PROMETHEUS

[Searcher08]

Under The Skin
Amazing film!
Somewhere in the Venn Diagram intersection of theta-wave hypnogogic meditation, a drunken Saturday night out in Glasgow and Karla Turner-esque abduction.

[zangtang]

my default position has always been - they've got much bigger fish to fry,
& there must be a limit to their manpower available to play
'psywar' with the amateurs......................(3)

[Luther Blissett]

It's interesting to compare the Prometheus take on the Engineers with Nazi Aryan mythology exemplified by Kossinna.

Yes, and one of the things that's interesting is that if these Aryans were supposed to be such "supermen," then why were they always depicted as having such little dicks?

I mean, if you can't even have a big dick in YOUR OWN mythology... well, let's just say that there might have been some overcompensating going on in other pursuits.

Yes, I just searched the forum for 'nazi penis', and I'm not going to apologize for that anymore.

Hitler 'had tiny deformed penis' as well as just one testicle, historians claim
Hitler suffered from a condition called hypospadias which left him with an abnormally small manhood, according to historians Jonathan Mayo and Emma Craigie

It has long been suspected that Hitler's conquest of Europe was an attempt to compensate for a lack of potency elsewhere.
But the notorious playground rhyme about his testicles appears to have only told half the story, as a book claims the leader of the Third Reich had a micropenis.
Hitler suffered from a condition called hypospadias which left him with an abnormally small manhood, according to historians Jonathan Mayo and Emma Craigie.

In their book Hitler's Last Day: Minute by Minute, they say they have uncovered medical records which confirm the Fuhrer's embarrassing deformity.
The condition is so severe that sufferers have to urinate from a hole at the base of the shaft, instead of the tip.
It comes just two months after a German historian said he had found proof that Hitler really did have one testicle, as per the famous 1939 playground ditty.
"Hitler himself is believed to have had two forms of genital abnormality: an undescended testicle and a rare condition called penile hypospadias in which the urethra opens on the under side of the penis," Mr Mayo and Ms Craigie wrote.

The discovery could offer some explanation as to why Hitler was allegedly afraid of being seen naked and the cause of his famed fits of rage.
It also likely to add fuel to the debate on Hitler's sex life - or lack thereof - which is fiercely contested by historians.
In his biography of Hitler, the British historian Ian Kershaw said the Austrian-born Nazi leader was repelled by sexual activity of any kind as he feared catching an infection.

However, there is evidence he had romantic encounters with a series of women in his lifetime, including his mistress Eva Braun, with whom he committed suicide on April 30, 1945. One German biographer, Heike Görtemaker, has insisted that the couple enjoyed a happy and healthy sex life.
Hitler's personal doctor, Theodor Morell, is also said to have diagnosed the Fuhrer with hypospadias and had prescribed him with hormones and amphetamines in an attempt to improve his sex drive.

[brekin]

There are a lot of pictures of him standing with his seemingly default, at ease, pose being hands clasped in front of groin.
Those are the ones of course, when he isn't doing a sig heil, which in itself could be a compensation.
Of course, it would be nice to hear what his personal physician in Argentina had to say.

[Burnt Hill]

Funny thing is- I still haven't seen Prometheus, the movie.
Maybe I don't want it to ruin thread for me...

[DrEvil]

^^Don't. It looks great but is dumb as bricks. Every single character in the movie behaves like a complete idiot, and the plot isn't any better. I expect Hollywood movies to play fast and loose with facts, logic, science and basic human decency, but this movie is just an endless parade of Syfy-level contrived nonsense.

They also completely and utterly ruin The Pilot from Alien, and then the aliens themselves for good measure.

It's like Scott and Lindelof sat down and discussed how to best piss all over the legacy of the original movie and then made Prometheus from the resulting brain-fart.

/Rant

[zangtang]

uuuhhhh, mebe, but you don't often get to see Charlize Theron chased by a crashing spaceship rolling down the hill.

shit me, there's no pleasing some people!

on a more critical note, the virtual planetarium/navigation computer display screen is one of the most beautiful er.......things committed to digital celluloid ever

[semper occultus]

^^Don't. It looks great but is dumb as bricks. Every single character in the movie behaves like a complete idiot, and the plot isn't any better. I expect Hollywood movies to play fast and loose with facts, logic, science and basic human decency, but this movie is just an endless parade of Syfy-level contrived nonsense.

They also completely and utterly ruin The Pilot from Alien, and then the aliens themselves for good measure.

It's like Scott and Lindelof sat down and discussed how to best piss all over the legacy of the original movie and then made Prometheus from the resulting brain-fart.

/Rant

...how do they ruin the aliens though...?

[brekin]

It's like Scott and Lindelof sat down and discussed how to best piss all over the legacy of the original movie and then made Prometheus from the resulting brain-fart.

I can see that. Them, some large pizzas from Dominoes and George Lucas in the room mentoring them.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I liked it a lot as a stand-alone piece. I agree that it wreaks holy hell with the "mythos" and that's a pity, because the whole Alien/Giger nightmare was beautifully pure. It's also a bit weird because I recall Dark Horse comics developing that whole Universe at great length in my lost youth, and they very seldom fucked it up. That's what happens when you hire real experts, though.

I would argue in defense of Prometheus as a very worthy companion piece to Alien just the same. For decades straight, the '79 original has stood, to me, as the best specimen of the Things Go Wrong on Another World species. There have been a shit-ton of worthy B-movie attempts at both attaining that standard and merely exploiting that template, but Ridley Scott really nailed it again. The realism and claustrophobia of the first film gets chucked out the airlock in favor of a more mythic, visual approach -- much like the recent Transformer or Transporter franchise installments, you can see the seams of a movie being made for easy viewing in Chinese. It's straight Wagner, it's way more Welles than Kubrick, and all the actors only exist to portray archetypes in HD kabuki.

I like it, in other words. I do.

But they should sure as shit just keep making Aliens as if it never happened. That stuff is too good to abandon.

[Luther Blissett]

Elfis's link back on page 5 pretty much makes everything okay with this movie.

viewtopic.php?p=465995#p465995

http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html

[DrEvil]

^^Don't. It looks great but is dumb as bricks. Every single character in the movie behaves like a complete idiot, and the plot isn't any better. I expect Hollywood movies to play fast and loose with facts, logic, science and basic human decency, but this movie is just an endless parade of Syfy-level contrived nonsense.

They also completely and utterly ruin The Pilot from Alien, and then the aliens themselves for good measure.

It's like Scott and Lindelof sat down and discussed how to best piss all over the legacy of the original movie and then made Prometheus from the resulting brain-fart.

/Rant

...how do they ruin the aliens though...?

Minor spoilers ahead:






By explaining them. Same with the Pilot who turns out to just be an angry, blue dude.
Some things just shouldn't have a back-story/explanation (see: Michael Myers, The Joker). It takes away the mystery and makes them less scary/intriguing.

Oh, and about Charlize Theron: What the Hell was she even doing there? She just wanted to take over the company, so why not just wave them goodbye and stay on Earth? And why didn't she hide under the same tiny rock as Noomi? It was obviously made out of some sort of super-rock capable of withstanding a GIANT FUCKING SPACESHIP crashing into it. Much better to just run the same way the spaceship is going. Gaaah!

OK, I think I got it out of my system now.

[Nordic]

I hated it, too. Largely because I really wanted to like it. The whole thing was just unpleasant.

[Wombaticus Rex]

“Prometheus 1 was born out of my frustration that on Alien 1 in 1979 — I only did one as I don’t normally do sequels. I was amazed that in the three that followed that no one asked the question: “Why the Alien, who made it and why?” Very basic questions. So I came up with the notion of Prometheus 1, which starts to indicate who might have made it and where it came from.”

That quote cracks me up! Definitely explains the stupidity of that screenplay, though...baked in, "a feature not a bug" as creation myth.

I always thought the beauty of Giger's creation is that it was a highly evolved, alien predator species with a fully explicated (and exploded!) life cycle. It's the very fucking lack of mystery that made it so compelling to me as a kid: shit is right there on the screen.

[semper occultus]

...I suppose he's referring to the issue of why there was a shit load of their eggs on the crashed space-jockey vehicle ?

...are they definitely "made" or just being farmed like salmon or something....