Who Was Seth Rich?

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby American Dream » Mon May 29, 2017 1:05 pm

Also this:

The bonkers Seth Rich conspiracy theory, explained

How a young Democrat's murder became the right's favorite fake news.

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A month before Rich was murdered, the DNC admitted that Russian hackers had broken into its computer network, gaining access to all of the DNC’s emails. The thought of Russian interference in American politics was infuriating to Rich, according to one person “who was very close” to him, the Washington Post reported: “It was crazy. Especially for Seth. He said, ‘Oh, my God. We have a foreign entity trying to get involved in our elections?’ That made him so angry.”

When WikiLeaks released its dump of DNC emails on July 22, the obvious explanation was that it had obtained those emails from the Russian hackers. This connection was later confirmed by top US intelligence agencies, who concluded “with high confidence” that DNC servers were hacked by top Russian government hackers, who had then given the emails to WikiLeaks. “Moscow most likely chose WikiLeaks because of its self-proclaimed reputation for authenticity,” the US intelligence report explained, as well as for its connection to the Russian propaganda outlet Russia Today.

But WikiLeaks has repeatedly denied its ties to Russia, and ever since last summer it has used Seth Rich as a way to distract from claims that it abetted Russian interference in the US election. WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange had his own reasons to fear a Clinton presidency — as secretary of state, Clinton wanted to indict Assange for his involvement in releasing the millions of US diplomatic cables leaked by Chelsea Manning.

On Dutch television in August 2016, Assange hinted that Rich, not Russia, may have been the source for the WikiLeaks emails. "Whistleblowers go to significant efforts to get us material, and often very significant risks,” he said. “As a 27-year-old, works for the DNC, was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons as he was walking down the street in Washington."

“Was he one of your sources then?” the anchor asked.

“We don’t comment on who our sources are,” Assange replied.

“Then why make the suggestion about a young guy being shot in the streets of Washington?” the anchor replied.

Pressed repeatedly for clarification, Assange concluded that “others, others have suggested that. We’re investigating to understand what happened in that situation with Seth Rich. I think it’s a concerning situation; there’s not a conclusion yet.”

As part of its “investigation,” WikiLeaks offered a $20,000 prize in August for information about Rich’s murder.

This is the point where Seth Rich became a prop in a game of international espionage.

Trump supporters and the alt-right amplified the theory that Rich was some kind of Democratic whistleblower or leaker, even though the facts didn’t really fit this pattern. He didn’t have access to the DNC emails, and he had never shown any prowess at hacking — being a data analyst involves a very different set of skills. Besides, the DNC wasn’t the only organization that was hacked: Clinton campaign chair John Podesta’s personal emails, for instance, were stolen separately, as were the emails at the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.

Nevertheless, many on the right were inspired by the WikiLeaks insinuations and started to concoct their own conspiracy theories about Rich’s murder. In August, former House speaker and presidential candidate Newt Gingrich told a conservative talk show host that Rich’s death was suspicious. “First of all, of course it’s worth talking about,” he said. “And if Assange says he is the source, Assange may know. That’s not complicated.”

That same month, Trump adviser Roger Stone claimed, without evidence, that Rich was murdered “on his way to meet with the FBI to discuss election fraud.”

To Trump supporters, the claim that Rich had been murdered by the Clintons had twofold appeal: It reinforced the rumor that the Clintons were shady operatives, and it distracted from the mounting evidence that Russia had interfered with the US election — possibly in collusion with the Trump campaign.

In the presidential debate on September 26, Trump famously suggested that it could have been a lone hacker who was responsible for the stolen DNC emails. "It could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds," he said.


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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Cordelia » Mon May 29, 2017 2:22 pm



Is just more of that. :roll:
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby American Dream » Mon May 29, 2017 3:40 pm

Shades of Sandy Hook:


Roger Stone Keeps Pushing Seth Rich Conspiracy Theories Despite Family Pleas

FRIDAY, MAY 26, 2017

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Three days ago, Fox News retracted an explosive story: The FBI was probing whether murdered Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich had sent thousands of emails to WikiLeaks before his mysterious death. Everyone, from the U.S. intelligence community to cybersecurity pros, says the claim is nonsense: The nearly universal consensus is that Russian hackers took the DNC emails that ended up in Julian Assange's hands in an attempt to sway the U.S. presidential election.

Rich's parents penned a heartfelt Washington Post op-ed pleading with conservative media to stop spreading conspiracy theories about their son — a column that has helped spark a mass advertising exodus from Sean Hannity, who has stubbornly refused to back down from the claims.

But Hannity isn't the only media force still pushing the almost certainly bogus Seth Rich-WikiLeaks claims. South Florida's Roger Stone continues to give the conspiracy theories heavy play through his show on InfoWars, his social media accounts, and on his own site, the Stone Zone. Doesn't he feel any need to back down given the rumors' widespread debunking and the Rich family's requests to stop?

"Their right to privacy is important, but not as important as the public's right to the truth," Stone says in a text message to New Times. "Frankly, at this point, the parents should be charged with obstruction."...


...Unlike other Stone-fueled conspiracies, though, his insistence on pushing the Seth Rich case has a real impact on a grieving family. Let's give the last word to Rich's parents:

"We are asking you to please consider our feelings and words," they write. "There are people who are using our beloved Seth’s memory and legacy for their own political goals, and they are using your outrage to perpetuate our nightmare. We ask those purveying falsehoods to give us peace, and to give law enforcement the time and space to do the investigation they need to solve our son’s murder."


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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon May 29, 2017 4:15 pm

Just because the DNC has a gun to the Rich's families heads doesn't negate the fact that all of the U.S. intelligence wishes regarding the hack are pinned to flawed, juvenile analysis by Crowdstrike, who don't know what they're talking about, or, more likely, that they're intentionally misleading the public. U.S. intelligence outsourced all of this work.

We need to remember that Crowdstrike was paid vast sums of money to cite language settings, "hacker 9-5 business hours", and other speculative fictions as inconclusive proof that gives them "very high confidence" for some reason that the DNC was hacked by Russian state actors. What might that reason be?

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby American Dream » Mon May 29, 2017 4:24 pm

What kind of hunches do you have about the answer to that question, Luther?
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Mon May 29, 2017 4:24 pm

American Dream wrote:Shades of Sandy Hook:


Please keep that kind of low, weasel-word crap out of this thread.

And we're kind of past the "wishes of the grieving family" thing, so save the thought-stopping emotional appeals—sorry, but they do not get "the last word."
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon May 29, 2017 4:34 pm

^^Was that addressed to "American Dream", Luther? You might ask yourself why that purported "leftist" suddenly appears in this thread merely to copy&paste such execrable reactionary boilerplate from the likes of Media Matters, Vox, and the Miami New Times (sic). The alleged "revolutionary anarchist" who chooses to call himself "American Dream" is entirely incapable of independent thought, so he simply regurgitates the laziest hack journalism on the planet, complete with pointless giant photos of Seth Rich, Roger Stone, Julian Assange and Paul Joseph fucking Watson.

I look forward to seeing The Dream's considered response to your post. It should be educational.

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby MacCruiskeen » Mon May 29, 2017 4:43 pm

That is also so entirely typical! The Dream "responds" to Luther's succinct and perfectly clearly argued post (& link) with a slimily disingenuous question. It is one of his favourite methods, and it is so transparently evasive.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Mon May 29, 2017 5:12 pm

0_0 » Mon May 29, 2017 9:54 am wrote:heated discussion over on RT crosstalk:



Good video. I disagree with Alex Christoforou when he claims that proving Seth Rich leaked the DNC emails would 'completely' negate the Russian influence stories. The Russia story does not 'go away' if Seth Rich took the emails, and Christoforou should know that and admit it.

A good point was made comparing the Seth Rich case with the conspiracy theories in the Christoper Steele dossier; the Steel dossier got enormous and even credulous news coverage while Seth Rich was ignored. Where was the great concern over "facts" in the Steele dossier?

Hank Sheinkopf is pathetic. He waves his arms saying there are "no facts" (huh?) and that the family has asked us to stop talking about it. He trots out the weasel word fallacy when he brings in the idea that Bill and Hillary Clinton were personally involved in Seth's killing, as if citing this claim somehow ends the discussion. He weasel-words again when he compares questions about Seth Rich to claims that Ron Brown was murdered, adding the bizarre assertion that "These things never happen!" He ends his fusillade of ambiguities with the assurance that "No one is running around killing people."

According to Sheinkopf, Seth Rich's murder could not have been a politically motivated execution because "these things never happen." That's his argument. It's very weak.


Also very telling that the DNC refused to let the FBI examine their computers for evidence. Now why would the DNC do that?

The revelation that Seth was a Bernie supporter is a game changer—the 800-pound motive in the room.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon May 29, 2017 5:21 pm

Also very telling that the DNC refused to let the FBI examine their computers for evidence. Now why would the DNC do that?



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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Mon May 29, 2017 5:41 pm

Luther Blissett » Mon May 29, 2017 1:15 pm wrote:We need to remember that Crowdstrike was paid vast sums of money to cite language settings, "hacker 9-5 business hours", and other speculative fictions as inconclusive proof that gives them "very high confidence" for some reason that the DNC was hacked by Russian state actors. What might that reason be?

https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/her ... ot-enough/


Yes, conspiracy theories swirling around alleged Russian meddling rely heavily on Crowdstrike which, as mentioned in the video, has "walked back" its altogether iffy report—

and mind you, this is Voice of America reporting:
Cyber Firm Rewrites Part of Disputed Russian Hacking Report
March 24, 2017 8:31 PM
WASHINGTON —

U.S. cybersecurity firm CrowdStrike has revised and retracted statements it used to buttress claims of Russian hacking during last year's American presidential election campaign. The shift followed a VOA report that the company misrepresented data published by an influential British think tank.

Ukraine's Ministry of Defense also has stated that the combat losses and hacking never happened.
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CrowdStrike was first to link hacks of Democratic Party computers to Russian actors last year, but some cybersecurity experts have questioned its evidence.
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CrowdStrike's claims of heavy Ukrainian artillery losses were widely circulated in U.S. media.
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http://www.voanews.com/a/cyber-firm-rew ... 81411.html


So Crowdsource reported disinformation in the main pillar of the charges of Russian meddling, specifically including the DNC emails. Was that fact "widely circulated in U.S. media"? Was that fact acknowledged in the articles posted above by AD? No—in fact the article relies on the discredited Crowdsource report for its thesis.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Harvey » Mon May 29, 2017 6:15 pm

Is Fox is killing these stories by advocating them? I don't know.
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Elvis » Mon May 29, 2017 9:11 pm

Harvey wrote:Is Fox is killing these stories by advocating them? I don't know.


Interesting speculation; Hannity goes on vacation, 'not discussing the matter'.

I appreciate AL.com using the word "theory" without the coded "conspiracy" qualifier, but wonder at the idiotic language "no proof of the theory" (speaking of 'proof' does no one proofread these AL articles? Fourth paragraph is a trainwreck):

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2017/0 ... annit.html
Fox News stands by Sean Hannity, vows he will return after vacation even as advertisers flee

Updated on May 25, 2017 at 4:40 PM Posted on May 25, 2017 at 4:39 PM

By Leada Gore
lgore@al.com

Fox News is dismissing claims Sean Hannity is on his way out.

"Like the rest of the country, Sean Hannity is taking a vacation for Memorial Day weekend and will be back on Tuesday," the network said in a statement to Variety. "Those who suggest otherwise are going to look foolish."

The statement - a rare acknowledgement of the ongoing scandals plaguing the network - comes as Hannity has come under fire for his promotion of a conspiracy theory surrounding the murder of Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich. Rich, 27, was killed in July 2016 in what police contend[?] was a botched robbery.

On May 16, Fox published a story on its website claiming Rich's death was linked to had thousands of DNC documents he supposedly leaked to the anti-secrecy website Wikileaks. Hannity promoted the idea via Twitter and vowed to follow it through, even as Fox posted an official retraction and law enforcement said there was no proof of the theory.

The controversy has taken a toll on Hannity's Fox program. Promoted by liberal group Media Matters, advertisers ranging from Cars.com and Casper Mattress to video doorbell company Ring and Crown Plaza Hotels have pulled their advertising from his show.
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Hannity appears to have backed off the Rich story, however. On Tuesday night's show, Hannity said "out of respect for the family's wishes, for now, I am not discussing the matter at this time."


Translation: "Out of respect for my $300M annual income I am not discussing the matter at this time."
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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Sounder » Tue May 30, 2017 7:24 am

Was Claudia Kash Seth Rich's girlfriend?

The following may be more trickery but it does make one wonder what his ex-girlfriend might think about the events.

Why has she never been referenced?

Is this an example of media blackout, or is she a fiction?

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Re: Who Was Seth Rich?

Postby Mulligan » Tue May 30, 2017 10:19 am

Luther Blissett » Sat May 27, 2017 1:45 pm wrote:All of Seth's Reddit accounts, including those that were secret up until his death, indicate that he was a leftist and Bernie supporter and extremely disillusioned with the Democratic Party. It's funny that the research is slandered as a right-wing conspiracy (and of course there are clearly plenty of conservatives making noise about it) as if to dissuade other Sanders supporters, leftists and socialists from even looking into Rich's own written words.

Also funny that right-wingers can even stomach the contents. I guess hatred of the center-right overrides hatred of the middle-left.


Just for clarification, isn't there only one known Seth Rich Reddit account? The Pandas4Sanders account turned out to be owned by someone else.
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