Crisis Actors? Post your info & WTF moments here

[barracuda]

It is not unthinkable that there was a pre-planned drill being carried out at the Boston Marathon finishing line (as indeed explicitly claimed by university athletics coach Ali Stevenson, who says it was announced repeatedly via loudspeaker to the crowd). It is not unthinkable that crisis actors were involved in that drill, as they are in fact routinely used in such drills. It is not unthinkable that amputees were among those crisis actors, as indeed they sometimes are. It is not unthinkable that they too were surprised by the actual real bombing, and hurt by it, while the drill took place.

Wait, so now maybe real amputees who were acting as crisis actors were hurt by the real bombing? And wound up being taken to the hospital? For amputations? Then WHAT THE HELL DID THEY AMPUTATE???

Because if I'm not mistaken, you can't amputate an amputee. It just winds up being sort of a trim.

Not only is none of this unthinkable, there is nothing remotely offensive about thinking it.

That's totally true, and the proof is that you actually thought of it, and no one seems particularly offended.

A single phone call to the responsible authorities should clear all this up very quickly. Why will no US citizen make that call?

The responsibility for making this call should fall to those trying to prove that there actually were crisis actors faking injuries at the bombings. Those who do not believe this should not be burdened with having to prove a negative. IMHHO.

[FourthBase]

Get ready to feel embarrassed, because FourthBase is about to step in as the voice of reason. Embarrassed, lol? Look, asking questions about crisis actors, even at this marathon, even speculation about individual victims as actors, is not in and of itself an intellectual sin or unethical or whatever. No, what IS is how fucking shabbily and overconfidently all of that has typically been. Fucking atrocious thinking. Lazy, irresponsible, cynical-for-cynicism's-sake, stupid, unjustifiably certain, etc. That's what ought to be shut the fuck up. Not the subject itself. As for calling legless people liars and getting beaten for it in Boston, it's what would happen. Stop attributing a threat to people who helpfully point that reality out. Where can you express stuff like that? Here, for one. Just do it well. Don't suck at it. If it turns out to be something impossible to do well, impossible not to suck, then stop fucking bringing it up. Yet to be determined. But, so far, it's all just been a bunch of total fucking suck. As for Benghazi, seriously, people here don't smell a black-op gone wrong? Either a stand-down to avoid any worm-can-opening, or a straight-up execution of spook pseudo-diplomats who knew too much, or some such thing? You trust, uh, Hillary Clinton? Really, lol? If anything should be gotten the fuck out of, it's that. Finally, how the fuck could Bauman not be able to lock eyes with Tamerlan and still remember that? Of course a person could remember that. And, it still would not rule out a patsy scenario, regardless. So, people doing the whole shitty-dichotomy thing should just cut that shit. Or, not cut it, not cut it into two discrete either/or halves of shit one must swear allegiance to. Fuck that shit. Calm down. Wake up. Smell the coffee. Embarrassed yet, lol? - Improbable Voice of Reason

[Hunter]

My main question would be how did they get Jeff and his fake ripped off legs, on the scene, after the bombing, with nobody noticing. Obviously he couldnt have been there in that state, looking as he did after the bombing, before the bombing and had to have been placed there in that state, after the bombing, so did someone just carry him there in the midst of the smoke and chaos and drop him on the ground?

That is what really confuses me about this whole line of thinking but maybe I am not thinking it through enough and I am missing something?

[MacCruiskeen]

Does anyone think that Ali Stevenson was lying? If they do, I sincerely hope no one kicks the shit out of them, or even threatens to. Because that would be terrible, wouldn't it.

It would also be terrible if anyone confused reasonable doubt with an accusation of lying, or vice-versa.

It would be terriblest of all if most Americans were too terrified (or too lazy) even to risk finding out if Ali Stevenson was telling the truth or not. But that's unthinkable, thank God.

All is well.

[IanEye]

eye for 1, have already acknowledged that people have been known to lie during a crisis.
on this very thread:

crisis actor

viewtopic.php?p=500579#p500579
how did I forget?!????!! Clearly Harley Guy is not the earliest example I knew about, and this one's admitted. Nice call.

also on this thread i made a montage where i took lyrics from a Black Sabbath song and juxtaposed them with images of the resurrection and Mr. Bauman.

again, this is the internet. people do stuff like that, myself included.

but i wouldn't do a karaoke version of "Fairies Wear Boots" in front of the parents of Sydney Corcoran to try to explain my feelings about the marathon bombing.

if i did i would expect that either parent would fuck my shit up for being so callous around their daughter.

i would expect this because when it was my daughter in a Boston hospital, some poor soul decided that was a good time to tie her struggle to his thoughts on Obamacare.

i punched him in his throat.

it felt great.

viewtopic.php?p=326530#p326530

hey freemason9!
it seems like a lot of people here want to give you a hard time about your views on the state of healthcare and congress.
i'd love to help you out, but:



i'm kind of busy these days dealing with the reality of getting my kid home from the hospital (who was born a full trimester premature) and helping my Wife recuperate because she got so stressed out after giving birth that she suffered two massive myocardial infarctions about a month and a half later.

so, very quickly, my advice to you is:

tell all the personas here at RI to go fuck themselves

turn off the computer

spend time with your family

.

now if you'll excuse me, eye am going to take my own advice.

feel free to go fuck your selves.

i am going to go kiss my children.

[Hunter]

Well wishes with the new child and wifes welfare Ian, take care!

[Joe Hillshoist]

eye for 1, have already acknowledged that people have been known to lie during a crisis.
on this very thread:

crisis actor

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... 79#p500579
how did I forget?!????!! Clearly Harley Guy is not the earliest example I knew about, and this one's admitted. Nice call.

also on this thread i made a montage where i took lyrics from a Black Sabbath song and juxtaposed them with images of the resurrection and Mr. Bauman.

again, this is the internet. people do stuff like that, myself included.

but i wouldn't do a karaoke version of "Fairies Wear Boots" in front of the parents of Sydney Corcoran to try to explain my feelings about the marathon bombing.

if i did i would expect that either parent would fuck my shit up for being so callous around their daughter.

i would expect this because when it was my daughter in a Boston hospital, some poor soul decided that was a good time to tie her struggle to his thoughts on Obamacare.

i punched him in his throat.

it felt great.

http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/view ... 30#p326530

hey freemason9!
it seems like a lot of people here want to give you a hard time about your views on the state of healthcare and congress.
i'd love to help you out, but:



i'm kind of busy these days dealing with the reality of getting my kid home from the hospital (who was born a full trimester premature) and helping my Wife recuperate because she got so stressed out after giving birth that she suffered two massive myocardial infarctions about a month and a half later.

so, very quickly, my advice to you is:

tell all the personas here at RI to go fuck themselves

turn off the computer

spend time with your family

.

now if you'll excuse me, eye am going to take my own advice.

feel free to go fuck your selves.

i am going to go kiss my children.

[FourthBase]

Going to retire for the night, to go fuck myself figuratively, and to be appreciative of life. Whenever you're in town and have time and need to share a pitcher of beer, PM me. Really. Whatever gods may be, here's hoping they bless you and your family with a break, and endless good luck.

[brainpanhandler]

I am the kind of person that believes anything and everything is fair game, let it be said, refute it, argue against it, whatever, but there is absolutely no reason to deny anyone their opinion no matter how much you may disagree with it or how controversial it may be.

Well, in fact there are some topics that are forbidden here; no planes and holocaust revisionism. And others that are discouraged, like chmtrls. And not for no reason. Not absolutely everything is fair game. There's lots of other places on the net such things can be "discussed" if you are so inclined. I think banning certain topics has had a positive effect on this board.

Worse yet none of these discussions should ever get to the point it becomes personal, people are insulted and called names, I think everyone here is better than that.

Except that sometimes it is personal. Try telling some of the survivors here that ritual abuse is a hoax or that the survivors are frauds.

And I think we're all grown ups here, at least chronologically. I don't think anyone will be mortally wounded by a bit of sarcasm. If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen.

[Hunter]

And that is all good and well, I said FOR ME, everything is fair game, I dont close my mind to anything, if those who run this RI operation want to ban all discussion of crisis actors they are certainly free to do so, until then I plan to engage in such a discussion and choose to do so in a civil manner and not allow my emotions to control me to the point I become an asshole and start calling everyone names because I am butthurt that their opinion is different than mine. At the end of the day nobody here has all the answers so really, one person's opinion is no worse than anothers since it is all, essentially speculation anyway.

I already said it personally makes me cringe when I hear that some people believe that Jeff is a crisis actor but I am not going to try and shut them down for suggesting that, if that is what they believe I will allow them the burden to prove it or move on but at no time am I going to insult them or make a mockery of them and not because I think they cant handle it, we all can certainly, buts simply because I dont roll that way and it isnt the way those who are trained to think critically operate. Its fine for the amatuers I suppose, I like to think of myself as a professional and act like one. Its what I do afterall. Argue for a living and you dont get away with that sort of bushleague shit in the real world so why should it be ok just because youre online. I generally dont say things to people online, as a rule, that I wouldnt say to their face, but thats just me.

[brainpanhandler]

And that is all good and well, I said FOR ME, everything is fair game, I dont close my mind to anything, if those who run this RI operation want to ban all discussion of crisis actors they are certainly free to do so, until then I plan to engage in such a discussion and choose to do so in a civil manner and not allow my emotions to control me to the point I become an asshole and start calling everyone names because I am butthurt that their opinion is different than mine.

Do you not see any contradiction in that statement? And who do you think that describes here, if anyone?

I already said it personally makes me cringe when I hear that some people believe that Jeff is a crisis actor but I am not going to try and shut them down for suggesting that

Simulist and Justdrew have called for a ban of discussion of crisis actors. You can't really separate the topic from the particular rfeal world context. I don't know if I agree with them,but I don't think at would be a horrible blow to the board or free speech.

if that is what they believe I will allow them the burden to prove it or move on but at no time am I going to insult them or make a mockery of them and not because I think they cant handle it, we all can certainly, buts simply because I dont roll that way and it isnt the way those who are trained to think critically operate

Disagree. Lot's of fine critical thinkers are also asshole wits that take pleasure in mocking idiots.

I generally dont say things to people online, as a rule, that I wouldnt say to their face, but thats just me

I have the distinct feeling that everyone posting in this thread is writing just about exactly what they would say irl. But this is the internet. The rhetoric might get a bit over the top. That's natural and to be expected and not particularly worrisome to me.

[FourthBase]

Let it be known: I am absolutely opposed to banning "crisis actors" as a subject.
Now, if you wanted to set guidelines for strength of statement per evidence, or whatever...
Then maybe. But I would still want a high ceiling. Calling the whole bombing a hoax? Ban.
Stating with certainty that such-and-such person was an actor, using thin evidence? Warn.
Anything else can be dealt with like adults. Or, like adults correcting children.

[justdrew]

Let it be known: I am absolutely opposed to banning "crisis actors" as a subject.
Now, if you wanted to set guidelines for strength of statement per evidence, or whatever...
Then maybe. But I would still want a high ceiling. Calling the whole bombing a hoax? Ban.
Stating with certainty that such-and-such person was an actor, using thin evidence? Warn.
Anything else can be dealt with like adults. Or, like adults correcting children.

I did say "maybe" (I think I did anyway) - but yeah, let's table the motion for the time being, better we have few rules. I'm experiencing a caffeine withdraw ATM and can get a little pissy at times. Should be over soon (but some pissiness is likely to remain from time to time )

[semper occultus]

...well of course "The Boston Bombing" did not "..take place.." in the Baudrillardian sense of the term but exactly how false do you want your false flag to be ?

....faking the whole thing does sound a little over-elaborate & prone to risk of discovery compared to just blowing some random people up given the moral compass of any likely deep-state actors involved & whatever parapolitical effect was envisaged from pulling this particualar lever ( promoting an increase in the panoptic surveillance infrastructure seems most likely )

...the recurring issue of the use of drills in these events seems the key point here....

[Elihu]

Let it be known: I am absolutely opposed to banning "crisis actors" as a subject.
Now, if you wanted to set guidelines for strength of statement per evidence, or whatever...
Then maybe. But I would still want a high ceiling. Calling the whole bombing a hoax? Ban.
Stating with certainty that such-and-such person was an actor, using thin evidence? Warn.
Anything else can be dealt with like adults. Or, like adults correcting children.

the whole bombing was a hoax.