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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:43 am

elfismiles wrote:... now I'll just go crawl under a rock ...


No need for that. Stand up here with the rest of us where you belong. I meant it when I thanked you, I can understand the conflicted reasoning between wanting badly to understand something versus the fact that its probably just not worth it.

I'm sorry I gave you such a hard time, but if it were you, reading these things about the most important persons in your life, I would trust you to have the same reaction I did.

I'd give it to you and get out of the way.

So, thanks again, and no hard feelings.

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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby kenoma » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:57 am

Et in Arcadia ego wrote:
I want some fucking answers to what's been going on here. My dead and desecrated fiance is on Kid Kenoma's blog, and I'm not getting much fucking support here.


WTF????
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:02 am

kenoma wrote:
Et in Arcadia ego wrote:
I want some fucking answers to what's been going on here. My dead and desecrated fiance is on Kid Kenoma's blog, and I'm not getting much fucking support here.


WTF????


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http://kidkenoma.wordpress.com/
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Jeff » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:05 am

Not you, kenoma.

And a general BTW: there's an RI member who goes by "Socrates." He should not be confused with the troll of the same name mentioned in this thread.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Occult Means Hidden » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:10 am

So "they" are using board member handles in other ways to sow distrust - in the same manner as what happened to WbtRex?

Or is that too paranoid?
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby Et in Arcadia ego » Mon Jan 18, 2010 6:18 am

Occult Means Hidden wrote:Or is that too paranoid?


I can explain this better after I have had some rest, but for now, when you engage someone in PM, please make sure you do not say anything you do not want to see used against you; its just good common sense online behavior even if this were not taking place.

Having said that, the targets to date have been confined to a narrow range of RI persona, including(but not limited to) Annie Aronburg, LightningBugOUt, Project Willow, and myself.

I don't want to encourage or spark a flurry of forum paranoia, I just want you to make sure you know who you are talking to, and do not share things that are not necessary. This is a community, and as social animals its our nature to divulge information. Think on a higher level and defeat that, for now, as its something that is being used against the community.

They're smart, but this is the Rigorous Intuition board, stuffed full of the smartest people I've ever known.

You are smarter. Use your good sense and you are immune from this.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby OP ED » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:08 am

They're smart, but this is the Rigorous Intuition board***, stuffed full of the smartest people I've ever known.


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btw, c2w, darlin', this thread is awesome and just absorbed 26 minutes of my life...

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OP ED senses several distinct subsets of "bad guys", though it could easily be a puppet show by a few folk. i.e. couple'a' metatrolls.

[plus us regulars]

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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby compared2what? » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:26 am

That said, since I'm here already, I might as well ask one question that has been bothering me: c2w, I don't doubt your assertion that you've been targeted specifically, but why you? Were you randomly selected? Or did you trip some specific wire? I've never understood all the very confusing brouhaha about TD and ARG and all that, but clearly there are elements there that gave these subjects the (to me, inexplicable) power to suck a lot of people in. As a result, some people involved have been motivated to mount some sort of organized vendetta against Jeff, and eiae, but why you? Is it because you caught on to some shenanigans and said so, and thereby made yourself a target? The reason I'd like to know the answer, is that it will tell me something about what this board is REALLY all about -- what I thought, or an insular, irrelevant (to me) game that some people are playing with each other.

I have a feeling I'm going to regret this, and end up even more confused, but had to ask anyway.


I'm glad you did. No one ever has, directly. My username was associated with that confusing brouhaha by others, not by me. I don't understand it. And I never have. Apart from the ham-handed, "When-the-moon-is-conjunct-with-Saturn" (or whatever) "YOU WILL DIE JEFF WELLS AND/OR MEMBERS OF THE RI FORUM! BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!" stuff, which it's pretty hard to miss, I don't understand a word of it. The literary and philosophical stuff, I mean.

And, you know. I mean this in a non-narcissistic way, but: I don't have any doubts about how first-rate my skills as a literary critic or as an astute and sensitive reader of verbally arcane written works are. They're lower than genius level. And by many miles. But they're still fucking first-rate. I'm in my element as a reader. And I'm not boasting when I say that. I'm just saying it. Because it's the case.

So I'm really pretty sure all that multi-referential and dense prose actually makes no sense. It's like word salad, almost.

And I'm absolutely fucking sure that it's a grotesquely overdetermined and almost willfully blind misreading of her blog. Which I do understand. Because that does make sense. Also, imo, it's the work of a writer of exceptional ability. However, what it unmistakably is not is: A major artwork of any kind. Or a non-artistic endeavor into which an artist was putting her heart and soul. Or, for that matter, even very much more than a casual thought. IOW, it's a personal blog (and not a fucking encrypted gospel of esoteric mystery) that was written by a woman whose artistic vision wasn't realized there. Or anywhere. Sadly. Because you can see from it that she had one, and that furthermore it was aesthetically a lovely and original thing.

In any event. I don't know what that's about. I find it ghoulish. And kind of pornographic. I mean, it's not like the decades of fascination that a strong, attractive woman can easily provoke all over the western world as long as she's dead (effective as of the moment of her death) is anything new. It's part of the basic DNA of Judeo-Christian culture. Having written which, I actually guess I can see why I'd be an object of cathectic interest to someone who cathected that way. As long as I was just words on a screen.

I don't like thinking about it, I'm therefore realizing as I type. It makes me feel...Let's just leave it at "very bad."

But the short answer is that it's meaningless to me. I don't get it. And I don't want any part of it. So I'm now going to return to the policy of not having one. So just in case anyone has any follow-ups, I won't be taking questions. Or desecrating corpses. I mean, same difference. If you ask me.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:28 am

Maybe I'm too paranoid myself, but doesn't this all fit in with Obama's thoughtcrime dude that we have a thread about already?

On the Internet, to me, this shit is unnecessary. Granted, by the looks of things, some people have been targeted? Is this fully true? So thus, just to admit a stupid anecdote, I was convinced back in the day, 2004, that GWB thugs were on their way. I thought I saw them in vans in my "liberal" neighborhood, I envisioned them bloodthirstily at the city limits, with a bead on me. But here is where we are, no? Maybe I'm a dick for saying it, perhaps I am naive, but this is still just the Internet. It's just words expressed deep down in binary code that we pour our souls into -- even deeper down.

I wish I could get a detailed play by play on this. I'm kinda starting to "get it". But yet, I am left more confused.

What has happened to those with these grievances?

Can we get a synopsis? Something to allow the rest of us to understand this planet we exist upon. Sans the hate and sans the "you'll never understand" shit? I wanna know. I am curious. And strangely, this thread scares me.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby compared2what? » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:48 am

OP ED wrote:
They're smart, but this is the Rigorous Intuition board***, stuffed full of the smartest people I've ever known.


indeed.
(always lovely seeing you Arcadia)

***its value should not be underestimated. too many things have been already.

btw, c2w, darlin', this thread is awesome and just absorbed 26 minutes of my life...

[too bad i wasn't here earlier when it was warmer]

OP ED senses several distinct subsets of "bad guys", though it could easily be a puppet show by a few folk. i.e. couple'a' metatrolls.

[plus us regulars]

everyone is a suspect! you are a suspect!


Thanks. But you know what? SonicG was right. I didn't intend to martyr myself that elfismiles and Wombaticus Rex could live and thrive healthily for themselves and others. But that's what I did. I took the vileness and cut my own fucking throat with it. I've done that before, figuratively. As I said. Achilles' heel. Always has been. It's a kind-hearted impulse. But it's a misguided one. I never see it coming.

Anyway. Right now, anyway, I don't think I can come back and hold my head high. Sorry to say. I'm an inadvertent suicide bomber.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby OP ED » Mon Jan 18, 2010 7:52 am

Anyway. Right now, anyway, I don't think I can come back and hold my head high. Sorry to say. I'm an inadvertent suicide bomber.


bah. most of these people have surprisingly short attention spans. they'll have forgotten all of this by the next election cycle.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby 82_28 » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:01 am

compared2what? wrote:
That said, since I'm here already, I might as well ask one question that has been bothering me: c2w, I don't doubt your assertion that you've been targeted specifically, but why you? Were you randomly selected? Or did you trip some specific wire? I've never understood all the very confusing brouhaha about TD and ARG and all that, but clearly there are elements there that gave these subjects the (to me, inexplicable) power to suck a lot of people in. As a result, some people involved have been motivated to mount some sort of organized vendetta against Jeff, and eiae, but why you? Is it because you caught on to some shenanigans and said so, and thereby made yourself a target? The reason I'd like to know the answer, is that it will tell me something about what this board is REALLY all about -- what I thought, or an insular, irrelevant (to me) game that some people are playing with each other.

I have a feeling I'm going to regret this, and end up even more confused, but had to ask anyway.


I'm glad you did. No one ever has, directly. My username was associated with that confusing brouhaha by others, not by me. I don't understand it. And I never have. Apart from the ham-handed, "When-the-moon-is-conjunct-with-Saturn" (or whatever) "YOU WILL DIE JEFF WELLS AND/OR MEMBERS OF THE RI FORUM! BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!" stuff, which it's pretty hard to miss, I don't understand a word of it. The literary and philosophical stuff, I mean.

And, you know. I mean this in a non-narcissistic way, but: I don't have any doubts about how first-rate my skills as a literary critic or as an astute and sensitive reader of verbally arcane written works are. They're lower than genius level. And by many miles. But they're still fucking first-rate. I'm in my element as a reader. And I'm not boasting when I say that. I'm just saying it. Because it's the case.

So I'm really pretty sure all that multi-referential and dense prose actually makes no sense. It's like word salad, almost.

And I'm absolutely fucking sure that it's a grotesquely overdetermined and almost willfully blind misreading of her blog. Which I do understand. Because that does make sense. Also, imo, it's the work of a writer of exceptional ability. However, what it unmistakably is not is: A major artwork of any kind. Or a non-artistic endeavor into which an artist was putting her heart and soul. Or, for that matter, even very much more than a casual thought. IOW, it's a personal blog (and not a fucking encrypted gospel of esoteric mystery) that was written by a woman whose artistic vision wasn't realized there. Or anywhere. Sadly. Because you can see from it that she had one, and that furthermore it was aesthetically a lovely and original thing.

In any event. I don't know what that's about. I find it ghoulish. And kind of pornographic. I mean, it's not like the decades of fascination that a strong, attractive woman can easily provoke all over the western world as long as she's dead (effective as of the moment of her death) is anything new. It's part of the basic DNA of Judeo-Christian culture. Having written which, I actually guess I can see why I'd be an object of cathectic interest to someone who cathected that way. As long as I was just words on a screen.

I don't like thinking about it, I'm therefore realizing as I type. It makes me feel...Let's just leave it at "very bad."

But the short answer is that it's meaningless to me. I don't get it. And I don't want any part of it. So I'm now going to return to the policy of not having one. So just in case anyone has any follow-ups, I won't be taking questions. Or desecrating corpses. I mean, same difference. If you ask me.


That's as good as any synopsis I suppose.

But we needn't fear such shit. Yes, I am afraid most moments of my day. If the truth of curiosity and empathy is spoken widely, there will be no need for this bullshit. Humans are out of their element on this here weberizer. This is why my old myspace page was a joke page and why I will never touch facebook with a 10 gig pole. It isn't natural. But it is natural!

See, once we fucking start taking this shit so seriously that it becomes our sole medium of conversation with others (which I am not insinuating anyone here is), but many many others do, and the powers who hold the power over us think we're just idiots and we don't bite -- we get stung. No? It's how I've always envisioned it.

Back in the olden days of listserv and newsgroups, people weren't so beholden to this medium we now find ourselves using. It was a novelty, a curiosity, a hobby. Now it is a way of life. Parents wouldn't be caught dead using email. Now that's their only mode of ever talking to their distant loved ones. But now we gotta explain to them texting, mms, sms, twitter and YO FRIEND ME UP.

It seems we are losing our previous generation in interest of replacing it with the dreaded "MATRIX". As they die, more tech rushes in. No rigor and no intuition. Simply algorithms.

OK. What I am saying is, is that the medium is the message. I don't know who the fuck here is a plant or an agent. But I really don't care.

Back in the days when I read Atrios' Eschaton, many commenters would say "good, I hope the fuckers are reading this. Maybe they'll learn something."

Unlikely anymore. The "panopticon" is upon us. But, maybe, just maybe I can be a Walton boy and say goodnight in peace and we'll all tune out together.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby compared2what? » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:04 am

OP ED wrote:
Anyway. Right now, anyway, I don't think I can come back and hold my head high. Sorry to say. I'm an inadvertent suicide bomber.


bah. most of these people have surprisingly short attention spans. they'll have forgotten all of this by the next election cycle.


I won't. I don't forget anything. Contra smiths. I can't pull the trigger on anyone. I've never been able to. I can get the bad to be gone. And I always could. But I go with it. I kind of have to, on principle. And you know that you're never going to get me to yield on a matter of principle. No force can make me do that besides me. Like I just did. I can't pardon myself for that. You wouldn't be able to either, had you violated one of yours. You know it's true. Jeff's the same way. In fact.
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby OP ED » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:27 am

compared2what? wrote:
OP ED wrote:
Anyway. Right now, anyway, I don't think I can come back and hold my head high. Sorry to say. I'm an inadvertent suicide bomber.


bah. most of these people have surprisingly short attention spans. they'll have forgotten all of this by the next election cycle.


I won't. I don't forget anything.


i said "most".


Contra smiths. I can't pull the trigger on anyone. I've never been able to. I can get the bad to be gone. And I always could. But I go with it. I kind of have to, on principle.


this is why i love you.

And you know that you're never going to get me to yield on a matter of principle. No force can make me do that besides me. Like I just did. I can't pardon myself for that. You wouldn't be able to either, had you violated one of yours.


i never do.

You know it's true. Jeff's the same way. In fact.


actually jeff is worse than me, and probably worse than you.

(which is why he's so quiet during these only slightly simmering and yet still scintillatingly complex interpersonal dynamics)
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Re: RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Mon Jan 18, 2010 8:36 am

Et in Arcadia ego wrote:
smiths wrote:so why not stop any posts that come through a proxy if that is a bad thing


Because you can't, unless you know something I do not.


http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bl ... f&oq=&aqi=

Not so hard really, but only as good as your blocklists, I suppose. Find the latest proxies, and block them all. It might slow down the forum depending on server resources with your host, but you won't know until you try.

AlicetheKurious wrote:For the record, I don't think this very confusing and off-putting and very internal discussion should have been on the main page of the RI board. It undermines the board's credibility and its value as a place where you can find fascinating and very important information that is extremely difficult to find anywhere else, as well as critical analysis of very confusing phenomena and events.

As someone has said, the RI board is their newspaper. Coming here now would be like picking up the Daily News and finding articles about marital infidelity and petty theft among the staff, with a lot of obscure references that only 'insiders' understand. Nothing could be more damaging, or more discouraging to people who pop in, in the hope of finding solid information. There should be a separate category for such threads about the board itself, and they should be kept out of the main page. Maybe all these related threads could be moved. Please.


I agree with this wholeheartedly. Maybe there should be a sub-forum for meta-discussions like this. Peoples will find it, surely, and click it, and it may increase the liveliness of the sub-forums in general.

I don't have much to say about the OP. I'm sorry to see the crazy, vindictive shit, and I applaud the attempt to root it out. I think there were some misplaced aspersions, but given the nastiness of the trolls, it's understandable.

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