? Yeah, no shit sherlock! If you've ever had a kid, one thing you realize pretty quick once they hit a certain age is that you cannot make them eat if they don't want to. You just can't.

He just doesn't want to admit that his child is "a brat" meaning that she's stronger than he is.

The language he uses about wanting to "break" her is telling.

You don't "break" children. You break horses and dogs, but you don't "break" children unless you subject them to absolutely horrific abuse, in which case you irreversibly destroy their minds and their psyches. Yeah, completely destroy your kid, you've succeeded in "breaking them". Nice job.

Whether the girl is mentally ill or not is pretty much beside the point here. The girl needs to be removed from that father's "care". He admits to hitting her as hard as he can, to spending years trying to "break" her, to literally starving her because she won't eat what she doesn't want to eat, it's really sick.

And what's really awful is how many people get on his blog and praise him.

This girl is obviously stronger than her father and that is driving the father mad.

And he's committing a weird form of literary suicide, like a serial killer leaving clues, a man who wants to be caught, the whole "kill me before I kill again" thing, at least subconsciously this is what he's doing.

He's admitting to all kinds of truly terrible behavior, writing it down in this daily confessional, and instead of someone stepping in and taking his daughter away from him, which is what he really wants, he's getting praised.

[Penguin]

You don't "break" children. You break horses and dogs, but you don't "break" children ...

Actually, no, you only do that if you are a poor handler of animals, and want an animal that obeys you out of fear.
Fear works crappily for building trust, no matter what mammal you are dealing with.

[agitprop]

I remember my mom 40 years ago, talking about how difficult raising my brother, because she didn't want to "break him". That was when breaking a kid was socially acceptable, but she had the moxie, to ignore conventional wisdom, in that regard. I'm also alarmed at the father's use of the term.

Nordic, What would you prescribe for Jani?

[agitprop]

You don't "break" children. You break horses and dogs, but you don't "break" children ...

Actually, no, you only do that if you are a poor handler of animals, and want an animal that obeys you out of fear.
Fear works crappily for building trust, no matter what mammal you are dealing with.

Exactly. You NEVER want to break a child's spirit, nor an animal's.

[justdrew]

... but just something not right about the story.

that's another aspect that I've not gone into. the things that just don't add up...

for instance in the latest post at the dad's blog... He's somehow able to get her to take thorazine and god knows whatever else she's on at the moment, but apparently has never thought to include a vitamin or two.

She just recently got out of the hospital (did she sleep while in the hospital? I bet she did) and supposedly about five days later he tries to kill himself. Now right away he's back home and spending every other evening alone with her again? Who discovered his suicide attempt? Janni? Or did he do it at a time just before he expected his wife to come over from the other apartment? and why is he apparently not held for mental health observation (as I think is standard procedure)?

There was a situation reported recently in which the apartment was "full of social workers" and Janni "ran off" and the mom had to be told to run after her, because she was holding the baby, it apparently didn't occur to dad to run after, and it didn't occur to mom to give dad the baby. strange.

I would guess if they are being visited by more than two social workers the machinery for loss of custody is rolling and this blog and the media story are both about him trying to build a situation that might make it politically impossible for him to loose custody.

chiggerbit, please don't let MacCruiskeen's responses drive you from this story, I'm (reasonably ) sure he doesn't mean to piss you off so... he's just a bit frustrated. (of course I'm just putting words in his mouth there, but please folks, let's lower the flame ratio here)

[agitprop]

I can't find his blog, just quotes from it. Can someone tell me what it's called without linking to it?

[justdrew]

is there a good way we could inject our analysis into his cognition?

Should we raid his comments? I'm thinking not, but? Maybe one edited down summation. And since they've made it public, I don't see why unsolicited advice couldn't be sent to the local office of child protective services, which sounds like it's already aware of the situation to some extent.

God help him if he draws the 4chaner's attention.

[agitprop]

He's admitting to all kinds of truly terrible behavior, writing it down in this daily confessional, and instead of someone stepping in and taking his daughter away from him, which is what he really wants, he's getting praised.

Did he say he hit her as hard as he could? I admit...weird, not your typical abuser modus operandi , but definitely strange.

[justdrew]

I can't find his blog, just quotes from it. Can someone tell me what it's called without linking to it?

www januaryfirst org

[justdrew]

He's admitting to all kinds of truly terrible behavior, writing it down in this daily confessional, and instead of someone stepping in and taking his daughter away from him, which is what he really wants, he's getting praised.

Did he say he hit her as hard as he could? I admit...weird, not your typical abuser modus operandi , but definitely strange.

sure did, in those words. It almost made me think he wanted to loose custody. but now I'm leaning the other way, that this is a bid to resist the loss.

[lightningBugout]

My niece @ Jani's age would eat only, well, pretty much exactly the same list of foods. They had to be white. She is a few years older now and is basically the same way now.

It would be comical to read his totalizing use of "psychosis" to explain every single last facet of this child's existence if it were not so murderous.

[MacCruiskeen]

Look, agitprop, please take your thoughts about alleged gender-differences elsewhere. It's not what this thread is about, nor is it about you. Start a new thread about your favoured topic if you want. You are distorting this one (I don't want to quote your earliest contributions yet again) and throwing it off-topic. So please take it elsewhere.

Back on-topic.

[MacCruiskeen]

is there a good way we could inject our analysis into his cognition?

Should we raid his comments? I'm thinking not, but? Maybe one edited down summation.

I've resisted doing so, so far, with difficulty, but I'm not going to resist it much longer. Could we maybe somehow come up with a collective statement (via PMs?)

The thing is: it has to be strong and unambiguous. The very few efforts at carefully tactful criticism in his comments-box have been shot down in flames by Michael Schofield, who is a raging and very arrogant narcissist.

And all the other comments there are confirming him in his murderous madness. People are literally weeping at the moving Spectacle of his agonised dignity and courage, as if he were Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice. (TV and the movies have so much to answer for.)

And since they've made it public, I don't see why unsolicited advice couldn't be sent to the local office of child protective services, which sounds like it's already aware of the situation to some extent.

Yes, but they're trapped in this "medical model of madness" madness, which is the prevailing and very powerful orthodoxy. It's becoming fragile, though, or that's my impression. Maybe a case as obviously outrageous as this one could put a dent in it.

- But now we're actually getting somewhere. Drew, or LightningBugout, or Penguin, or anyone else: Do any of you feel like formulating a draft of a short, pithy, unapologetic and suitably urgent letter to anyone (or any organisation or institution) that might be able to intervene effectively?

Extracts from Michael Schofield's appalling blog ("break her", etc.), and a link to it, would be a necessity. I'd be happy to comment on that draft or contribute to it, if you feel like PMing me. Or should I write one myself?

[Penguin]

You could write one yourself, incorporate the relevant ideas from all of us, and then post it for comments here first?

I dont feel up to the task now.

[lightningBugout]

You could write one yourself, incorporate the relevant ideas from all of us, and then post it for comments here first?

I dont feel up to the task now.

Ditto. I would be much more valuable in offering feedback than writing something myself. I would say though that trying to keep the tone as cool and common as possible is important.