Jeffrey Alan Lash

[tapitsbo]

Any connections between such a group and white nationalists (the latter are mentioned repeatedly in this thread) would be very edifying.

[PufPuf93]

Any connections between such a group and white nationalists (the latter are mentioned repeatedly in this thread) would be very edifying.

The who, what and why confusion is why I think a covert ops.

The seed, cover, and ultimate financial support of the covert ops would be from a compartmentalized partisan group and others involved NTK basis.

IMO a Turner Diaries revolution is not realistic; an organized domestic group could not arm competitively with LE and military. A better tactic would be for white nationalists (or other fringe group) to infiltrate LE and military and political and financial and private groups,

I can see white nationalists being used as a front, scapegoated, or being taken out by being deemed responsible.

[Rory]

In light of the recent discussion speculating on the purpose and meaning of this man and his guns.

http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/ ... etent.html

In today’s America, for example, the main power centers are found in what we may as well call the bureaucratic-industrial complex, the system of revolving-door relationships that connect big corporations, especially the major investment banks, with the major Federal bureaucracies, especially the Treasury and the Pentagon. There are other power centers as well—for example, the petroleum complex, which has its own ties to the Pentagon—which cooperate and compete by turns with the New York-DC axis of influence—and then there are pressure groups of many kinds, some more influential, some less, some reduced to the status of captive constituencies whose only role in the political process is to rally the vote every four years and have their agenda ignored by their supposed friends in office in between elections. The network of power centers, pressure groups, and captive constituencies that support the existing order of things is the real heart of political power, and it’s what has to be supplanted in order to bring systemic change.

Effective revolutionaries know that in order to overthrow the existing order of society, they have to put together a comparable network that will back them against the existing order, and grow it to the point that it starts attracting key power centers away from the network of the existing order. That’s a challenge, but not an impossible one. In any troubled society, there are always plenty of potential power centers that have been excluded from the existing order and its feeding trough, and are thus interested in backing a change that will give them the power they want and don’t have. In France before the Revolution, for example, there were plenty of wealthy middle-class people who were shut out of the political system by the aristocracy and the royal court, and the philosophes went out of their way to appeal to them and get their support—an easy job, since the philosophes and the nouveaux-riches shared similar backgrounds. That paid off handsomely once the crisis came.

In any society, troubled or not, there are also always pressure groups, plenty of them, that are interested in getting more access to the various goodies that power centers can dole out, and can be drawn into alliance with a rising protorevolutionary faction. The more completely the existing order of things has been delegitimized, the easier it is to build such alliances, and the alliances can in turn be used to feed the continuing process of delegitimization. Here again, as in the first stage of the process, violence is a hindrance rather than a help, and it’s best if the subject never even comes up for discussion; assembling the necessary network of alliances is much easier when nobody has yet had to face up to the tremendous risks involved in revolutionary violence.

By the time the endgame arrives, therefore, you’ve got an existing order that no longer commands the respect and loyalty of most of the population, and a substantial network of pressure groups and potential power centers supporting a revolutionary agenda. Once the situation reaches that stage, the question of how to arrange the transfer of power from the old regime to the new one is a matter of tactics, not strategy. Violence is only one of the available options, and again, it’s by no means always the most useful one. There are many ways to break the existing order’s last fingernail grip on the institutions of power, once that grip has been loosened by the steps already mentioned.

...

What makes the failure of the climate change movement so telling is that during the same years that it peaked and crashed, another movement has successfully conducted a prerevolutionary campaign of the classic sort here in the US. While the green Left has been spinning its wheels and setting itself up for failure, the populist Right has carried out an extremely effective program of delegitimization aimed at the federal government and, even more critically, the institutions and values that support it. Over the last fifteen years or so, very largely as a result of that program, a great many Americans have gone from an ordinary, healthy distrust of politicians to a complete loss of faith in the entire American project. To a remarkable extent, the sort of rock-ribbed middle Americans who used to insist that of course the American political system is the best in the world are now convinced that the American political system is their enemy, and the enemy of everything they value.

The second stage of the prerevolutionary process, the weaving of a network of alliances with pressure groups and potential power centers, is also well under way. Watch which groups are making common cause with one another on the rightward fringes of society these days and you can see a competent revolutionary strategy at work. This isn’t something I find reassuring—quite the contrary, in fact; aside from my own admittedly unfashionable feelings of patriotism, one consistent feature of revolutions is that the government that comes into power after the shouting and the shooting stop is always more repressive than the one that was in power beforehand. Still, the way things are going, it seems likely to me that the US will see the collapse of its current system of government, probably accompanied with violent revolution or civil war, within a decade or two.

[Luther Blissett]

A better tactic would be for white nationalists (or other fringe group) to infiltrate LE and military and political and financial and private groups

100% currently happening.

[Elvis]

Were the guns Lash bought especially good bargains? Or did he pay 'full freight' retail?

I'm thinking maybe Lash was just a gun nut, ya know? Owning "tons" of ammunition along with 2,500 firearms doesn't sound like a gun collector, as was pointed out earlier, but kinda fits the profile, if there is one, of a gun nut.

(I say "gun nut" with equal parts derision and affection. Also, I might be stretching it, but think a distinction exists between gun collectors and gun nuts --slightly different animals, with plenty of shared qualities among individuals of the two types.)

Is there an inventory of the firearms? That might yeild some clues.


Following this thread with interest -- thanks for all the contributions.

[PufPuf93]

A better tactic would be for white nationalists (or other fringe group) to infiltrate LE and military and political and financial and private groups

100% currently happening.

Oath Keepers for one.

IMO the Oath Keepers are more fringe than they want to be and are a favor of now rather than a group that will endure.

While Hillary Clinton was my least favorite Democratic Party candidate in 2008 and is for the upcoming election cycle, Clinton is not Hitler. The Oath Keepers are analogous to the German Brown Shirts of the 1930s. I would not like for the Oath Keepers to bond with a strong political leader.

Official Site: http://oathkeepers.org/oktester/

Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_Keepers

Oath Keepers is an American organization associated with the patriot movement, which encourages members—some of whom are said to be current and former U.S. military and law enforcement—to disobey any orders they believe violate the Constitution. The group is best known for its controversial presence in Ferguson during protests and unrest in the city, and during which its members were armed with M-15 rifles[1] and referred to as a far-right militia group.[2][3][4][5]

The organization describes itself as a non-partisan association of current and formerly serving military, police, and first responders, who pledge to fulfill the oath all military and police take to “defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.” Anyone not belonging to one of these organisations can join if they support its mission.[6]

Organizational History

Oath Keepers was founded in March 2009 by Stewart Rhodes.[7][8] Rhodes is a Yale Law School graduate, a former US Army paratrooper, and a former staffer of Congressman Ron Paul.[9]

Rhodes is reported to have taken inspiration from the idea that Hitler could have been stopped if German soldiers and police had refused to follow orders.[10] In this same context, Stewart has compared Hillary Clinton to Hitler, writing in S.W.A.T. Magazine in 2008, '“It” (a full-blown totalitarian police state) cannot happen here if the majority of police and soldiers obey their oaths to defend the Constitution and refuse to enforce the unconstitutional edicts of the "Leader." Imagine that Herr Hitlery is sworn in as president in 2009. After a conveniently timed “domestic terrorism” incident (just a coincidence, of course) or yet another Prozac induced mass shooting, she promptly crams a United Nations mandated, Great Britain style, total ban on the private possession of firearms through a compliant, Democratically controlled Congress.'[11]


Membership[edit]

The organization claims on its website that full membership is open to "currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, police, fire-fighters, other first responders (i.e. State Guard, Sheriff Posse/Auxilliary, Search & Rescue, EMT, other medical 1st responders, etc.) AND veterans/former members of those services," and that others who support the organization's mission can become associate members.[6] The organization claims to have up to 30,000 members, though its critics have questioned this figure.[12]

[coffin_dodger]

If Lash really were affiliated with a right-wing group, would it not be in the best interest of the supposedly left-leaning government of the US to trumpet this fact from the rooftops? An ideal opportunity to praise the security services - that are so vital to protecting us all - for thwarting a potential domestic terrorist threat? A perfect time in the election cycle to raise the spectre of the right-wing bogeyman ever higher?

But of course, I forget - they have no need to. We can do that all by ourselves.

[tapitsbo]

I was referring to any possible (counterintuitive) link between zionist and white nationalist groups since they'd both been mentioned in connection to this case.

[Searcher08]

I wonder if there might be some connection with these folks...


http://www.illumemag.com/zine/articl...cs-to-US-13281 (dead link)

Our agenda is to protect Jews wherever and whenever necessary and by any means needed


Using West Bank settlements’ paramilitary organizations as a model, a group of Israeli Defence Force (IDF) veterans have formed a "paramilitary emergency armed response team." In response to an attack on a Jewish synagogue in Seattle, some American veterans of the IDF formed Kitat Konenut New York in the summer of 2006. Kitat Konenut (Hebrew for “Rapid Response Team”) now also has a chapter in Los Angeles and training camps in the Catskills and Arizona.

"Our agenda is to protect Jews wherever and whenever necessary and by any means needed," said Yonatan Stern, a founder of Kitat Konenut New York, in 2008. "The average American is friendly to Jews, but we're worried about those individuals on the periphery of society."

West Bank “Rapid Response Teams” are frequently first responders for terrorist attacks and other emergencies. Kitat Konenut New York aims to bring that kind of activity to protect American Jewish communities against perceived threats. The paramilitary group’s website lists a variety of Islamist, Neo-Nazi, and Marxist organizations as threats to American Jews, and even the antiwar, near-pacifist organization Code Pink.

Fear of terrorism seems to be the chief force motivating the self-declared religious-Zionist paramilitary network.

“I’m scared. I’m scared for myself when I go to work. But I’m scared even more for my family when I’m not home to protect them,” says Scott Brown, explaining why he was training with Kitat Konenut New York. “There are many threats. A high profile one as of late would be Islamic extremism,” says Aron, another trainee.

“Terrorism is directed against the Jewish people all across the world. We know we are a target. If you just look at history, look at recent events,” Stern said in a recent interview.

Kitat Konenut New York trains its members and others in a full spectrum of military tactics, using Israeli UZIs and civilian versions of the US military’s M-16 assault rifle. They also go on endurance marches and learn first aid.

To date, Kitat Konenut New York has not been involved in any violent actions, defensive or otherwise. But one critic says that they are creating a potentially dangerous situation.

“Once people are ready for action, somehow action finds them,” says Danny Schechter, a television producer, independent filmmaker, blogger, and media critic. “You begin to see all Muslims as Osama Bin Laden and you act accordingly, and mostly it's not true,” he says. “In the end, I think, it really doesn't contribute to security, it makes people more insecure.”

Last updated: Sep 4, 2010

[coffin_dodger]

I was referring to any possible (counterintuitive) link between zionist and white nationalist groups since they'd both been mentioned in connection to this case.

I apologise if you thought that my comment was directed at you - it wasn't, it was a general observation.

[PufPuf93]

I was referring to any possible (counterintuitive) link between zionist and white nationalist groups since they'd both been mentioned in connection to this case.

I apologise if you thought that my comment was directed at you - it wasn't, it was a general observation.

I responded to Tapitsbo's post and did not grok on train of thought.

Then the article subsequently posted on Jewish militias training in forests in the style of rw militias which was surprising to me and counterintuitive.

Looks like convergent evolution rather than an actual link as white nationalist groups often have an element of anti-Semitism.

Could be wrong as nothing much surprises now.

[tapitsbo]

yeah the article didn't make sense to me either.

my original comments were supposed to be on topic with the thread - there was a link between people directly involved in the Lash case and zionist groups

yet the thread was full of people trying to tie the case to white nationalists (maybe correctly)

the overt animosity of such groups against each other no doubt does conceal certain convergences, which could no doubt be interesting to understand better

[PufPuf93]

I don't think it likely there is a white nationalist connection unless a plan or contingent opportunity to scapegoat or use them as a front in some manner by counter-intelligence.

The topic of Zionist groups (evidently Lash was Jewish) is dicey and I am uncomfortable to discuss but also do not think are involved in this case.

I do think MOSSAD is capable of manipulating white nationalists.

[cptmarginal]

yet the thread was full of people trying to tie the case to white nationalists (maybe correctly)

Well really that was pretty much all me, and I do consider that to be confirmation bias on my part. I realize that there's essentially nothing to prove anything of that sort. It's just that when I see "guns cache" I think "right-wing underground" - and so then to see the background of his lawyer immediately after that set me off. Also, the concept of half-alien super people is straight out of a very familiar playbook. Such as that of John Lash, who I posted about upthread, or Karen Hudes for that matter for another recent version. May as well toss in Bramley and Icke too - there are really so many to choose from.

"...the supernatural factor behind this plan, an archontic force at play that has infected a specific race who are serving as proxies of the Archons."

Make sure to look at the damn silly picture for that interview.

I suppose in a sense this is all like an odd modern variation on the quite old idea of "the Secret Chiefs" that live among us, but much stupider. The fact of black budget intelligence officers actively trying over many years to inculcate in UFO researchers and government employees a belief in human-alien hybrids is definitely pause-worthy. There seems to be something more to that long history of disinformation than just "a mirage to fool the KGB about Air Force capabilities" or whatever.

the overt animosity of such groups against each other no doubt does conceal certain convergences, which could no doubt be interesting to understand better

Yeah, you're likely right. It's quite interesting that the American intelligence establishment and their allies are responsible on the one hand for sustaining and organizing a tremendous post-war right-wing (Nazi) underground worldwide, and then on the other hand are also deeply affiliated with the Israeli secret services and military. Just look at Iran-Contra, that was a whole mess of supposedly contradictory beliefs among all of the players. Business as usual, but still pretty fucking crazy.

Anyway, regardless of the fact that this may be of no actual relevance to whatever this Lash incident was about, there is indeed a huge amount of anti-Semitism associated with right-wingers in America. There was a whole series of events in the 90s facilitated by groups such as the World Church of the Creator et al. Burning synagogues, attacks on infrastructure in California, letter-bombs.

[PufPuf93]

yet the thread was full of people trying to tie the case to white nationalists (maybe correctly)

Yeah, you're likely right. It's quite interesting that the American intelligence establishment and their allies are responsible on the one hand for sustaining and organizing a tremendous post-war right-wing (Nazi) underground worldwide, and then on the other hand are also deeply affiliated with the Israeli secret services and military. Just look at Iran-Contra, that was a whole mess of supposedly contradictory beliefs among all of the players. Business as usual, but still pretty fucking crazy.

Anyway, regardless of the fact that this may be of no actual relevance to whatever this Lash incident was about, there is indeed a huge amount of anti-Semitism associated with right-wingers in America. There was a whole series of events in the 90s facilitated by groups such as the World Church of the Creator et al. Burning synagogues, attacks on infrastructure in California, letter-bombs.

I maybe can explain the support of contradictory beliefs. The contradictory support is a tactic of counter intelligence to control the narrative from both extremes. Infiltration and even authoring the narrative of the extremes also defines the extremes and is as such a method of control as well as intelligence. Often at a higher level there is benefit to controlling parties to have extremists and all the better the more flavors of extremists.

I was living in Redding CA in 1999 when the Williams brothers murdered Gary Matson and Win Mowder and burned three synagogues in Sacramento. I had met Gary socially on several occasions and had spoken to Win as Orchard Supply was the nearest hardware/garden store to both my home and office. The social connection to Gary came because I knew his exe-wife Marcia from doings over the Turtle Bay Center circa 1990.

The Williams Brothers had a connection radical Christian groups including the World Church of the Creator. The brothers are almost a case study in what can go wrong with heavy indoctrination beginning with home schooling.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of ... eld_Mowder

What doesn't show is that the head of North Valley Baptist Church and the President of Simpson College (Redding's 4 year college albeit Christian Fundies and there is now a Chico State branch campus there) had initial responses to the murder tragedies that were highly inappropriate that were walked back several days later.

Aside: I bought used a two year old Jeep Grand Cherokee that was a trade-in from the President of Simpson College several years later and almost backed out of the deal when I realized the prior owner.

Redding is a very conservative and Christian area for California, when I was there I felt the necessity to dampen my own perceptions as a standard practice. The only place I've ever lived that I felt that way.