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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Peachtree Pam » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:05 am

Did Holmes have any contact with the military? How could he know about this method of rigging usually seen in Iraq and Afghanistan?



Official: Trap in Colorado suspect's home had 30 homemade grenades, gasoline

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/07/24/justi ... index.html

...Aurora, Colorado (CNN) -- The suspect in last week's deadly shooting rampage at a crowded Colorado movie theater boobytrapped his apartment with more than 30 homemade grenades and 10 gallons of gasoline, a law enforcement official who viewed video from inside the apartment told CNN Monday night.

The sophisticated set up at the sparsely furnished Aurora home of James E. Holmes was meant to harm, or possibly kill, anyone who entered -- and tested the skills of bomb squad members charged with clearing it.

"Imagine that fireball ... you would have an explosion that would knock down the wall of (nearby) apartments," the official said. "That flame would have consumed the entire third floor (of the apartment complex)."

"By the time a fire truck would have arrived, they would have arrived to a building that would have been completely consumed in flames."

The grenades were wired to a control box in the kitchen, which bomb technicians disabled with the help of a remote-controlled robot that squirted water on it.

"It looked like spaghetti," according to the official, who said it resembled setups that are used in Iraq and Afghanistan, but rarely in the United States.

The control box has been sent to Quantico, Virginia, for forensic analysis at the FBI laboratory, the official said.

But the setup appears to have been "rigged" so that it would have exploded, according to the official. A "post-blast analysis" will determine if it would have worked.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:48 am

Luther Blissett wrote:We're still all engaged in theoretics over this incident. I know I sure am - about the accomplices, his grandfather, his family's educational and seemingly cultural elitism, the synchs between the preview, the training exercise, the film itself, and the act, the missing Naval victim, the sealing of the case, the killer's area of study and potential experimentations on his self, etc. It's a weird case and it deserves our attention because it brings us closer to parsing the horrible and maybe one day preventing a terrible act. Isn't that the point of all this? Exploration, mental turmoil, anguish, speculation, interpretation, categorization, analysis, dissemination, action, sacrifice?

None of us would be so foolish as to weave a finished narrative without trudging around Aurora by dark of night in a trenchcoat and notepad.


Eep, aren't trenchcoats a big fashion faux paus in the greater Denver suburban area? :)

I had no idea how dark the dark knight murkyness seems to be: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=35172

To your specific point, all of these cases(giffords shooter, vt tech, breivik, etc) are rife with reports and details that to the RI eye raise a lot of weird flags.
Again not sure if it points to anything specific, or more toward a general David Lynchian-ness regarding these things
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:03 am

Peachtree Pam wrote:Did Holmes have any contact with the military? How could he know about this method of rigging usually seen in Iraq and Afghanistan?


He had a pretty impressive math/science/geek background (all those undergrad honors society memberships, etc). It's not exactly one of my strong suits, but it seems reasonable-ish to assume that the kind of rigging they're describing isn't so conceptually extraordinary or unique that someone would have to learn it via observation or training, doesn't it? Or does it?

Actual question:

Rigging an apartment with explosives: Is it more like a special ops maneuver or more like hooking up a really, really complicated home audio system that blows up?

I really don't know.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:08 am

Canadian_watcher wrote:
and 7/7.. and there's another big one I'm missing. But I can't think of any pre-9.11. were there any?


Russia 9-99. Of course, that was a case where the government claimed it was a "drill" when in reality FSB agents were caught trying to plant a fourth bomb. I have no clue why more conspiracy/parapolitikers don't know or mention Russia 9-99. The Russian apartment blasts are one of the most clear cases of a literal "false flag" terror attack, the most clear one
since Gladio/Bologna/SOT. My understand is that a false flag terror event is the notion of an intelligence agency wholly committing a terror attack(like Nazis and Gleiwitz) and falsely blaming it
on a certain political adversary. I do not consider 9/11 or many of these more modern major attacks to be false flags per se.

Canadian_watcher wrote:
I see what you're getting at, but I disagree. I feel like it is much, much too big of a coincidence. Although perhaps the PTB think that if they say there was a similar drill going on the public will 'forgive them' because they were hot on the trail, just that wee bit too late ... and if they were hot on the trail but just a wee bit too late isn't that a great way to encourage an outcry for more funding for the security apparatus?


I just mean it's the same routine. X event happens. It comes out on the backpage that drills of the exact same thing happened, and early reports of a second shooter. Alex Jones claims its 100% proof of a staged event. We have these long page threads combing over every detail. And a year, two year, years later nothing really is made of it. I mean, did we all successfully prove VT Tech or Giffords/Safeway were black ops? Im 100% convinced RFK was a black op, and I have my suspicions about the DC Sniper case. But I almost wonder if there's an even more troubling brew going on.
I've often thought it was important, for example, to trick the CIA into truly believing in an "al Qaeda" threat. And to trick al Qaeda itself into thinking it really truly did 9/11 by its lonesome. I can't help but think there's a more baffling component to all this that can never truly be solved...like Christopher Walken trying to peer behind the grey at the end of communion. I think Joe Pesci had it right in JFK, about things being enigmas wrapped in a riddle. Staring into the abyss.

Canadian_watcher wrote:
they don't have to because these things only appear as coincidences. Like O'Neil being posted to the Twin Towers the day before they fell in. That could be a coincidence.. but was it? It wasn't that hard to engineer if you knew what the plan for the Towers was and you feared what he knew. There's got to be a lot of two birds/one stone movements in these clandestine operations.


While John O'neil beginning WTC security work on the grand day of horror fits into the "inside job" narrative, there's just so much that fits more into a "wtf" narrative. I feel more cozy thinking the gub'ment, al Qaeda, etc were behind 9/11. It's comforting because it's tangible. It's why I used to laugh at UFO believers, and chide it all as black budget projects...because some of this stuff just gets too black and weird for comfort and digestibility. But I also acknowledge the possibility of parallel operations and agendas going on.

Canadian_watcher wrote:
only for the youth. I remember.. I remember before. And you've hit my biggest fear, to be honest, that young ones will grow up not understanding the way the world can be and just accept the growing police state, the violence, the turning back of the clock on so many human rights - as being normal.


eventually, that could be one outcome. Depends the way the wind will blow. My gut is that, least in Americans, youth are now more tolerant of things(like gays) and more open minded.
I'll throw on Joy Division records, and think "man, what sort of dark mindspace were these guys coming from", you put on anything from 2012 youth music related, and it seems like
everything is happy dappy sappy. Not to say mass violent flash mobs couldnt happen anytime.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:10 am

@8bit --

He just looks schizophrenic to me, the poor guy and all his poor victims and everybody's poor family and poor Aurora and us, too. What a sad story.

He's the right age for it, too. (Onset.) But that was probably mentioned earlier in the thread. And it's also very dull and grim of me, I'm sorry.

It's not mutually exclusive of any other view, though, really.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:21 am

compared2what? wrote:Rigging an apartment with explosives: Is it more like a special ops maneuver or more like hooking up a really, really complicated home audio system that blows up?


Sadly, the latter. Technically, of course, rigging anything with explosives does qualify as a special ops maneuver but here we run the risk of calling a flashlight a "tactical illumination device," you know? Special ops guys also drive cars to get places -- since it's faster.

It's all about being meticulous and following your plans in order. I was stunned by the anecdote of the downstairs neighbor going up to complain about loud music, finding the door unlocked, and wisely deciding to just leave it a lone.

Good call, that.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:26 am

I still find the Miami face eater and Magnotta stuff more disturbing than the Batman shooting, just in that those were events that defy what we logically expect. We expect mass shootings to happen, sadly. It's as common as expecting SNL to have 22 live episodes a year
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:29 am

Wombaticus Rex wrote:
compared2what? wrote:Rigging an apartment with explosives: Is it more like a special ops maneuver or more like hooking up a really, really complicated home audio system that blows up?


Sadly, the latter. Technically, of course, rigging anything with explosives does qualify as a special ops maneuver but here we run the risk of calling a flashlight a "tactical illumination device," you know? Special ops guys also drive cars to get places -- since it's faster.

It's all about being meticulous and following your plans in order. I was stunned by the anecdote of the downstairs neighbor going up to complain about loud music, finding the door unlocked, and wisely deciding to just leave it a lone.

Good call, that.


I wonder why this guy told the cops about the rigging? Chances are the cops would have busted into his apartment and possibly been hurt, further adding to his infamy and sick pleasure.
But now, in court he just looks like a juvie trying to get used to powerful SSRI's. A far cry from Breivik, who seems to command Norway like Bane commands Gotham
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:44 am

c2w, I honestly have no idea what it might mean to say that someone "looks schizophrenic", unless it means that he looks heavily drugged. Of course, anyone designated "schizophrenic" usually is heavily drugged, especially in the USA, and most especially after 48 hours in solitary confinement as a murder suspect, watched over only by cops, warders and prison psychiatrists.

He looks heavily drugged, all right; i.e., absent, dazed, anaesthetized, apathetic, completely out of it. At times he can barely keep his eyes open. He looks like an empty shell.

"He seems to be nodding off."



Apparently his defense attorney had to help him to his feet at the end.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:01 am

8bitagent wrote:A far cry from Breivik, who seems to command Norway like Bane commands Gotham


He is a far cry from Brievik, for sure, but I have to object to the idea that Brievik has any kind of command over Norway. Brievik had real, if not realistic, political plans - he wanted to drive Norway hard to the right, polarise the country, reignite or stoke existing tensions over Islamic immigration - maybe even force a change in the law that would allow for his own execution, thus making a murderer of the state. He'll get none of that. The extreme right-wingery he wanted to promote is now almost wholly discreditted, and viewed with deep loathing and suspicion even by many who might once have found it attractive, and the country has come together in a way that (sadly) only tragedies ever seem to cause. Publically speaking out against immigration is probably a good deal harder now than it was before, because anyone in the mainstream who strays anywhere near that rhetoric risks the Brievik taint.

He might have got to do his white power salutes and act like he owned the courtroom, but everybody present (including him) knew he was going to end sitting in one small room doing nothing for the rest of his life. He's only like Bane in that he never had any chance of winning from the start.

Sorry for being a lecturing prick, I just think Norway has handled Brievik superbly, almost faultlessly, and felt the need to stick up for them.

As for Holmes, I just don't know what to make of him yet, but if David MacGowan could suggest that Ian Huntley had been drugged beyond reason and mind-controlled while in custody (or even before that) then he's going to have a field day with this guy, especially with all the neuroscience/hypnosis/military/DARPA links and the sorry state that the guy looks to be in now.

Was he not too highly organized in the planning/preparation stage to be schizophrenic (if indeed he planned/prepared/carried out the killings)? Unless he is paranoid schizophrenic? I don't know.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby elfismiles » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:31 am

82_28 wrote:


The document is said to have originated at this link:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=ca ... UTPA&pli=1

Within which can be seen "info.publicintelligence.net/DHS-FBI-TheaterAttacks.pdf"

EDIT/ADD: They have this article up about the shooting.
http://publicintelligence.net/njroic-colorado-shooting/

EDIT/ADD: The doc is on their website. Here is the blurb:
http://publicintelligence.net/dhs-fbi-t ... r-attacks/
http://info.publicintelligence.net/DHS- ... ttacks.pdf

And on this (http://publicintelligence.net/dhs-fbi-w ... estioning/
) page you'll see they have another "Roll Call Release" doc purporting to warn law enforcement about potential terror threats. Only that one aint about theater shootings, its just about people asking "suspicious" questions.

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:05 am

Note that the shooter remained completely unidentifiable throughout the shooting:

1. He did it in a darkened cinema.

2. He reduced visibility even further by throwing gas-canisters.

3. His face and hair were hidden behind a gas-mask and a ballistic helmet (the rest of him was concealed behind neck-to-toe body armour).

Nobody who was in that cinema will ever be able to identify James Holmes as the killer.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby psynapz » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:10 am

Scott Creighton, American Everyman, via ninakat, wrote:Is it possible that James Holmes was set up? Think about this:

I assume he was either set up to do this under MC, or set up to appear to have done this as the author posits. Any other possibility seems to have a much lower probability, all things considered.

* James Holmes goes out Tuesday night drinking and someone doses him. They do it early Wed morning so they have time in his apartment to set up those elaborate traps (how would James have known how to construct those anyway?)

He was a loner and a heavy PC gamer. He doesn't go out drinking. But whatever... someone either doses him or pulls the right MC trigger(s)...
* They keep him drugged and off the radar till Thursday night when they go to the theater. They make sure to park in that spot, right next to the exit of the theater.

Time to rig the apartment.
* The assailant goes in, fakes the phone call, comes out, goes to the car where James is still drugged, gets the gear on, goes in and attacks the innocent civilians.
* Then the assailant comes out the exit door, leans against it while dropping the gun and removing almost all of his gear with the exception of the mask.
* He runs past the car dropping the gear next to it in a heap, opens the door with James inside, tosses the guns into the car, the shotgun has been there all along, and goes straight down the length of the building toward the corner, toward the camera, drops his mask directly under the camera, and heads off to the nearby street where a car is waiting (cruising slowly) to pick him up.

Sure, like Mac just said above, it sounds like due to the armor, the smokescreen, and the effective negotiation of security camera coverage zones when it was time to lose the mask, we have absolutely no verifiable evidence that it was, in fact, James Holmes, and we never will. Just like so many other dupes rotting in the gulags today. So I think it's most likely that he either went into solo action under MC, or was left drugged in the car while Black Ops Bob went in and shot babies and shit. Either way. (You know, this detail reminds me of 9/11 CD. If you can prove it, who can you convince? And either way, what does it change?)
* Holmes is reported to have been “meek” when arrested. This might also explain why he wasn’t shot by police… he was incapacitated, incoherent, or generally not a threat.
* Holmes, who is being held under suicide watch in solitary confinement, remained in his murderous “Joker” persona after his arrival, a jailhouse worker told the Daily News.“He thinks he’s acting in a movie,” a prison employee told the Daily News.

Like a duck in a noose.
How did he know where to park his car if he only purchased the ticket that night?

Recon... wtf?
He was in the closest space he could possibly have gotten to his exit door and there were three theaters showing the film. How did he know he would be in that one and where the exit door led to prior to parking his car that night?

This is a stupid question. Past ticket-taker, ignore instructions on which theater in which direction, and head for the one you parked behind.
Why is CNN starting to fudge the timeline data in such a way as to contradict the official police log?

Anybody here know what he's talking about?
Where is the drum magazine?

This author obtained a complete crime scene map and inventory?
Why was his window busted out?

Forgot how long the AR-15 really is, spun around, "ah fuck..." ? Not a stupid question, but not a helpful one.
Why did he risk getting materials sent to a school that he quit?

He kept to himself, so he didn't have a lot of friends he could use for a drop location. Or he hadn't seen the movie Rampage and so didn't think of using/framing anyone else? Or his handler is on the faculty (or handles a member of it) and took care of opsec for the shipment destination?
And still, above all else, standing in direct opposition to the official story, how did that gas mask get all the way down the end of the building if he was arrested as soon as he exited, still wearing the gas mask? Is it’s location related to the security camera located right above where the mask was dropped on the way to the closest street and escape?

Got me there. The drop-in/bug-out shooter scenario makes sense here, but do we have enough data to exclude the possibility that he did that himself? Maybe it was a half-assed attempt at giving his defense an "out"?
[And, Why is James Holmes such a bad actor?]

Why is this author such a bad critical thinker? What does he mean here, "bad actor"? Like, "dark actors playing games", or "couldn't act his way out of a paper bag"? Since the former is such an inane question, I'll assume the latter, and raise him a MC victim.

Also, the way he said "there might be explosives" would make sense for either a drugging-while-experts-work scenario or a trained-and-MC scenario. A little glimmer of memory shines through and some part of him knew there was no reason for the cops to get themselves hurt finding out the hard way. Whether it was relayed sheepishly or with a sick pride.

Speaking of "doesn't matter", seriously 8bit, what does it help to ground out any meaningful analysis of the data with a blithely exclusive esoteric non-theory? We all here know that high strangeness definitely happens, and concentrates around periods of high emotional intensity, and can do so well ahead of the event horizon. That's just quantum reality, or hyperdimensional propagation of a chaotic array of variables changing over time. Gears are going to mesh. Why dismiss dark actors playing games? Cui boner?
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby beeline » Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:35 am

psynapz wrote:
Scott Creighton, American Everyman, via ninakat, wrote:
And still, above all else, standing in direct opposition to the official story, how did that gas mask get all the way down the end of the building if he was arrested as soon as he exited, still wearing the gas mask? Is it’s location related to the security camera located right above where the mask was dropped on the way to the closest street and escape?

Got me there. The drop-in/bug-out shooter scenario makes sense here, but do we have enough data to exclude the possibility that he did that himself? Maybe it was a half-assed attempt at giving his defense an "out"?


He could have thrown it after he took it off.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 2012 Countdown » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:02 am

So I'm going to post this. (Oh my, how dare you!) It is informative (whatever your take, and perspective). It isn't like I post his stuff constantly, only when it is germain or adds something,imo. I am well aware of board sentiment (most of which I agree), which is why I do so sparingly, imo. In fact it is precisely that which is why I may post. Just bringing info that may not filter in otherwise from other sources.
But putting a disclaimer or going through repeated grandstanding and the game of bad mouthing gets old. I for one have more respect and give more credit to readers/listeners than others apparently. No need to drag out your soapbox and proclaim what you've done as you've done thousands of times before. We know. Over and over, we know. I've never commented on others' personal lunacy though. I will assume readers have longer attention spans and memory longer than that of a knat. Information input. That is all.


Alex Jones Show Complete (Commercial Free) Monday July 23rd 2012
Published on Jul 24, 2012 by AlexJonesComplete

Monday July 23rd 2012

2 Guests Today - James Lane, Holland Van den Nieuwenhof.

Alex welcomes back to the show James Lane and Holland Van den Nieuwenhof, the producers and directors of A Noble Lie: Oklahoma City 1995, a documentary that takes a look at the circumstances surrounding the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. Lane and Van den Nieuwenhof talk with Alex about the Aurora shooting and government false flag events. A Noble Lie is available at the Infowars store.

Alex also takes on the latest news as the stock market slides in reaction to yet another EU bailout in Spain and new details emerge in the Aurora shooting.


==

Garbage in, garbage out. Then again, maybe its not all garbage. Whatever.
Now I'm wasting letters and words on redundant justifications and not addressing content. There is content in the above video. He talks about much of what is being written in this thread. The posting of above video is not endorsement, nor invitation to side issue grandstand. Not than anyone needs an invitation though. At least it has the commercials clipped.
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