Horrorcore rapper faces murder charges.

[Percival]

Looking at how Sam reacted to everyone after the murders and during here arrest here on this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSIRHXvj5Ek

It is clear to me that this kid fits the profile of a textbook sociopath. There is simply no emotion or remorse at all. He is very calm and cool and collected and composed as if nothing happened, we are talking about someone who just hacked up 4 people and a crimescene that has been described by veteren LE officers as a bloodbath unlike anything they have ever seen before and yet at the airport he was sitting there sound asleep, and the article says he is spending all his time now in jail sleeping and wont talk to the cops or anything. Definitely seems he is completly incapable of feeling any emotion whatsoever and is completely disassociated from the crime he committed.


Id really like to do a study on what it is that is missing in the sociopathic brain.

[OP ED]

just a reminder:

biological determinism can be a slippery slope...

[Maddy]

Warning taken, but what else can it be blamed upon? Many things are biologically inherited. My extreme sensitivity is probably biologically inherited (and if you ask me, that's just as bad as being sociopathic). You can put several people in identical circumstances and they'll react differently, perhaps only one of them will become a sociopath and only one of so many sociopaths will actually murder. So what is the cause, if not environmental?

[lightningBugout]

Do I even need to point out that this kid has yet to be tried?

[Percival]

EMMA:



This is reportedly a picture of the shirt from behind that Sam wore to the concert. I wonder how Emma's father, a pastor, reacted to that if true:



This is supposed to be Melanie., the other young victim doing what these kids do...

[lightningBugout]

Perc demonstrating a lack of affect (remorse, etc) is also associated with dissociation. Be real careful how you judge your perceptions.

[Maddy]

I thought about that too, I'm glad you said that. I thought "what if he's just in shock".

[Maddy]

I'm really tired tonight, its hard to get my thoughts organized. I apologise.

[Percival]

Perc demonstrating a lack of affect (remorse, etc) is also associated with dissociation. Be real careful how you judge your perceptions.

Yes I am aware of that, I have personal experience (not me but a loved one) who suffers from disassociative disorder to the extreme, due to being a victim of SRA as a young girl. However, even when she is in a disassociative state she is still capable of feeling emotion.

I am talking about people who are completely incapable of feeling any emotion, remorse, pain, compassion or empathy for others. I am not saying all killers or rapists are born to be such, certainly the way they are raised can make some people in to those things, but when you look at someone like the BTK killer and watch his confession to the judge after he plead guilty and stood up in open court and confessed to everything he did in great detail (youtube it) its clear that this person is absolutely just incapable of feeling the pain he caused to others, he talked about these grusome acts as if it was nothing and seemed to think what he did to those ladies was a real sense of accomplishment. Again I am talking specifically about SOCIOPATHS, in the most strict sense of the word, I dont think they can be created and are likely born that way, something missing in their brain that simply makes it impossible for them to feel the pain of those around them.

Take a look at Eric Harris the columbine shooter, watch videos of this kid talking, this was a kid who by all accounts had a very normal upbringing yet you can see that he is sociopathic just by listening to him talk, this kid was born with something missing in his brain, a genetic defect that made it impossible for him to feel and emote like a normal human being.

[Percival]

I thought about that too, I'm glad you said that. I thought "what if he's just in shock".

That was my first reaction, that he was so in shock that he just couldnt react to it all the way we think he should have, almost catatonic. But looking further in to his life and what others have said about him I think there is some evidence to support he may be an actual sociopath.

[SonicG]

He is very calm and cool and collected and composed as if nothing happened, we are talking about someone who just hacked up 4 people and a crimescene that has been described by veteren LE officers as a bloodbath unlike anything they have ever seen before .

Just curious where you saw that because I haven't read anything beyond the fact that all four were bludgeoned- which is in itself pretty brutal I'd say.

Also, what of the fact that he called the cops to check out noises in the basement? Was he freaking out from insomnia-induced paranoia? Or was he planning to later try to blame the deaths on mysterious "intruders"?

As an aside, although it has been kind of said already, the punk-rock scene was incredibly diverse with a whole wide range of ideologies, opinions and outlooks. This "horrorcore" genre is by its very definition extremely limited- I mean could any of them come out with a song "PMA: Positive Mental Attitude"?

[lightningBugout]

this was a kid who by all accounts had a very normal upbringing....

Uh. No. Too tired to do the work this eve but google around and get a better sense of his defense contractor surroundings et al. I personally doubt he was MC but the info used to make that case is highly damning.

[Percival]

this was a kid who by all accounts had a very normal upbringing....

Uh. No. Too tired to do the work this eve but google around and get a better sense of his defense contractor surroundings et al. I personally doubt he was MC but the info used to make that case is highly damning.

I have read about all of that and I am aware of it but I dont buy all of it, but we can continue this later when you are rested my friend it is a good discussion to continue and I am eager to hear your opinion and that of others also.

[OP ED]

Also, what of the fact that he called the cops to check out noises in the basement? Was he freaking out from insomnia-induced paranoia? Or was he planning to later try to blame the deaths on mysterious "intruders"?

IMO, assuming he's guilty, which is not yet proven:

sounds like he was trying to turn himself in.

which when coupled with the "i love you guys" call to his home and his spending all of his time sleeping, sounds a lot like depression, actually.

which isn't very sensational or sociopathic, but would be more statistically likely.

[sensetive kids gets fucked over, goes nuts and hurts people, film at 11]

[Percival]

He is very calm and cool and collected and composed as if nothing happened, we are talking about someone who just hacked up 4 people and a crimescene that has been described by veteren LE officers as a bloodbath unlike anything they have ever seen before .

Just curious where you saw that because I haven't read anything beyond the fact that all four were bludgeoned- which is in itself pretty brutal I'd say.

Also, what of the fact that he called the cops to check out noises in the basement? Was he freaking out from insomnia-induced paranoia? Or was he planning to later try to blame the deaths on mysterious "intruders"?

As an aside, although it has been kind of said already, the punk-rock scene was incredibly diverse with a whole wide range of ideologies, opinions and outlooks. This "horrorcore" genre is by its very definition extremely limited- I mean could any of them come out with a song "PMA: Positive Mental Attitude"?

There was an article on another forum I will have to dig for but the detective said the room was a bloodfbath with occult symbols written in blood on the walls.


I am certain he called the cops to come back and check the basement claiming he heard noises as an attempt, irrational as it may seem, to make it look like intruders did the deed. The bodies were in a completely different area of the house so the cops couldnt have smelled anything from where they were but you would think any cop called in to check for intruders would demand to check the entire house.

I grew up on punk music and still listen to it and enjoy it and for the most part I see it as anti establishment and even political rebellion, a rage against the machine if you will, horrorcore on the other hand is just a bunch sick fucks preying on confused overtyly emotional teenagers trying to make a buck on shock value. I am not one to confine music or art as being ONLY this or that but I certainly do not consider the horrorcore noise I have heard from this particular group as either music or art.