maybe we should have started a thread for 2012, oh well
so, FYI... your chance to kickstart the next alien autopsy... (this seems kinda hard to believe, but we do live in weird times, is it possible 'security' is breaking down to the point where this could be for real? I suppose maybe)
SUPPORT DR. STEVEN GREER AND THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT Saturday BREAKING NEWS: URGENT
There is a chance that we may be able to include in the film "Sirius" the scientific testing of a possible Extraterrestrial Biological Entity (EBE) that has been recovered and is deceased. This EBE is in the possession of a cooperative institute desiring further scientific evaluation of the possible ET. We cannot reveal at this time the location of this being or the name of the person or persons who possess it.
Dr. Jan Bravo- who is a STAR Board member and a fellow Emergency Physician- and I have actually visited the group that possesses this EBE and have personally and professionally examined the being. It is indeed an actual deceased body, and most certainly is not plastic or man-made. It has a head, 2 arms and 2 legs and is humanoid . We have seen and examined X-Rays of the being. Its anatomy however is not homo sapien (modern human) or any known hominid (predecessors to humans).
As you can imagine, the security and scientific issues surrounding the further testing of this potentially explosive and world- changing evidence are mind-boggling. However, we feel we simply must proceed expeditiously but cautiously. The cost of doing proper MRI testing, full and dispositive forensic-level DNA testing and carbon dating with other isotope testing are considerable and certainly not currently funded. We must rule out other hominids, bizarre genetic defects and so forth. But it is most certainly an actual biological specimen - and it may be - well, what it looks like.
Dr. Bravo, myself, Dr. Ted Loder, Professor Emeritus University of New Hampshire, and other scientists who wish to remain confidential will be doing the examinations and testing. A top DNA lab will be engaged for appropriate DNA evaluation.
Kaleka is in this video...
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justdrew wrote:maybe we should have started a thread for 2012, oh well
so, FYI... your chance to kickstart the next alien autopsy... (this seems kinda hard to believe, but we do live in weird times, is it possible 'security' is breaking down to the point where this could be for real? I suppose maybe)
MUFON's Makes First Major Announcement
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The Symposium was at the Northern Kentucky Convention Center in Covington, Kentucky. Organizers were telling participants that they had blockbuster news to release over the weekend.
We know that the meticulously kept papers of Ufologist and UFO crash investigator, Leonard Stringfield have been donated to MUFON which was one of the big announcement and we are awaiting word on the second piece of the puzzle.
Stringfields work encompassed sixty volumes of “meticulous UFO research over 30 years”. The papers were donated to the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), according to an August 3, 2012, announcement by MUFON Executive Director David MacDonald who spoke at the organization’s annual symposium. ...
MUFON -Blockbuster Announcement, Researcher Has Located Two UFO Crash Sites
The Orlando Paranormal Examiner reported today that MUFON's Director, David MacDonald made his blockbuster announcement this afternoon. MUFON claims that researcher Harry Drew is convinced that he has located two UFO crash sites in the region of Kingman, Arizona. Drew said it was a triangular radar fix running at full boosted power that brought down "the craft" in 1953.
Ray Fowler According to Drew, military personnel quickly retrieved and cleaned up the wreckage. The archaeologist and historian apparently included photos of the sites in his presentation, as well as presented information contradicting past accounts of the case and alleged crashes.
This is a departure and a contradiction of information that was originally presented by Raymond Fowler who first broke the details in 1973. Fowler claimed that his information was from Fritz Werner who was later identified to be Arthur Stansel.
Arthur Stansel
Stansel was employed by the Air Material command at Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, Ohio. He had graduated from the University of Ohio in 1949 with a mechanical engineering degree and later tested aircraft engines for the Air force.
Stansel said that he had been involved in a top-secret, preliminary survey of a wrecked UFO somewhere in the desert around Kingman. Stansel’s credentials seemed good and there was limited documentation, but nothing solid. Stansel had been caught telling several versions of the same story and claimed that when he had been drinking he tended to embellish stories. His credibility came into question as a result of his tales.
Dr. Eric Wang, who was suspected of leading a reverse engineering team on alien craft, headed the Installations Division within the Office of Special Studies where Stensel worked. Stansel signed a legal affidavit vouching to the honesty of his testimony, which was released by Ray Fowler in UFO Magazine, April 1976.
Back in 1973, a man named Arthur Stansel – using the alias of Fritz Werner – provided the respected UFO researcher Ray Fowler with an extraordinary and controversial affidavit concerning nothing less than an alleged crashed UFO event in Kingman, Arizona two decades earlier. It went like this… “I, Fritz Werner, do solemnly swear that during a special assignment with the U.S. Air Force, on May 21, 1953, I assisted in the investigation of a crashed unknown object in the vicinity of Kingman, Arizona. The object was constructed of an unfamiliar metal which resembled brushed aluminum. It had impacted twenty inches into the sand without any sign of structural damage. It was oval and about 30 feet in diameter. An entrance way hatch had been vertically lowered and opened.” Stansel/Werner continued: “It was about 3-1/2 feet high and 1-1/2 feet wide. I was able to talk briefly with someone on the team who did look inside only briefly. He saw two swivel seats, an oval cabin, and a lot of instruments and displays. A tent pitched near the object sheltered the dead remains of the only occupant of the craft. It was about 4 feet tall, dark brown complexion and had 2 eyes, 2 nostrils, 2 ears, and a small round mouth. It was clothed in a silvery, metallic suit and wore a skullcap of the same type material. It wore no face covering or helmet. I certify that the above statement is true by affixing my signature to this document this day of June 7, 1973.”
On May 21, 1953 Stansel was called away by his boss and told to report for a special assignment at the Indian Springs Air Force Base where he was joined by 15 other specialists. They were flown by military plane to Phoenix where they boarded a bus with blacked-out windows and rode for an estimated four hours. When they arrived at their destination somewhere southeast of Kingman in one of the washes of the Hulapai Mountains, they were met and briefed by an Air Force Colonel who told them they were to investigate the crash of a super-secret test vehicle. He and the others on the bus were told not to speak to each other under any circumstances.
Stansel's job was to determine the forward and vertical velocities of the vehicle when it impacted in the sand. Stansel was escorted to the site by military police. Two military arc-lights illuminated the saucer, which appeared to be two convex oval plates inverted over each other approximately 30 feet in diameter. The saucer was embedded in the sand about 20 inches. From this Stansel had determined that the saucer crashed at a velocity of 100 knots yet it had no dents, marks, or scratches on its burnished aluminum surface. It was constructed of dull silver metal like brushed aluminum.
Artist likeness of the Kingman UFO crash
Another specialist had gotten a look inside the craft as a 1.5 x 3.5 foot hatch was open revealing an oval interior cabin with two swivel seats and many instruments. Stansel saw one body recovered from the crash. It was humanoid, about 4 feet tall, with brown skin and wearing a silver-metallic flight suit.
Whilst they were back on the bus and being taken back they were made to sign the "Official Secrets" act and was told never to tell anyone about this incident.
Fowler made several checks as to the integrity of Stansel and everyone who knew him said that he was a man of considerable integrity and scientific ability.
Another story supporting the 1953 crash near Kingman came to UFO researcher Leonard Stringfield in 1977. A man who was in the National Guard at Wright Patterson claimed that he was witness to a delivery from a "crash site in Arizona" in 1953. He said that 3 bodies had been recovered and were packed in dry ice. They were 4ft tall, with large heads and brownish skin.
MUFON's first blockbuster announcement of the weekend was that they had been donated sixty volumes of meticulously kept paper of Ufologist and crash research Leonard Stringfields. So the Drew information and the Stringfield papers seem to go hand in hand.
It should be noted that several UFO investigators at the time that Fowler made this information public considered it a hoax. This was not that unusual in the 1960's & 70's, the government was releasing much in the way of confusing and intentional misinformation about credible UFO sightings and cases.
Also, researcher Harry Drew is going to have to come forward with some additional credible information if this case is going to be considered a landmark UFO case.
Not sure I buy the idea a UFO being shot down with a NNEMP A2A missile, maybe, but you'd be talking about a craft likely powered by electrogravitics and lord only knows what power source, I'd think it would have naturally been hardened against just such forces.
The 1947 UFO controversy of Roswell, N.M. is like a bad penny: It keeps turning up.
The legend, rehashed by conspiracy theorists in countless documentaries, revolves around allegations that an unusual object fell from the sky -- an object so bizarre that the U.S. Air Force issued a press release that a flying saucer had crashed.
That story was quickly recanted, creating what would become one of the greatest urban legends in American history.
Until now, most debunkers doubted that there was even one crash. Now, in an exclusive interview, retired Air Force Lt. Col. Richard French told The Huffington Post that there were actually two crashes.
This revelation is especially remarkable considering that French was known in the past to debunk UFO stories.
"There were actually two crashes at Roswell, which most people don't know," French told HuffPost. "The first one was shot down by an experimental U.S. airplane that was flying out of White Sands, N.M., and it shot what was effectively an electronic pulse-type weapon that disabled and took away all the controls of the UFO, and that's why it crashed."
French -- an Air Force pilot who was in Alamagordo, N.M., in 1947, being tested in an altitude chamber, an annual requirement for rated officers -- was very specific in how the military allegedly brought down what he believes was a spacecraft from another world.
"When they hit it with that electromagnetic pulse -- bingo! -- there goes all their electronics and, consequently, the UFO was uncontrollable," said French, who flew hundreds of combat missions in Korea and Southeast Asia, and who held several positions working for Military Intelligence.
Another retired officer doubts French's story.
"No chance! Zero chance!" said Army Col. John Alexander, whose own top-secret clearance gave him access in the 1980s to official documents and UFO accounts. He created a top-level group of government officials and scientists who determined that, while UFOs are real, they couldn't find evidence of an official cover-up.
"In the 1980s, I was the guy developing all of the pulse-power weapons systems. We couldn't have done it then. In the 60s, they had a laser system, but your range was extremely limited, and we didn't have operational laser weapons in that time frame," said Alexander, who is working to get amnesty for military personnel who wish to talk about their UFO experiences.
Except for the initial newspaper headline declaring the military had captured a flying saucer outside of Roswell, the Air Force closed the books on Roswell, claiming that the true identity of the object was a high-altitude surveillance balloon, code-named "Mogul."
But after eyewitnesses -- including numerous military personnel -- began to tell stories of their participation in an alleged cover-up of the Roswell incident, some researchers insisted that it was, in fact, an alien ship that crashed at Roswell.
French says he was told about the UFO "shootdown" by another military officer -- a confidential source -- from White Sands Proving Grounds, an area of the New Mexico desert where the U.S. military tested many weapons systems.
His source told French there was a second UFO crash near Roswell a few days after the first one.
"It was within a few miles of where the original crash was," French said. "We think that the reason they were in there at that time was to try and recover parts and any survivors of the first crash. I'm [referring to] the people from outer space -- the guys whose UFO it was."
While French offered no further details on what he says was a second UFO crash, he teased something else.
"I had seen photographs of parts of the UFO that had inscriptions on it that looked like it was in an Arabic language -- it was like a part number on each one of them. They were photographs in a folder that I just thumbed through."
That's an interesting parallel to the recent story of ex-CIA agent Chase Brandon, who claimed he found a box at CIA headquarters in the 1990s -- a box labeled "Roswell."
Brandon told HuffPost he looked in the box and went through written materials and photographs confirming his suspicions that the object which crashed at Roswell, "was a craft that clearly did not come from this planet."
That story set off a fury of controversy between those who believed and didn't believe Brandon's story.
And now we have French, who served more than 27 years in the military, including as an investigator and debunker for the Air Force's famous study of UFOs, known as Project Blue Book, which began in 1947.
"I'm one of the authors of Project Blue Book, and started with the Air Force Office of Special Investigations, stationed in Spokane, Wash. One of the duties I had in 1952 was to debunk UFO stories," French said.
"In other words, if someone had a UFO sighting, I and another agent would try to come up with some logical explanation for this strange aerial appearance. Most of the reports were from civilians than military. We gave our analysis and tried to debunk it by saying it was swamp fog or that the thing they saw was actually hanging on wires. It went up through channels all the way to the presidential level."
But why was French ordered to debunk UFO reports in the first place?
"They never give you an explanation, but I'll tell you what my analysis of it is: If they accepted the fact that there are creatures coming to Earth from other universes or from wherever, it basically would destroy religions, and the fact that our military's helpless against them would destroy the reputation of the military," French said. "You're talking about military, national defense and religious reasons."
As it often turns out with eye-opening UFO stories, it comes down to who you believe.
Antonio Huneeus is a 30-year veteran UFO investigative reporter who recently spent time with French and is trying to uncover more facts about the information the former Military Intelligence officer would have us believe.
"We did a search and found his name on an official Air Force page that confirmed he was a combat pilot, but that page had nothing to do with UFOs," Huneeus, editor of Open Minds Magazine, told HuffPost.
"My reservations are about some of the claims that he makes, and because of his age, his memory isn't as good as it used to be," Huneeus said. "It's clear to me that he's fairly well read on the subject of UFOs, or he might have heard stories or talked to people. So, I'm trying to separate exactly what he lived and saw directly from what he heard and read."
Sixty years after French began investigating UFOs for Project Blue Book, he still thinks there's a cover-up.
"It's going on today. There's no question about it. I've listened to their denials many times and, at that time, I was in direct opposition to their position. In my mind, there wasn't any question that UFOs were real."
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Mystery Sighting Spooks Soldiers Units of the Indian Army and the Indo-Tibetan Border Police Force (ITBP) have reported Unidentified Flying Objects (UFOs) in the Ladakh region of Jammu and Kashmir. By Sandeep Unnithan | India Today – Mon 5 Nov, 2012 An ITBP unit based in Thakung, close to the Pangong Tso Lake, reported over 100 sightings of luminous objects between August 1 and October 15 this year. In reports sent to their Delhi headquarters in September, and to the Prime Minister's Office (PMO), they described sighting "Unidentified Luminous Objects" at day and by night. The yellowish spheres appear to lift off from the horizon on the Chinese side and slowly traverse the sky for three to five hours before disappearing.
These were not unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs), drones or even low-earth orbiting satellites, say Army officials who have studied the hazy photographs taken by ITBP. Drone sightings are verified and logged separately. The Army has reported 99 sightings of Chinese drones between January and August this year: 62 sightings were reported in the western sector, the Ladakh region, and 37 in the eastern sector in Arunachal Pradesh. Three of these drones intruded into territory claimed by India along the 365-km-long border with China in Ladakh, manned by ITBP.
Such mysterious lights have been sighted before in Ladakh, a barren, 86,000 sq km heavily militarised zone wedged between Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir and Chinese-occupied Aksai Chin. The persistent sightings by the ITBP this year, however, worried the Army's Leh-based 14 Corps. The ITBP, did not respond to a detailed India Today questionnaire.
In September, the Army moved a mobile ground-based radar unit and a spectrum analyser-that picks up frequencies emitted from any object-to a mountaintop near the 160-km-long, ribbon-shaped Pangong Lake that lies between India and China.
The radar could not detect the object that was being tracked visually, indicating it was non-metallic. The spectrum analyser could not detect any signals being emitted from them. The Army also flew a reconnaissance drone in the direction of the floating object, but it proved a futile exercise. The drone reached its maximum altitude but lost sight of the floating object.
In late September this year, a team of astronomers from the Indian Astronomical Observatory at Hanle, 150 km south of the lake, studied the airborne phenomena for three days. The team spotted the flying objects, Army officials say, but could not conclusively establish what they were. They did, however, say that the objects were "non celestial" and ruled out meteors and planets.
Scientists however say, the harsh geography and sparse demography of the great Himalayan range that separates Kashmir Valley from Ladakh, lends itself to unusual sightings. "The region is snowbound in winter, has few roads and is one of the most isolated places in India," says Sunil Dhar, a geologist at the government Post Graduate College in Dharamshala, who has studied glaciers in the region for 15 years.
Yet, none of the experts from the National Technical Research Organisation (NTRO)-in charge of technical intelligence-and Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO), has been able to identify the objects. This has caused embarrassment rather than fear in the establishment. "Something is clearly wrong, if our combined scientific resources can't explain the phenomena," says a senior Army official in Delhi. Intelligence officials say these objects could be a crude psychological operation by China, or sophisticated probes attempting to ascertain India's defences in Ladakh.
"We can't ignore these sightings. We need to probe what new technology might have been deployed there," says former Indian Air Force (IAF) chief Air Chief Marshal (retired) P.V. Naik.
In 2010, the IAF probed and dismissed Army sightings of such luminous objects as "Chinese lanterns". 'UFO' sightings have been endemic to Ladakh over the past decade. In late 2003, 14 Corps sent a detailed report on sightings of luminous objects to Army headquarters. Army troops on posts along Siachen had seen floating lights on the Chinese side. But reporting such phenomena risks inviting ridicule. When told about them at a northern command presentation in Leh, the then army chief, General N.C. Vij, had angrily dismissed the reports as hallucinations.
Scientists say the mysterious objects are not necessarily from outer space. "There is no evidence of 'ufos' being of extra-terrestrial origin," says reputed Pune-based astrophysicist Jayant Narlikar. "The implication of them being alien objects is fancy, not fact," he says.
There is still no explanation, however, for what is believed to be the clearest 'UFO' sighting yet, in the Lahaul-Spiti region of Himachal Pradesh less than 100 km south of Ladakh in 2004. A five-member group of geologists and glaciologists led by Dr Anil Kulkarni of the isro's Space Applications Centre in Ahmedabad were on a research trip through the barren Samudra Tapu Valley. They filmed a four-foot tall 'robot-like' figure, that 'walked' along the valley, 50 m away from them. The humanoid object then rapidly became airborne and disappeared. The encounter lasted 40 minutes. It was seen by 14 persons including the six scientists. Kulkarni then interviewed each expedition member separately to verify what the team had seen. Copies of his detailed report were circulated to the PMO, ISRO, the Army and several intelligence agencies. Kulkarni established his team hadn't seen natural phenomenon. The matter, however, was buried soon after.
Sunil Dhar, who was part of the 2004 expedition, terms the sighting of the unidentified object an unforgettable experience. Locals, he says, have reported sighting mysterious objects for many years. "These are unsolved mysteries that need more intensive study," he says. Left unexplained, the Ladakh sightings risk slipping into the crack between fact and science fiction.
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Sunday, November 18, 2012 Saucer Smear's James W. Moseley Dies
Fortean friend, ufology humorist, and writer James W. Moseley, 81, died Friday night, November 16, 2012. He passed away at a Key West, Florida, hospital, several months after being diagnosed with cancer of the esophagus.
Upon hearing of the death of Moseley, Anomalist Books publisher and editor Patrick Huyghe said: "He was one of the last remaining old timers from the golden age of flying saucers. Goodbye, Jim."
and some old (~81) Russian stuff... not sure what the deal is here, but:
Screenplay by Arkady Strugatsky, Marian Tkachev. Director Alexey Soloviev. Composer Alexander Zhurbin. The first Part of the science Fiction Story About the Contact with an Extraterrestrial supercivilization.
Arkady Strugatsky is a well know Russian science fiction author.
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VIMEO NOTES. Fed up with the failures of mankind, a cruel race of UFOs set out to destroy Earth and all that inhabit it. Can civilization survive the incredible onslaught of the attackers? BARAKA meets WAR OF THE WORLDS in this unique sci-fi allegorical adventure, told through an unconventional arrangement of dramatic timelapses, ancient radio plays and seat-shaking sound design, from Gavin Heffernan.
Follow-up to award-winning 2010 shorts collection, DEVOLUTION.
2011 Festival Screening Dates: April 28th -- Athens International Film & Video Festival (Ohio) May 5th -- KAN International Film Festival in Poland. June 24th -- The Film Festival of Colorado. August 11th -- HollyShorts Film Festival August 29th -- Golden Diana International Film Festival ** September 23rd -- The Elysian Project Film Festival (UK) October 18, 21st -- Montreal Festival du Nouveau Cinéma October 20th -- Darklight Film Festival (Ireland) October 22nd -- Oaktown Indie Mayhem Film Festival February 5th -- Canon Fatti Un Film Festival (Italy) February 17th -- Radcon Sci-Fi & Fantasy Convention March 14th -- Casa del Cinema (Italy) March 30th -- Canadian Film Fest (Toronto) August 30th -- Chicon 7 - The 70th World Science Fiction Convention (Chicago) October 19th -- Tri-Cities International Fantastic Film Festival (Washington)
**Winner - Bronze Diana Prize at Austria's 23rd Golden Diana International Film Festival
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I listened to Robert Hastings last night on C2C. Looking at his website and listening to him, he certainly strikes me as a dedicated 'boots on the ground' researcher, exclusively he informs us in the field of UFO's around nuke bases.
According to him at least, these occurences are regularly ongoing, with the latest suspected incident that he is aware of taking place in September of this year at the Maimstrom nuclear storage facility. Evidently this was the scene of a similar incident back in 1967.
Any seasoned Ufology vets know anything more about this man? Ever interview him smiley?
Malmstrom ... again? This year? Shit, gotta check that out.
I've never interviewed him but I did see him speak to a packed cavernous UT lecture hall years and years ago. I was shocked because at the time I'd never heard of him, was not used to UFO researchers eschewing all mention of "Alien Abductions", couldn't imagine a University letting a ufologist speak on campus, let alone seeing one so well received by a crowd of "regular kids."
slimmouse wrote:I listened to Robert Hastings last night on C2C. Looking at his website and listening to him, he certainly strikes me as a dedicated 'boots on the ground' researcher, exclusively he informs us in the field of UFO's around nuke bases.
According to him at least, these occurences are regularly ongoing, with the latest suspected incident that he is aware of taking place in September of this year at the Maimstrom nuclear storage facility. Evidently this was the scene of a similar incident back in 1967.
Any seasoned Ufology vets know anything more about this man? Ever interview him smiley?
UFOs Reported Near Malmstrom AFB's Nuclear Missile Sites in September 2012 Two V-Shaped Craft Sighted Southeast of Oscar Flight Launch Facility O-03 November 4, 2012 Also published at UFO Chronicles On September 19th, at 10:19 pm., the Fergus County, Montana Sheriff's Office received a call from an individual reporting a strange sight in the sky. The key passage in the official log entry reads:
CENTRAL MONTANA DISPATCH ADVISED OF A CALL FROM JENNIFER STYER WHO REPORTED SEEING 2 V-SHAPED OBJECTS WITH ORANGE LIGHTS FLYING VERY LOW NORTHWEST OF ROY. JENNIFER WANTED TO KNOW IF THEY MIGHT BE AIR FORCE AIRCRAFT … DISPATCH CALLED MALMSTROM WHO STATED THAT THEY HAVE NO AIRCRAFT OUT BY ROY TONIGHT …
The small town of Roy is approximately one mile west-northwest of Malmstrom's Oscar-01 Missile Alert Facility (MAF), and underground Launch Control Center, where two officers electronically monitor ten Minuteman-III nuclear missiles—scattered around the surrounding countryside in subterranean silos—waiting to unleash them, if ever ordered to do so by the President of the United States.
I first learned of recent UFO sightings in north-central Montana when two of them, occurring on September 21st, were posted at the National UFO Reporting Center's website three days later. Because I was scheduled to lecture at the University of Montana on October 9th, I decided to visit the region where the sightings occurred immediately thereafter, to see what might be uncovered. That scouting trip led to the Fergus County Sheriff's Office, where I found the record of Jennifer Styer's call in their blotter.
