Agent Orange Cooper » Fri Apr 08, 2016 1:50 pm wrote:Iamwhomiam » Thu Apr 07, 2016 11:50 pm wrote:Are you one of those deniers who claims there is no warming or changing climate, that it's all a fraud, or are you of the type who accept our climate is changing and our world is warming, but not due to anthropogenic causes, but due to some other reason, like being caused by our Sun?
Yeah I'm closer to the latter camp, though not exactly. I think it's obvious that the "climate" is "changing." I'm kind of expecting another ice age fairly soon to be honest. I'm not denying the possibility that it is being driven by humans, but I doubt very much that it is happening the way Al Gore and the UN's international consortium of science™ has so helpfully explained it. The reasons are likely far more complex, and sinister, than excess CO2. They've been mucking around with geo-engineering tech for decades now, I have no trouble believing that altering the planet's atmosphere has had some effect on the Sun in turn.
the Sun may be a living being for all I know, literally responding to human activity in conscious fashion (like, Sun: hey, what the fuck Earth, why are you heating up your own ionosphere? that's kind of annoying Earth: it's these humans they've figured out how to mess with the atmosphere, I can't seem to get rid of them Sun: oh ok let me take care of that. this may hurt *belch*). that one's pretty out there though.
At the end of the day I'm concerned with questioning all media-driven narratives, which is what "global warming" has always been.
AOC, I'm kind of wondering why you skipped by my first question without answering - it's kinda important you explain yourself so we can have a constructive discussion, but I thank you for answering my second question, which I'll now respond to.
I'm glad to see you admit our climate is changing, as many deniers believe such claims to be nothing more than lies propagated by those mysterious PTB working towards establishing a one world government. Yes, our climate is changing rapidly, more rapidly than ever before in the history of civilization.
Solar scientists have reported no aberrations in the energy the Earth receives from the Sun, which does vary, to account for our warming seas and atmosphere, so although it would seem a likely choice to blame the Sun as the source of our abnormal warming, however, it is not, nor is the Sun the cause for our warming planet.
All the evidence so far gathered pretty much guarantees we will not be seeing any global cooling for thousands of years.
In fact, it was in the late 1960s when the expected cooling was to begin that we first noticed the impacts of anthropogenic emissions instead were warming our planet.
"I'm not denying the possibility that it is being driven by humans, but I doubt very much that it is happening the way Al Gore and the UN's international consortium of science™ has so helpfully explained it."
I really don't understand this. I don't listen to Al Gore at all and if you're referring to the IPCC as the "UN's international consortium of science™," I believe Dr. Evil has addressed the point. I mean no offense, but I doubt you've ever examined a single document of the many synthesis reports, which is understandable considering your opinion as I understand it.
The tiny bit of geoengineering of our atmosphere over the decades is insignificant and could not be a cause of the overall warming we're experiencing. And the Earth cannot influence the Sun's fusion behavior.
But if you want to go all Buddhist on me, it's all in your mind - your entire reality is but an illusion. Mine, too.
"At the end of the day I'm concerned with questioning [i]all media-driven narratives, which is what "global warming" has always been."[/i]
Well, no it hasn't been that at all, but that's exactly what the Koch Bros. money has done to convince people it has been.
And this is where they got you: "The reasons are likely far more complex, and sinister, than excess CO2."
Excess CO2? Please explain. We're right back to the importance of answering my first question, "What are you referring to specifically, as being "carbon BS", AOC?"
Most people who do not believe climate change is caused by human activity do not understand why Carbon Dioxide is used as a measure when gauging a chemical compound's warming potential. It is simply a baseline. It does not necessarily mean CO2 gas. Other chemicals have thousands of times the warming potential of carbon dioxide and last for thousands of years in our environment, like sulfuryl fluoride, a fumigant used on foods. Common chimney soot, also, for example, known as carbon black.
The Draft Inventory of US Greenhouse Gas Emissions and Sinks: 1990-2014, was released in February:
https://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/usinventoryreport.html
https://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/science/indicators/ghg/
Salt water from rising seas are salinating rice paddies, killing the crops. Mitigation efforts should not be initiated and those that have begun should be abandoned as insufficient and coastline population centers should be moved inland to high ground.
). I'm telling you what I think, but don't expect me to have any shred of respect for your opinions because so far they boil down to hand-waving about the UN, Al Gore, a sentient star and a breakaway civilization. Come up with an actual sensible, non-stupid explanation for why I'm wrong and I'm happy to listen. I would love for AGW to just go away.