Ken O' Keefe.

[brainpanhandler]

The rest will I hope do what riggies do, and exercise their own judgement.

I reviewed the entire The People's Voice thread and all your posts in it. It's true, never once do you explicitly solicit funds for Icke's project.

But is it safe to say, since you think The People's Voice is a good idea, that you hoped people might follow your link to indiegogo and contribute?

[slimmouse]

BPH, I wrote a considered reply when all the shite started getting thrown around here, explaining how it was a toss up between posting to the link, or posting to the website, cos I figured I would be duly damned either way, and decided to link to the project, although to be fair to me I ddi explicitly state in the OP that this was an Icke venture, and hence offered what I considered fair warniing.

All of the above notwithstanding If I seriously imagined for one minute that I would be soliciting funds for Icke by taking either course of action, then I would consider myself to be even more stupid than I sometimes am.

I mean seriously?

[brainpanhandler]

BPH, I wrote a considered reply when all the shite started getting thrown around here, explaining how it was a toss up between posting to the link, or posting to the website, cos I figured I would be duly damned either way, and decided to link to the project, although to be fair to me I ddi explicitly state in the OP that this was an Icke venture, and hence offered what I considered fair warniing.

All of the above notwithstanding If I seriously imagined for one minute that I would be soliciting funds for Icke by taking either course of action, then I would consider myself to be even more stupid than I sometimes am.

I mean seriously?

So... you did not hope that members here might contribute to The People's Voice?

A simple yes or no will do.

[slimmouse]

I posted the link simply because I considered the project a good one. That I may or may not be soliciting funds by doing so was the last thing on my mind.

So if you want to make it that definitive, then NO.

Hey, and you know what else is interesting? Icke's done numerous videos explaining how the project is taking shape. I havent bothered posting them, being either the coward or respectful, depending on who will be reading it. During one of them he explained how he had recieved numerous offers for advertising which he has turned down flat for obvious reasons. I actually wanted to talk about that, as I proffered in the thread, but kinda lost interest amidst the backlash.

[seemslikeadream]

I post links to CounterPunch when they are fundraising

I post links to Alternet when they are fundraising

I post links to Truthout when they are fundraising

I post links to Anti-War when they are fundraising

I post links to Truthdig when they are fundraising

I am not fundraising for any of them

[JackRiddler]

Oh, really, enough. Who cares what his intent or state of mind is with regard to whether he's soliciting funds for Icke or not? The point is he's sold on Icke and pushing Icke (and related ilk) all the time, with a very clumsy cover of "gee golly whiz I saw something on the Internet and I wonder what you all think, I didn't even notice it was from Icke." And this is how I view sm and why I usually try to ignore him and wish there was a "nuclear ignore" function that would exclude him from threads I'm in. It's a trivial concern, however. It's like we're at a meeting to talk about the burning of the planet and the mass abuse of children, but half the time I'm more annoyed and distracted by the slow-witted guy with mild Tourettes who mumbles the same thing repeatedly while he eats some disgusting junk food in the back, smacking his lips in a loud and gross way that no one can quite manage to ignore. My desire to exclude him reflects extreme snobbery on my part. It's classist, elistist, probably ageist, maybe even speciesist (given the subject, and thus my possible status as a lizard king). It's un-Buddhist. Un-Zen. It's like if we lived next to a toxic waste site but instead of spending all my time trying to change that I was equally upset by a local graffiti artist with no aesthetic sense who scrawls ugly tags on the corner. Since sm's real effect is so trivial, if only we could ignore him, I wouldn't mind him at all if only he did something, anything constructive. Like he should send me 100 quid every week. Yeah, how about that? He can send me 100 quid every week, and so can the rest of you. Scratch that, the rest of you can just send me whatever you can, I want to encourage that at any price, and if you do I'll be very happy with all of you. It will finance my important work, which is unprecedented and definitely helping to save the world from future Jimmy Savilles or worse. I will send you a video update for every 10,000 quid you send me. Just think of it this way: There is a button in front of you. If you push it, you save a helpless animal from a cruel death, but you must send me a dollar. Do you send me the dollar, or do you kill the helpless animal? Goddamn you if you don't give the right answer!!!

[seemslikeadream]

you have no idea how many more times American Dream has brought up Icke than slim has.....no idea ....it is way way more and American Dream should be the one you are demanding to stop posting Icke shit


btw I NEVER BRING ICKE UP HERE AND I HAVE ASKED AMERICAN DREAM REPEATEDLY TO STOP

look to see just who starts Icke threads...it's AD

and there's a whole lot of shit you do not know about this situation so please stop pretending like you know it all

[brainpanhandler]

I post links to CounterPunch when they are fundraising

I post links to Alternet when they are fundraising

I post links to Truthout when they are fundraising

I post links to Anti-War when they are fundraising

I post links to Truthdig when they are fundraising

I am not fundraising for any of them

Yah but, slim linked to a fundraising page.

More info at the link

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-people-s-voice

Surely you see how that is different.

[seemslikeadream]

actually so did I...every time I posted a link to those sites when they were fundraising ...it was linking to a fundraising page

surely you see the sameness

[slimmouse]

Oh, really, enough. Who cares what his intent or state of mind is with regard to whether he's soliciting funds for Icke or not? The point is he's sold on Icke and pushing Icke (and related ilk) all the time, with a very clumsy cover of "gee golly whiz I saw something on the Internet and I wonder what you all think, I didn't even notice it was from Icke." And this is how I view sm and why I usually try to ignore him and wish there was a "nuclear ignore" function that would exclude him from threads I'm in. It's a trivial concern, however. It's like we're at a meeting to talk about the burning of the planet and the mass abuse of children, but half the time I'm more annoyed and distracted by the slow-witted guy with mild Tourettes who mumbles the same thing repeatedly while he eats some disgusting junk food in the back, smacking his lips in a loud and gross way that no one can quite manage to ignore. My desire to exclude him reflects extreme snobbery on my part. It's classist, elistist, probably ageist, maybe even speciesist (given the subject, and thus my possible status as a lizard king). It's un-Buddhist. Un-Zen. It's like if we lived next to a toxic waste site but instead of spending all my time trying to change that I was equally upset by a local graffiti artist with no aesthetic sense who scrawls ugly tags on the corner. Since sm's real effect is so trivial, if only we could ignore him, I wouldn't mind him at all if only he did something, anything constructive. Like he should send me 100 quid every week. Yeah, how about that? He can send me 100 quid every week, and so can the rest of you. Scratch that, the rest of you can just send me whatever you can, I want to encourage that at any price, and if you do I'll be very happy with all of you. It will finance my important work, which is unprecedented and definitely helping to save the world from future Jimmy Savilles or worse. I will send you a video update for every 10,000 quid you send me. Just think of it this way: There is a button in front of you. If you push it, you save a helpless animal from a cruel death, but you must send me a dollar. Do you send me the dollar, or do you kill the helpless animal? Goddamn you if you don't give the right answer!!!

The point being ? Please entertain me with another interesting critique. Im getting tempted to ask you for your bank details, in order to submit a donation.

[Belligerent Savant]

BPH, I wrote a considered reply when all the shite started getting thrown around here, explaining how it was a toss up between posting to the link, or posting to the website, cos I figured I would be duly damned either way, and decided to link to the project, although to be fair to me I ddi explicitly state in the OP that this was an Icke venture, and hence offered what I considered fair warniing.

All of the above notwithstanding If I seriously imagined for one minute that I would be soliciting funds for Icke by taking either course of action, then I would consider myself to be even more stupid than I sometimes am.

I mean seriously?

So... you did not hope that members here might contribute to The People's Voice?

A simple yes or no will do.

So the F what if he did? What's the worst possible outcome?

To be clear, any [or most] form of 'fund' solicitation should of course be frowned upon on this board. I think we can all agree to that.

But is there a growing concern that a certain amount of ICKE references may cause a sub-segment of RI readership to [gasp] begin visiting ICKE's site? OR -- dare I say -- consider purchasing one of his books??

If a board member -- or casual lurker -- happens to perform either of the above actions, what's the worst that can possibly happen? One would presume those who visit and/or dedicate any measurable amount of time on this board would have adequate insight -- or the appropriate amount of intel -- to decide for themselves how much of ICKE's content they may wish to subscribe to, if any at all. And even if they DON'T:

What is the trepidation about, essentially?

ICKE -- to me -- is of such minor consequence relative to SO MANY OTHER topics of interest, not only to this board, but to the world at large. But perhaps that's where I'm wrong. Perhaps ICKE holds far more influence over a substantial portion of the population than I may realize. Perhaps some of us tremble at the mere thought of what ICKE may choose to accomplish with this arsenal of vast influence.

Increase his book sales, for one.

The horror!

[seemslikeadream]

I also did not fundraise when I linked to
DISSIDENTVOICE

Common Dreams

CONSURTIUMNEWS

when they were fundraising

[seemslikeadream]

But is there a growing concern that a certain amount of ICKE references may cause a sub-segment of RI readership to [gasp] begin visiting ICKE's site? OR -- dare I say -- consider purchasing one of his books??

well that would be put on American Dream's shoulders because he mentions Icke more than everyone else put together here

[slimmouse]

Oh and BPH, what do you think of a free Internet TV show, that is free from all the mainstream constraints and BS, that along with selectively refusing lucrative sponsorship and adverstising contracts on principle, also isnt interested in any kind of investment capital, based on shares, which usually end up in all the wrong kinds of hands for all the reasons that are currently making this place the hell on earth that it is?

How we'd all like our mainstream media run or not?

A simple Yes or no will do.

[brainpanhandler]

actually so did I...every time I posted a link to those sites when they were fundraising ...it was linking to a fundraising page

surely you see the sameness

My apologies then.

When you wrote:

I post links to CounterPunch when they are fundraising

I post links to Alternet when they are fundraising

I post links to Truthout when they are fundraising

I post links to Anti-War when they are fundraising

I post links to Truthdig when they are fundraising

I am not fundraising for any of them

I misunderstood. I didn't understand that you meant you were linking directly to a fundraising page as Slim did.