Alex Jones Rant: DMT Elves Control Global Elites

[Searcher08]

In the spirit of the original post, here are a few thoughts....

Grant Morrison's talk
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 584070911#
is the single most brilliant lucid and in-your-face discussion of this subject I have come across...

Anyone else see it?

There are resonances between Crowley's entity Lam


and what some describe as Annunaki 'Tall Whites'

[barracuda]

@ barracuda -
I believe I see Jewish/non-Jewish repeatedly stated in that bit by Icke up there. I think that if he truly means Jewish AND non-Jewish then he might as well have just said 'people' instead of categorizing the way he did. This makes me wonder about the context of the quote.

Maybe. But combine that with something like this from Icke's website, and I have to say I'm just about done:

[JackRiddler]

I am not referring to isolated droplets of information but rather streams of opinion mixed with fact, as flow from Alex Jones, David Icke, Glen Beck, and others on an ongoing basis.

AD, C_w asked you a metaphysical question about whether there is such a thing as consciousness independent of what we understand to be the physical realm of the brain; not the one you're answering.

I hereby declare that everyone should back off on turning this thread into a fight. Seriously. What I consider to be another outrageous embarrassment for Mr. Jones has still prompted a lot of interesting debate here. And you should trust that the RI regulars (and most irregulars, for that matter), even if they still tolerate Mr. Jones for some reason, are not consuming him like crack, are not subtly pushing a secret encoded agenda, and are not likely to turn either themselves or anyone reading this into robots of an evil ideology.

Here are some thoughts:

1. Talk of secret top-level vampire types (magical or otherwise) is sometimes used as a code for racist conspiracy theory, or just plain racism.

2. Some talk about secret out-of-sight top-level controllers is meant to be taken at face value, and is not encoded. Whatever we may think about it.

3. Accusations of anti-Semitism have been used to unfairly characterize cases of #2 that are not actually encoded Jewish conspiracy theory. This is very counterproductive and actually helps to give cases of #1 a pass. Such accusations are levelled promiscuously from a number of factions at anything that they disagree with, especially critique of Israel, critique of US empire, and fully plausible speculations (such as the historically pedestrian and empirically supportable hypothesis that the September 11th events were the intended product of covert operations originating in US government and allied agencies and related networks).

4. Some talk about secret out-of-sight top-level controllers is, to me, more like confused metaphor about the not-so-secret well-in-sight top-level power elites and their various hidden adjuncts in parapolitics and the deep state. We live in a culture where reasonable, empirical statements about the concentration of wealth and power in small groups who are allied and organized and who pursue class war end up confused with or rendered as "conspiracy theory." Also, a number of non-conformist subjects that aren't always related have been forced into a common idea-ghetto (so if you talk about CIA covert operations you will be forced to deal with some idiot's expectation that you must think vaccination is an extermination plot). We also have a corporate system, and the big and powerful corporations have a right to secrets and "proprietary information" and pyramidal structures with increasingly conspiratorial action at the top, and people don't wanna talk about it cause it's all too damn much to follow.

5. Alex Jones is a sociopath who chose the career of a performance artist deceptively selling himself as though he were a committed political activist and commentator. This is a business model. He has picked up a number of different ideas that varied demographics want to hear and sells them with outrage and constant crisis-stoking. He clearly doesn't care what might be racist, homophobic, sexist, nationalist, voodoo fundamentalist, factually exaggerated, unfounded, or just plain pack-of-lies in what he sells. I don't believe he believes anything. For all that, he has his adherents whom I respect, who listen to him selectively for his addressing certain issues that he has tried to trademark as his own (such as 9/11). He has been incredibly active in fucking up and trying to take over and shape the truth movement, out of obvious self-aggrandizement, but you need not doubt that if enough people were to hoist him up as their Hitler (not that this is going to happen!), he'd be thrilled to take the ride. I wish all of his listeners that they may get over this clown and see that there is absolutely no need for him, that he shouldn't be mixed into political discussions or used as a source for anything, since every fact and claim you want to make has better alternate sources. Fuck him.

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[Canadian_watcher]

@ barracuda -
I believe I see Jewish/non-Jewish repeatedly stated in that bit by Icke up there. I think that if he truly means Jewish AND non-Jewish then he might as well have just said 'people' instead of categorizing the way he did. This makes me wonder about the context of the quote.

Maybe. But combine that with something like this from Icke's website, and I have to say I'm just about done:

I don't know much about Zundel, but I do know enough about censorship to know that I also oppose putting someone in jail for writing a book.

@ Jack Riddler - brilliant post.

for clarification: I listen to AJ but I'd NEVER in a million years vote for him, or take up arms based on his info, or even worry at night over things he says. He's just got some good guests, dammit!

[Searcher08]

I am not referring to isolated droplets of information but rather streams of opinion mixed with fact, as flow from Alex Jones, David Icke, Glen Beck, and others on an ongoing basis.

A_D I had a read of some of the previous links you posted and found that there are tow main areas - one of which I agree with you and one of which I do not.

The first is with the Protocols, which IMHO have been shown pretty substantially to be total pants - the Wiki entry is pretty good about that in terms of self-research.
I would agree that Icke's research on this is sloppy.

On a different note, I think in terms of a 21st Century social network version of "The Prince" , the Protocols are a magnificent testiment to naked evil. Thing is, I dont think it represent accurately how things work in the bigger picture (obv Im talking about ideas re divide and conquer, accumulation of power, destroying opposing networks etc) The power relations model is only part of the picture.

In short, I give the Protocols much less power than Mr Icke would seem to.

The second is the Rothschilds. This I think is a much more important and tricky and interesting subject and one that deserves not to be tarred with nonsense about 'Jewish bankers taking over the world'. I think in terms of an ecology model the Rotchchilds would represent 'apex predators'.

[eyeno]

Make it STOP!

Does it matter that I myself am a shape shifting reptilian, and that I have to dash into the nearest phone booth every so often like Superman to apply "Instant Human Creme" to myself to make the scales vanish and return myself to a fully human entity?

Am I to be discriminated against for this?

Et tu Brute?

Must I 'bare/bear' this alone? Oh, the shame...

Be right back, can't finish this right now, I need some meat.
(lickety lick, long raspy tongue thang comin out, Komodo Dragon style)


and on edit: I am starting the Shape Shifting Reptiles Need Luv Too Club. You can donate the small sum of half a million bux to me for my recovery. Please have a heart, show it to me, i'll lick it....lickety lick...

[Laodicean]

The captains of industry, or monopoly trusts, accrue enough wealth and power to become a ruling class, an oligarchy, and the country degenerates into a caste society under their tyranny. Given that, at the time, eleven or so trusts had expanded their holdings to include every sector of the national economy and had the state and federal legislatures in their pockets, it was not an unforeseen conclusion, nor one of which the politically astute were not apprehensive. Meredith footnotes a quote from Abraham Lincoln’s 1864 letter to Colonel William F. Wilkings: “Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few and the Republic is destroyed.” Lincoln’s impressively concise and summary admonition is exactly what unfolds in the book.

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"The Great driving force of the oligarchs is the belief that they are doing right. Never mind the exceptions, and never mind the oppression and injustice in which the Iron Heel was conceived. All is granted. The point is that the strength of the Oligarchy today lies in its satisfied conception of its own righteousness."

http://philippic.com/?p=181#more-181

[eyeno]

The captains of industry, or monopoly trusts, accrue enough wealth and power to become a ruling class, an oligarchy, and the country degenerates into a caste society under their tyranny. Given that, at the time, eleven or so trusts had expanded their holdings to include every sector of the national economy and had the state and federal legislatures in their pockets, it was not an unforeseen conclusion, nor one of which the politically astute were not apprehensive. Meredith footnotes a quote from Abraham Lincoln’s 1864 letter to Colonel William F. Wilkings: “Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money-power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in a few and the Republic is destroyed.” Lincoln’s impressively concise and summary admonition is exactly what unfolds in the book.

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"The Great driving force of the oligarchs is the belief that they are doing right. Never mind the exceptions, and never mind the oppression and injustice in which the Iron Heel was conceived. All is granted. The point is that the strength of the Oligarchy today lies in its satisfied conception of its own righteousness."

http://philippic.com/?p=181#more-181

By the way Laodicean, I was NOT making fun of you. Great material you produce. Respect you, very much. Only used your "make it stop" as a segway for lunacy. Hope you did not mind. All in good fun mate.

[wintler2]

.. the inability to discriminate between sources in a field of interest is a result of a lack of understanding about how arguments are constructed and what makes one argument valid and another invalid. Elites, politicians, titans of industry, marketing executives, and hucksters of every stripe and denomination depend on our inability to get clarity on these sorts of issues.

-ST

YES.


Reminder: this is nothing to do with what input any individual wants to consume; its about whether sources X & Y have any credibility, or are instead putridly bad.

Context: near daily copypasta from these questionable sources, by a small # of posters, going back years.

Recap of the pro-Alex-Jones argument: "sure he's wrong about a, b, c, ... , but i think he might be onto something with z (read into 3 para's in incoherent ramble #4462)."

The pro-AJ camp might like to get a run on the board by showing where AJ has ever made a positive difference.

[Laodicean]

By the way Laodicean, I was NOT making fun of you. Great material you produce. Respect you, very much. Only used your "make it stop" as a segway for lunacy. Hope you did not mind. All in good fun mate.

Thanks, eyeno. Don't mind a bit.

[Wombaticus Rex]

I thought AJ did the 9/11 Truth Movement a huge favor when he brought on Gary Busey, Charlie Sheen and Spencer Pratt. That's the kind of high-level analysis and socio-political impact most researchers could only dream of, and AJ delivers that level of quality pretty much every week...

[8bitagent]

That Donald Duck Glenn Beck thing was BRILLIANT! And how did I know Beck would claim it was some high paid government made propaganda video...instead of a bored kid like me with an idea and some free time?

I thought AJ did the 9/11 Truth Movement a huge favor when he brought on Gary Busey, Charlie Sheen and Spencer Pratt. That's the kind of high-level analysis and socio-political impact most researchers could only dream of, and AJ delivers that level of quality pretty much every week...

Heyy...where's your green code?

I thought the truth(tm) movement's shining moment of glory was when Alex Jones tried to berate and force Daniel Elsberg to say "9/11 was an inside job"?
It was this odd little game where if you could force people to say it, it was a "victory"...AJ would say "fact is most americans now believe it was an inside job". Well, I bet most polls would show the majority of even liberals dont think theres a coverup of 9/11(sadly)

The Bullhorn circus of 2006 was pretty much the last gasp, brilliantly parodied in South Park.

[666]

Make it STOP!

Does it matter that I myself am a shape shifting reptilian, and that I have to dash into the nearest phone booth every so often like Superman to apply "Instant Human Creme" to myself to make the scales vanish and return myself to a fully human entity?

Am I to be discriminated against for this?

Et tu Brute?

Must I 'bare/bear' this alone? Oh, the shame...

Be right back, can't finish this right now, I need some meat.
(lickety lick, long raspy tongue thang comin out, Komodo Dragon style)


and on edit: I am starting the Shape Shifting Reptiles Need Luv Too Club. You can donate the small sum of half a million bux to me for my recovery. Please have a heart, show it to me, i'll lick it....lickety lick...

Antonie Philips van Leeuwenhoek...dude...now that guy was insane!!!

I only wish that when the Royal Society of London dispatched a team of doctors, clergy and jurists to determine van Leeuwenhoek's sanity, that they weren't bamboozled by his devious insanity and actually locked that guy away forever then destroyed all his evidence.

Pffftt...invisible creatures that can make us sick and even die...everyone knows that when Leeuwenhoek said "bacteria", he really meant Jew.

It's so obvious what Leeuwenhoek really meant and if you deny that, it's obvious you're an anti-Semite as well.

[barracuda]

This has gone too far. I actually just googled "van Leeuwenhoek, anti semite".

[Searcher08]

This has gone too far. I actually just googled "van Leeuwenhoek, anti semite".

I read this ^^ and then so did I