Former LAPD Officer's Manifesto & Shooting

[Nordic]

Yeah but most men carry them in one place, one wallet. Usually on the person. Charred body, uncharred id's, and apparently 2 wallets?

What's that smell?

[barracuda]

I'm actually stoking the fire on this train.

An investigator working the case said that a wallet and identification cards belonging to Dorner were recovered last week at the San Ysidro Port of Entry, according to a federal complaint filed Thursday in Santa Ana.

That contradicts with what authorities said on Thursday, when it was reported that a shuttle bus driver turned over Dorner’s wallet, LAPD police badge and photo ID to San Diego police after a passer-by found them near Lindbergh Field.

San Diego Police Chief Bill Lansdowne said Tuesday that the items were found in the middle of Pacific Highway and Laurel Street.

Several items of Dorner’s police gear were also found early last week behind National City police headquarters.

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/feb ... -big-bear/

[FourthBase]

The manifesto suggests that dropping multiple wallets to help leave a false trail probably wouldn't be a foreign concept to Dorner.

[justdrew]

well, that's interesting that that new text 'cudda posts actually says wallet rather than id. but they're just words. They should show us the wallets.

but the one set sounded like military id he'd have had out in order to be at that base, and it could well be worn in a packet on a lanyard around the neck.

[barracuda]

The manifesto suggests that dropping multiple wallets to help leave a false trail probably wouldn't be a foreign concept to Dorner.

The whole crafty-fox-leaving-a-crafty-fox-false-trail thing kinda dead-ended for me when he set his truck on fire and holed up three blocks down the road.

[NaturalMystik]

<sarcasm> I think Richard Hoagland spotted a set of Dorner's IDs on the dark side of the moon </sarcasm>

[FourthBase]

The manifesto suggests that dropping multiple wallets to help leave a false trail probably wouldn't be a foreign concept to Dorner.

The whole crafty-fox-leaving-a-crafty-fox-false-trail thing kinda dead-ended for me when he set his truck on fire and holed up three blocks down the road.

Errr, I think that might have been when it dead-ended for him, too, lol. He might have started out with badass-fox ambitions, and then shit happened and he abandoned that whole pretense?

[Luther Blissett]

In 1985, [MOVE] made national news when police dropped a bomb on the Osage house from a helicopter in an attempt to end an armed standoff. The explosion ignited a fire in which 11 people died, including five children and the group's leader, John Africa. Only two occupants survived, Ramona, an adult and Birdie, a child. In addition, 65 homes were destroyed as the entire block burned.

I saw a documentary on that! Gah, so freaking horrible. And that was before Waco, and even a more horrible incident because those people didnt even have guns or anything.
Trying to remember the documentary.

It may be comforting that Ramona Africa is still quite active and vocal in the community here.

Part of the case against Move built by Lynne Abraham (still politically active in the city) was that they had chicken coops and a compost heap.

The neighborhood is pretty nice now, and still largely black thankfully.

…

One detail on the Dorner case that sticks out to me is the rope getting stuck in the boat's propeller as he attempted to flee to Mexico (or wherever). That definitely sounds like some cop storytelling to me. A very small part of my job involves some website support for crisis communications. It's an awful bore to sit and have to listen to PR people essentially making contingency plans for "ways to lie" in the event of a dastardly drama of some pig raping a child or whatever, and though I may try to steer conversations towards transparency, decentralization, and truthfulness, that's "just not how public relations are done." It can't ever be done. So much of this Dorner saga is the most hand-wringing bullshit propaganda crisis communications I've ever seen.

[operator kos]

Meanwhile, on /b/...



And apparently there's also a FPS Dorner Survival Game... [NSFW / NSFL]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-kDyWU5Jos&feature=youtu.be

[JackRiddler]

How long does it take to get definitive DNA identification?

[General Patton]

How long does it take to get definitive DNA identification?

It mainly depends on how quickly they can get a sample to compare it to.

[JackRiddler]

The manifesto suggests that dropping multiple wallets to help leave a false trail probably wouldn't be a foreign concept to Dorner.

The whole crafty-fox-leaving-a-crafty-fox-false-trail thing kinda dead-ended for me when he set his truck on fire and holed up three blocks down the road.

Errr, I think that might have been when it dead-ended for him, too, lol. He might have started out with badass-fox ambitions, and then shit happened and he abandoned that whole pretense?

Honestly, what could he do to top the initial media reception?

[General Patton]

The manifesto suggests that dropping multiple wallets to help leave a false trail probably wouldn't be a foreign concept to Dorner.

The whole crafty-fox-leaving-a-crafty-fox-false-trail thing kinda dead-ended for me when he set his truck on fire and holed up three blocks down the road.

Errr, I think that might have been when it dead-ended for him, too, lol. He might have started out with badass-fox ambitions, and then shit happened and he abandoned that whole pretense?

Honestly, what could he do to top the initial media reception?

Breivik used a bomb as a distraction, disguised himself as a police officer, and disabled some of the boats that the police would use to travel to the island. By the time he had already double-tapped most of the victims, having ran out of moving targets. He gave himself up, survived and got his manifesto on international TV.

Dorner got a lot support because he targeted the LAPD and his manifesto was much better than Breivik's copypasta that was tl/dr. The shark week and rest of the stuff on the end kind of humanizes him in a way. The fact that he took on the LAPD and went gung-ho no doubt limited his reach.

Both of them chose indirect soft targets first. Neither of them would be profiled as suspected spree killers. Neither of them had exceptional training but their commitment is unquestionable.

[operator kos]

Well, they say they've positively identified his body...

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/14/16966142-body-of-ex-lapd-gunman-identified-in-charred-cabin?lite

The charred human remains located in the burned out cabin in Seven Oaks, Calif., have been positively identified to be those of Christopher Dorner, according to the San Bernardino County Sheriff's Department.

Officials said the positive identification was made through a dental examination during an autopsy.

Getting pretty sick of seeing this in reports about him:

He was incensed at the LAPD after being fired for filing a false complaint.

The jury's in. His beef with LAPD was bogus. He definitely never saw a fellow officer kick a handcuffed suspect in the head. Fucking media.

[justdrew]

February 7, 2013
ENE Archives: Vance students turn in lost church money
By Robert Barron, Staff Writer Enid News & Eagle

ENID, Okla. —

Editor’s note: This story was published in the Enid News & Eagle on Nov. 5, 2002.



The military stresses integrity. It is apparently a lesson learned well by two Vance Air Force Base students.

An Enid church is a little richer today thanks to the integrity of Lt. Andrew Baugher, a Marine student at Vance, and Ensign Chris Dorner, a Navy student pilot.

The two were driving into Enid Sunday afternoon when they spotted a bank bag in the middle of the road.

After turning around, they picked up the bag and found it contained nearly $8,000. They promptly took the bag to the Enid Police Department

The money belongs to Enid Korean Church of Grace, 724 W. Randolph, and the bag contained $7,792 in cash and checks.

“I thought it was a wallet. We turned around and found it was a bank envelope,” Baugher said. “We opened it and found plenty of cash in there.”

Baugher said the pair did not know if the money was lost or stolen, but took it to the police department.

“I thought it was a piece of cardboard,” Dorner said. “When we passed it I thought it was a large purse and turned around.”

When the two opened the envelope, they saw the checks and the church’s deposit slip.

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Not everyone would have returned the money, but Baugher and Dorner said “it’s an integrity thing.”

Both were taught honest as children, and integrity is stressed in their military training.

Baugher grew up in Ankeny, Iowa, a small town north of Des Moines, and was raised in a church.

Dorner was raised by his mother in La Palma, Calif., in Orange County. Both men learned the value of honesty as they were raised.

“It was just the right thing to do,” Baugher said. “I have loan payments it could have taken care of.”

Baugher said he learned the pastor of the church had placed the bag on top of his car and it fell off.

Baugher, a Marine, is a member of the Joint Specialized Undergraduate Pilot Training program at Vance. He hopes to fly an F-18. Dorner, a Navy officer, hopes to fly SH-60 helicopters used for search and rescue and in special operations.

“The military stresses integrity,” Dorner said. “There was a couple of thousand dollars, and if people are willing to give that to a church, it must be pretty important to them.”

He said it was “a little scary” having that much money in front of him.

Dorner said his mother taught him honesty and integrity.

“I didn’t work for it, so it’s not mine. And it was for the church,” he said. “It’s not so much the integrity, but it was someone else’s money. I would hope someone would do that for me.”

Both students received telephone calls Sunday evening from a church member, whose name they could not understand.

One phrase they did hear was, “God bless you. Thank you.”