Fuck Ron Paul

[theeKultleeder]

Didn't we wipe out polio with vaccinations? Does it always have to be all or nothing?

[11:11]

Didn't we wipe out polio with vaccinations? Does it always have to be all or nothing?

It's not about all or nothing, it's about freedom to choose. You want a polio vaccine, you should be free to get it. Don't want one, no public health agenda should force you.

BTW, polio vaccines are (and all vaccines) are controversial, to say the least.

[chlamor]

Didn't we wipe out polio with vaccinations? Does it always have to be all or nothing?

This is largely a myth.

"It is commonly believed that the Salk vaccine was responsible for halting the polio epidemics that plagued American children in the 1940s and 1950s. If so, why did the epidemics also end in Europe, where polio vaccine was not so extensively used?" -- Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D.

Don't want to go into an entire sub-thread on this topic but as I understand it Salk himself accepted the fact that his vaccine occurred at the same time as polio was in decline and that the vaccine itself was not the miracle that it was being touted as. There is also much debate as to the possibility that what was once considered and diagnosed as polio now often goes under the heading of meningitis. Add to this the evidence that Salk's vaccine only fared well against the least common of the three types of polio and was considered ineffective against the two most common types. Anyway there is a mountain of information on this.

[nomo]

Bring this thread back ON TOPIC:

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The Case Against Ron Paul
Some things you should know before you canonize the guy.
by bbstucco

Ron Paul is a douche bag.

I say this not from any factual knowledge, but rather from an impression gained from observation. It has been remarked that Ron Paul resembles a simple bag that could be used to hold water suitable for douching. I also read somewhere on the Internet that Ron Paul was helpful in relieving vaginal irritation. So upon these to elements of heresy, I have concluded that Ron Paul is a douche bag.

This is the only non-factual piece of information you will read in this post.

The truth of the matter is, Ron Paul is, in some corners of the Net, the second coming of Gandhi, FDR, and George Washington all rolled into one. While I understand a Republican's need to find someone who is not intrinsically evil to get behind in their primary, much of this Saint Paul crap comes from Democrats.

That's just wrong.

Most of this praise is for his stance on Iraq. He hates it, thinks we should get out. When placed on stage and surrounded by Republicans, he stands out as someone who has a brain in their head. It's refreshing, it's appealing, it's mesmerizing.

You want to vote for him. He's so dashing. The way he says the War on Terror's a bunch of B.S. You just want to scoop him up and take him home for some serious cuddling. Tel me again, Ron Paul, how much Bush has destroyed our nation with his war. And you're a Republican? Oooooo. Now I'm getting frisky.

What he's doing is, in fact, brilliant. He's the ONLY Republican Candidate against the war. In doing so, he's created a very obvious line between himself and he fellow GOPers. He's banking on the war being so unbelievably unpopular, that enough Repubs vote for him just to get out of the war, and then in the general, his War stance would take away one of the Democrat's most glaring strengths. If it works, it's genius.

But when you rub off the fine sheen of the War, you might be surprised at what lies beneath.

So I thought I'd do a little research and bring a few matters to your attention. Because when all is said and done, you can learn a lot more about a candidate from what he's done, rather than listening to what he's saying.

Let's start with his little pet project. Every politician has one. The one issue that means something personal to them, so they go out of their way to push for that particular special interest all the live long day. One guy may have hunted quail with his Daddy, so he loves the NRA. Another may have rehabilitated injured llamas as a kid, so he loves animals, and votes to protect them no matter what. For some it's the mountains they grew up in, or the river they fished in. Or maybe their own mother was adopted, so they now champion adoption issues.

Based on Ron Paul's pet project, I'm betting he used to drive a car.

Because he loves oil.

Oh my God, does he love oil.

Wisco gave us a great expose on Ron Paul's ties to oil in his own Ron Paul guide, Ron Paul is not the Second Coming. The whole thing is worth a look, but I just want to highlight some of the, err... highlights.

He wants to drill in ANWR.
He doesn't want to increase gas mileage standards.
He wants to allow new offshore drilling.
He wants to protect oil companies from contamination lawsuits.
He wants to stop having oil companies pay royalties for drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

Oh, and did I mention he thinks Global Warming is for sissies?

"Fear is constantly generated by politicians to rally the support of the people. Environmentalists go back and forth, from warning about a coming ice age to arguing the grave dangers of global warming." -June 29, 2006, in a speech before the U.S. House of Representatives.

He's not an environmentalist.

Also in that article, you can learn all about how Ron Paul thinks Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided. He even went so far to sponsor legislation that states that "human life shall be deemed to exist from conception."

What about some other issues? OK. Let's look.

I'm a big fan of the separation of church and state. It's one of the founding principles of America. Ron Paul? Wants that wall torn down and the individual bricks used to build a monument to Jesus.

He wrote a lovely article called "Christmas in Secular America" that sounds like it's straight out of Bill O'Reilly's ridiculous War on Christmas playbook. My favorite quote from his article:

"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance."

Uhhmm.. no. They didn't. They most specifically DID NOT envision churches as eclipsing the state in importance. This is someone you want to put in charge of our country?

Oh, and if you don't agree with him, if you think we should have the ability to cry foul when government institutions are violating the establishment clause and pushing Jesus (or even one particular version of Jesus) on you? Ron Paul thinks you should go defibrillate yourself with a Jiggly Monkey Man Vibrating Dildo- now with extra lube! He introduced a bill in the house that would stop the federal courts from even hearing such cases.

Can you say Theocracy? Ron Paul would like to.

As a Republican, he naturally hates immigrants. Voting with them when they road the xenophobic train-wreck off the cliff. But Ron Paul wants to bring the crazy and go one step further. He wants a Constitutional Amendment that repeals the Fourteenth Amendment's birthright citizenship right. So even if you're born here, you're an illegal.

Way to court the Latin vote, Ron!

What about other non-white people? Well, let's look at Darfur. You know, that whole genocide thing? Ron's had some things to say about it. Mostly, Not Our Problem. On one hand, that is consistent with his libertarian leanings that believe that we shouldn't interfere anywhere. So I suppose he gets props for that. But take a look at his impassioned plea to, basically, ignore Darfur. How many times do you find the word "genocide" in there? What? None? You mean there's no genocide at all? It's all one big Civil War? Huh. No wonder we don't have to do anything about it.

He wants us out of the United Nations. Thinks it’s a waste of our time. Remember, the few Libertarian leanings he has lead him to the grand conclusion that we should ignore the rest of the world. They're not American, so who gives a flying crap about them?

But does he care about Americans?

Well, no. Did you know he voted for that really awesome Bankruptcy bill that got shoved through Congress, saving the poor, dying credit card companies from having to help as many people? He also protected companies near and far by voting to make it harder to file a class-action lawsuit.

So actually, he does care about Americans, if they have a lot of money. And especially if they are a part of that special pet project close to his heart. Oil.

There's a ton more out there for you to find and enjoy. I haven't touched on his cringing stances on gay rights, civil rights, social security (Go Privatization!), veterans care, and much, much more. Plus, order today and you'll receive this handy-dandy dismissal of campaign finance reform! My point is Ron Paul, while speaking lovely dulcet tones on the War in Iraq, is still a pretty damn conservative Republican. Oh sure, he was the Libertarian Party's 1988 Presidential Candidate, but he's only Libertarian until their position begins to bump and grind down a progressive path, then he's all conservative, all the time.

And he's a total douche bag.

[ninakat]

Thanks nomo -- that's the best one yet for exposing the real Ron Paul. Hey, and the author even used sarcasm in a useful way!

[overcoming hope]

Bring this thread back ON TOPIC:

http://www.thisisby.us/index.php/conten ... t_ron_paul

The Case Against Ron Paul
Some things you should know before you canonize the guy.
by bbstucco

Ron Paul is a douche bag.

I say this not from any factual knowledge, but rather from an impression gained from observation. It has been remarked that Ron Paul resembles a simple bag that could be used to hold water suitable for douching. I also read somewhere on the Internet that Ron Paul was helpful in relieving vaginal irritation. So upon these to elements of heresy, I have concluded that Ron Paul is a douche bag.

This is the only non-factual piece of information you will read in this post.

The truth of the matter is, Ron Paul is, in some corners of the Net, the second coming of Gandhi, FDR, and George Washington all rolled into one. While I understand a Republican's need to find someone who is not intrinsically evil to get behind in their primary, much of this Saint Paul crap comes from Democrats.

That's just wrong.

Most of this praise is for his stance on Iraq. He hates it, thinks we should get out. When placed on stage and surrounded by Republicans, he stands out as someone who has a brain in their head. It's refreshing, it's appealing, it's mesmerizing.

You want to vote for him. He's so dashing. The way he says the War on Terror's a bunch of B.S. You just want to scoop him up and take him home for some serious cuddling. Tel me again, Ron Paul, how much Bush has destroyed our nation with his war. And you're a Republican? Oooooo. Now I'm getting frisky.

What he's doing is, in fact, brilliant. He's the ONLY Republican Candidate against the war. In doing so, he's created a very obvious line between himself and he fellow GOPers. He's banking on the war being so unbelievably unpopular, that enough Repubs vote for him just to get out of the war, and then in the general, his War stance would take away one of the Democrat's most glaring strengths. If it works, it's genius.

But when you rub off the fine sheen of the War, you might be surprised at what lies beneath.

So I thought I'd do a little research and bring a few matters to your attention. Because when all is said and done, you can learn a lot more about a candidate from what he's done, rather than listening to what he's saying.

Let's start with his little pet project. Every politician has one. The one issue that means something personal to them, so they go out of their way to push for that particular special interest all the live long day. One guy may have hunted quail with his Daddy, so he loves the NRA. Another may have rehabilitated injured llamas as a kid, so he loves animals, and votes to protect them no matter what. For some it's the mountains they grew up in, or the river they fished in. Or maybe their own mother was adopted, so they now champion adoption issues.

Based on Ron Paul's pet project, I'm betting he used to drive a car.

Because he loves oil.

Oh my God, does he love oil.

Wisco gave us a great expose on Ron Paul's ties to oil in his own Ron Paul guide, Ron Paul is not the Second Coming. The whole thing is worth a look, but I just want to highlight some of the, err... highlights.

He wants to drill in ANWR.
He doesn't want to increase gas mileage standards.
He wants to allow new offshore drilling.
He wants to protect oil companies from contamination lawsuits.
He wants to stop having oil companies pay royalties for drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

Oh, and did I mention he thinks Global Warming is for sissies?

"Fear is constantly generated by politicians to rally the support of the people. Environmentalists go back and forth, from warning about a coming ice age to arguing the grave dangers of global warming." -June 29, 2006, in a speech before the U.S. House of Representatives.

He's not an environmentalist.

Also in that article, you can learn all about how Ron Paul thinks Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided. He even went so far to sponsor legislation that states that "human life shall be deemed to exist from conception."

What about some other issues? OK. Let's look.

I'm a big fan of the separation of church and state. It's one of the founding principles of America. Ron Paul? Wants that wall torn down and the individual bricks used to build a monument to Jesus.

He wrote a lovely article called "Christmas in Secular America" that sounds like it's straight out of Bill O'Reilly's ridiculous War on Christmas playbook. My favorite quote from his article:

"The Founding Fathers envisioned a robustly Christian yet religiously tolerant America, with churches serving as vital institutions that would eclipse the state in importance."

Uhhmm.. no. They didn't. They most specifically DID NOT envision churches as eclipsing the state in importance. This is someone you want to put in charge of our country?

Oh, and if you don't agree with him, if you think we should have the ability to cry foul when government institutions are violating the establishment clause and pushing Jesus (or even one particular version of Jesus) on you? Ron Paul thinks you should go defibrillate yourself with a Jiggly Monkey Man Vibrating Dildo- now with extra lube! He introduced a bill in the house that would stop the federal courts from even hearing such cases.

Can you say Theocracy? Ron Paul would like to.

As a Republican, he naturally hates immigrants. Voting with them when they road the xenophobic train-wreck off the cliff. But Ron Paul wants to bring the crazy and go one step further. He wants a Constitutional Amendment that repeals the Fourteenth Amendment's birthright citizenship right. So even if you're born here, you're an illegal.

Way to court the Latin vote, Ron!

What about other non-white people? Well, let's look at Darfur. You know, that whole genocide thing? Ron's had some things to say about it. Mostly, Not Our Problem. On one hand, that is consistent with his libertarian leanings that believe that we shouldn't interfere anywhere. So I suppose he gets props for that. But take a look at his impassioned plea to, basically, ignore Darfur. How many times do you find the word "genocide" in there? What? None? You mean there's no genocide at all? It's all one big Civil War? Huh. No wonder we don't have to do anything about it.

He wants us out of the United Nations. Thinks it’s a waste of our time. Remember, the few Libertarian leanings he has lead him to the grand conclusion that we should ignore the rest of the world. They're not American, so who gives a flying crap about them?

But does he care about Americans?

Well, no. Did you know he voted for that really awesome Bankruptcy bill that got shoved through Congress, saving the poor, dying credit card companies from having to help as many people? He also protected companies near and far by voting to make it harder to file a class-action lawsuit.

So actually, he does care about Americans, if they have a lot of money. And especially if they are a part of that special pet project close to his heart. Oil.

There's a ton more out there for you to find and enjoy. I haven't touched on his cringing stances on gay rights, civil rights, social security (Go Privatization!), veterans care, and much, much more. Plus, order today and you'll receive this handy-dandy dismissal of campaign finance reform! My point is Ron Paul, while speaking lovely dulcet tones on the War in Iraq, is still a pretty damn conservative Republican. Oh sure, he was the Libertarian Party's 1988 Presidential Candidate, but he's only Libertarian until their position begins to bump and grind down a progressive path, then he's all conservative, all the time.

And he's a total douche bag.

the "ron paul loves oil' part is BULLSHIT! he is the only one who wants to end oil subsidies. The writer is ignorant, and NOMO you are one ignorant motherfucker too.

Ron Paul Fuck!

he's not going any where losers, prepare to pissed off all the way to election day.

Excuse me, I'm going to go out and interact with the real world now. Fucking ignorant motherfuckers. take a look. it's in a book. it's reading rainbow!

[overcoming hope]

Thanks nomo -- that's the best one yet for exposing the real Ron Paul. Hey, and the author even used sarcasm in a useful way!

RON PAUL WANTS TO END OIL SUBSIDIES, you ignorant fuck.

(since our very talented host Jeff becomes completely inarticulate when writing about Ron Paul, and instead gives us 'Fuck Ron Paul', on a regular basis, then I see no reason not to degrade the conversation by calling Nomo, Ninkat, and Jeff 3 ignorant motherfuckers.)

Peace

[nomo]

Thanks nomo -- that's the best one yet for exposing the real Ron Paul. Hey, and the author even used sarcasm in a useful way!

RON PAUL WANTS TO END OIL SUBSIDIES, you ignorant fuck.

(since our very talented host Jeff becomes completely inarticulate when writing about Ron Paul, and instead gives us 'Fuck Ron Paul', on a regular basis, then I see no reason not to degrade the conversation by calling Nomo, Ninkat, and Jeff 3 ignorant motherfuckers.)

Peace

You seem entirely representative of the Ron Paul supporters I've met: unwilling to confront the fact that your guy is still a Republican and as such will ALWAYS put the corporations over the common guy. Oh, and you also have that annoying habit of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "I can't hear you".

As the article I posted suggested, look at what the man has done, not at what he says he'll do. No matter what he promises, his track record proves that he's nothing but a wolf in a very cheap sheep's outfit.


On edit: your username seems very, very appropriate, sad to say.

[overcoming hope]

Thanks nomo -- that's the best one yet for exposing the real Ron Paul. Hey, and the author even used sarcasm in a useful way!

RON PAUL WANTS TO END OIL SUBSIDIES, you ignorant fuck.

(since our very talented host Jeff becomes completely inarticulate when writing about Ron Paul, and instead gives us 'Fuck Ron Paul', on a regular basis, then I see no reason not to degrade the conversation by calling Nomo, Ninkat, and Jeff 3 ignorant motherfuckers.)

Peace

You seem entirely representative of the Ron Paul supporters I've met: unwilling to confront the fact that your guy is still a Republican and as such will ALWAYS put the corporations over the common guy. Oh, and you also have that annoying habit of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "I can't hear you".

As the article I posted suggested, look at what the man has done, not at what he says he'll do. No matter what he promises, his track record proves that he's nothing but a wolf in a very cheap sheep's outfit.


On edit: your username seems very, very appropriate, sad to say.

The idea that Ron Paul champions corporations is getting old. It seems that everyone realizes this except the corporations themselves.

I don't want a national identification card. I don't want the patriot act. I don't want to bomb Iran. I want to get rid of the Federal Reserve.

Who else can I support on even one of those issues? Kucinich, and Gravel won't be running in 2008. do I just not participate? Protest vote? leave the country? write subversive graffitti in the bathrooms? call into c-span and give em' an earfull? letters to the editor?

[orz]

Prediction!: In the spectacularly unlikely (because you can't Freep the actual vote like you can internet polls,... but They can hack it) event that Ron Paul becomes president, he won't actually do many the good things he says he wants to, especially the more OTT things like getting rid of the Federal Reserve.

[theeKultleeder]

Okay, so not all of Billy Manes' writing sucks.

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/features/s ... p?id=11882


Invasion of the Paul Heads

10/11/2007



All those crazy signs, explained



By Billy Manes

Sign, sign, everywhere a sign. Peppering the Lake Highland Preparatory School stretch of Marks Street – 10 feet up off the ground on wooden power poles – blue-and-white propaganda placards beseech drivers to consider Ron Paul for president. Out by the University of Central Florida, homemade stenciled signs clutter a median, suggesting that passersby “Google Ron Paul.” At the busy downtown intersection of Livingston Street and Orange Avenue, a banner wraps around a construction fence declaring a “Ron Paul Revolution,” only the “evol” is reversed and colored red to suggest “love.”

Desperate times apparently call for desperate measures.

“The country is in very serious trouble,” says Nick Egoroff, Orlando Ron Paul 2008 Meetup Group organizer. “Using the word ‘revolution’ is really not out in left field. What we want to accomplish is of course peaceful activism, but, yes, we do revolutionary things. When you go up to a stranger and say, ‘Have you heard about Ron Paul? Would you like a piece of literature?’ That’s kind of revolutionary! Hey, you know, that’s what the country needs and that’s what the country was founded on.”

But the Florida Republican primary is still more than three months away, a fact that places all the Ron Paul guerilla campaigning tactics in legally questionable territory. Political signage is against city and county codes more than 90 days before an election and 10 days after.

Codes aside, there’s the question of how conservatives will react to a seeming lunatic fringe that’s calling for a “revolution”? Conventional logic says not very well. But logic isn’t really at play among Paul supporters. (The website Wonkette.com refers to them as “Paultards.”)

These are viral, grass-roots times for the Paul camp. Just last week they reported raising $5.1 million in the last quarter, which puts them in league with the foundering John McCain campaign. Even though Paul is a running joke in a troubled Republican Party, the 72-year-old’s anti-war, anti-tax, anti-big government stance is finding traction among the conservative/libertarian fringes.

His website, www.ronpaul2008.com, directs potential supporters to Meetup.com to hook up with the like-minded. There are over 250 members in the Orlando Ron Paul Meetup group. It’s a savvy way of getting the word out without having to spend that precious campaign cash. Supporters pay for their own signs – they can cost $3 each with metal stakes, less than $2 without – and those signs officially deny any attachment to any campaign.

“Ron Paul is the spokesman of course for his campaign, but he understands what’s happening in the campaign and in the country right now is really a direct result of total disenfranchisement of a huge group of people,” says Egoroff. “And that’s how we’re going to win; we need to get those people who really traditionally are not voting regularly and need to get them to flock to our side.”

Egoroff himself jumped on the Paul train in May, and when he realized there was only one group in the area – in Apopka – he set his sights on organizing Ron Paul groups in other areas like the University of Central Florida, Oviedo and Altamonte Springs. A former entrepreneur in the satellite dish business, Egoroff, 50, has dropped everything to fight the good fight.

“I basically retired to be on full time at no pay,” he says. “I know it’s crazy. It’s insane, and I would hope that at some point the campaign could support its grass roots with some at least honorarium pay. But life has been good to me. And I feel that at this point it’s important for me to give back to my country. I’ve been successful in business, and now it’s time for real sacrifice.”

That sacrifice includes at least two public sign-waving displays a week, sign-painting parties at members’ homes, administrative meetings and constant monitoring of all things Ron Paul.

As a Paul supporter, you’re never off the clock; you are asked to distribute “slim jims” – small, rectangular one-sheets with campaign positions on them – wherever and whenever possible. Egoroff likes to give them to the wait staff at restaurants, stressing Paul’s proposed tax bill that would make tips non-taxable.

He downplays the significance of the signs at this point, and with good reason. He’s run afoul of the Orange County code enforcement. Egoroff says he warns all Meetup members to obey city and county ordinances, “but I can’t follow them around at night,” he says.

“We are aware of the signs,” says Bob Spivey, Orange County’s manager of code enforcement. “In fact, we looked at some of the Meetup sites and saw that some students at UCF had placed the signs illegally in the right of way.”

Spivey says the matter is under investigation and that code violators could be fined up to $1,000 a day, per sign. The county doesn’t care who paid for them; a political sign is a political sign.

Egoroff views such laws as exactly the kind of thing that keeps the people down.

“The rule is you can basically put the signs out 90 days before the election,” he says. “The problem with that is with the grass-roots campaign, where we don’t have as much money as Mitt Romney to buy ads in the Orlando market right now – he’s buying ads on WDBO, and I saw one on an NFL football game I was watching. We’re getting a good flow of campaign contributions, but realistically this is the only way to build a true grass-roots coalition.”

Ultimately, Paul’s machine may be its own worst enemy. Who ever heard of Republican hippies anyway?

“When you say, ‘Well, we’re gonna be branded the hippies of the Republican Party,’ sure, we have people that have long hair,” Egoroff says. “I know personally an organizer that has a ponytail. We’re totally cool with it. We really don’t want to discriminate against anyone. We’ve got a guy that has like the whole sleeve of tattoos and the earlobe inserts. For me, at 50 years old, it took a little bit of judgment, I’d say. But he’s a great guy. We love him!”

And of course, no reference to hippies would be complete without a mention of drugs, so here it is:

“It’s the coolest thing,” says Egoroff. “If it was a drug, I think you could make millions off of it. There is a high from being involved in the political process, talking to people and saying, ‘Yeah, why don’t we take back the country? Why don’t we take it back from the moneyed interests that are destroying the middle class?’ I think that we’ve started a movement and a network that isn’t going to sort of blend back into the woodwork. We’ve come too far, and even if it were to end today, these people, you don’t just kick the Ron Paul habit in one day or one week.”

[ninakat]

I'm getting Ron Paul SPAM in my e-mail in-box now, and it's coming to an e-mail address I only use in embedded code on one of my websites -- which means, of course, that whoever is doing this is using the same kinds of robot techniques that SPAMMERS use to generate e-mail lists. What does this mean? It means that Ron Paul supporters are desperate enough to want to ram "His message" down our throats. His supporters act like he's the fucking Messiah or something. How many more times are people willing to be fooled? That's my question. (And, btw, I'm not "Scott")

Hello Scott,

Ron Paul is for the people, unless you want your children to
have human implant RFID chips, a National ID card and create
a North American Union and see an economic collapse far worse
than the great depression. Vote for Ron Paul he speaks the
truth and the media and government is afraid of him go to
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=ron+paul and you
will see his large base. Get motivated America, don't believe
the lies of the media he has also WON the GOP Debate On Sunday!
Value Freedom instead of corporate lies and corruption. Bypass
this media blackout they are doing to Ron Paul, tell your family
and friends and get involved in a local group at meetup.com make
your voice heard! He will end the War In Iraq immediately,
He will eliminate the IRS and wasteful government spending, and
eliminate the Federal Reserve and restore power to the people
and the only person not a member on the CFR. Can any other runner
make these claims?

** RON PAUL WIL STOP THE IRAQ WAR IMMEDIATELY! **

He has NEVER voted:
* to raise taxes
* for an unbalanced budget
* to raise congressional pay
* for a federal restriction on gun ownership
* to increase the power of the executive branch

He HAS voted:
* against the Iraq war
* against the inappropriately named USA PATRIOT act
* against regulating the internet
* against the Military Commissions Act

---------------------------
Video Ron Paul Goes Head to Head With Bernanke Explaining
Why The US Dollar Has Dropped And Foreclosure Rate Is Sky
High: Must See: http://tinyurl.com/345s6g
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He will eliminate the IRS, Wasteful Government Spending &
Stop The Iraq War Immediately!

Most importantly, he voted NO on anything in Congress that
is not allowed by the Constitution.

Google: "Ron Paul" Today! Join The Revolution!

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This SPAM is indicative of what most Ron Paul supporters are focusing on -- the economic stuff, which I initially liked the sound of too, until I looked further into his extremist ideology, cloaked in constitutional rhetoric. But most people have tunnel vision about Ron Paul, haven't wanted to see the dark side, and are willing to jump on board the bandwagon merely as a reaction to the current extremists in power. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss..... not that I think he'll get elected anyway. But I find this gullibility in the population quite disturbing, especially coming from my progressive/liberal/socialist brothers and sisters.

[anonymoose]

People sure are desperate for some leadership to fill the void -- but why Ron Paul is the vessel of choice I'm really having a hard time understanding. His negatives are pretty well documented but because he says he wants to eliminate the Fed, people are willing to ignore his overt racism and other fucked up positions?

[ninakat]

People sure are desperate for some leadership to fill the void -- but why Ron Paul is the vessel of choice I'm really having a hard time understanding. His negatives are pretty well documented but because he says he wants to eliminate the Fed, people are willing to ignore his overt racism and other fucked up positions?

Indeed, that seems to be the case, although I would even suggest that many of his die-hard supporters don't know about the whole truth about Ron Paul. It's tunnelvision. Either that or they're willing to overlook the negatives since the positives are so much more important. Ending the Iraq war and abolishing the IRS are big time winners for most people, which explains his popularity as a maverick at the grass roots level. But what about the rest of his positions? Talk is cheap, and Ron Paul gets high points for saying what a lot of disenfranchised people want to hear.

[Sweejak]

Have you ever considered that the spam is akin to 'push polls', or, as has happened here in local elections, the opposition posing as a representative of your candidate cold calls and annoys the hell out of you so that you won't vote for your candidate. In other words, provocateurs.

I don't know how many times I've unsubscribed from Democratic emails, lots, but they always come back.