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Wombaticus Rex » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:25 am wrote:MacCruiskeen » Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:21 am wrote:As if the whole depraved murderous spectacle in Paris weren't already depressing enough, it's additionally depressing to see this nonsense meeting with so little resistance on this board -- and indeed with a depressing amount of apparent approval:Wombaticus Rex » Sat Nov 14, 2015 8:20 pm wrote:
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Now, granted, I've never read about this "Gladio" thing and I probably shouldn't comment, but I shall henceforth.
This is an incredible admission.
Yeah.
It was also a joke, bud. I would have hoped a pretty obvious one.
Hope is like that.
82_28 » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:13 pm wrote:I also find it interesting that all the media outlets have to bring up "this is the greatest attack on Paris since WWII" and etc. Like I said upthread, nobody would have given a fuck if this happened in the Freedom Fries daze. The fucking idiots would have said "good." Now all the motherfucking NFL stadiums and shit are flying French flags while they "salute" the "service" of the US military people they trot out for some insipid ceremony.
NeonLX » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:55 pm wrote:What 82_28 said.
OK, this is just me being cynical, but Saturday afternoon, I was strolling around downtown. There were two young Marines in full dress uniforms walking about 100 feet from me. As these two went past the children's museum downtown, a bunch of kids from inside came running out onto the sidewalk and exclaimed, "Look look--it's soldiers!!". This brought more kids out of the museum. I could see parents whispering into the ears of some of the kids, who then yelled "thank you for keeping us safe" to the dress uniform dudes.
Just another one of those happenings that struck me as odd. Most happenings do, I guess.
But again, it's just me being cynical.
stefano » Mon Nov 16, 2015 3:27 pm wrote:
[Y]ou could think of other explanations for this (although I'm not sure what your implication is - that it was crackers and that they later told us it was bombs?).
[/quote]Christophe Prudhomme, médecin urgentiste au SMU 93, était de garde au Stade de France. Il fait partie des premières équipes arrivées sur place après la première explosion. Au total, il y en a eu trois. Quatre personnes sont mortes dont les trois terroristes.
http://www.lemonde.fr/attaques-a-paris/ ... 09495.html
Paris Attacks Plotted by Belgian Who Fought for ISIS, French Officials Say
By KIMIKO DE FREYTAS-TAMURA, AURELIEN BREEDEN and KATRIN BENNHOLD NOV. 16, 2015
BRUSSELS — The hunt for those responsible for the Paris terrorist attacks escalated on Monday as French officials identified a 27-year-old Belgian who fought for the Islamic State in Syria as the chief architect of the assaults and the police in France and Belgium conducted extensive raids seeking other suspects.
Three days after the attacks, which killed 129 people, French and Belgian security services were focused on the role of the Belgian, Abdelhamid Abaaoud, who is among the most prominent Islamic State fighters to have come out of Belgium and has been linked to a series of previous terrorist plots.
Abdelhamid Abaaoud, a 27-year-old Belgian man who has fought with the Islamic State in Syria. Credit Militant Website, via Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
A French official briefed on the investigation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss operational details, said Mr. Abaaoud had mentioned plans to attack “a concert hall” to a French citizen who returned from Syria.
Mr. Abaaoud, this official said, had also been in contact with Ismaël Omar Mostefaï, one of the Paris attackers. Mr. Abaaoud also knew another attacker, Ibrahim Abdeslam; they were tried together in 2010 in Belgium for a minor offense.
President François Hollande of France, addressing a rare joint session of Parliament in Versailles, urged lawmakers to extend for three months the state of emergency he declared after the attacks on Friday night. That designation allows the government to strip the citizenship of French natives who are convicted of terrorism and hold a second passport.
Declaring that “France is at war,” he said the attacks had been “planned in Syria, organized in Belgium, perpetrated on our soil with French complicity.”
He described Syria as “the biggest factory of terrorists the world has ever known,” and said France would continue the airstrikes it launched on Sunday night against Islamic State strongholds in Syria.
The French authorities said on Monday that they had conducted 168 raids across the country in an effort to root out possible terrorist threats. The raids extended from the Paris region to the major cities of Lille, Lyon, Marseille and Toulouse, they said. They also said they had arrested 23 people and detained 104 others under house arrest.
But a Frenchman believed to be involved in the Paris attacks, Salah Abdeslam, 26, a brother of Ibrahim Abdeslam, remained at large, eluding a series of raids conducted by the authorities in Molenbeek, the working-class Brussels neighborhood where the brothers lived.
Salah Abdeslam. Credit French Police, via Agence France-Presse — Getty Images
A third brother, Mohamed, and four other men who had been detained in Belgium were released on Monday. At a news conference in Brussels, Mohamed said he did not know Salah’s whereabouts and added, “My parents are under shock and have not yet grasped what has happened.”
The alleged architect of the plot, Mr. Abaaoud, who traveled to Syria last year and even persuaded his 13-year-old brother to join him there, is from the same neighborhood, Molenbeek, as the Abdeslam brothers.
Mr. Abaaoud was already a suspect, according to officials and local news reports, in a failed terrorist plot in Belgium in January and an attempt in August to gun down passengers on a high-speed train to Paris from Brussels. The official said the authorities feared he might be in Europe.
At noon, France observed a moment of silence in honor of the victims of the attack, which killed 129 and wounded about 350 others. The Métro and cars stopped and crowds gathered at a makeshift memorial at the Place de la République and at the Eiffel Tower. Mr. Hollande stood with students at the Sorbonne. Many recited the national anthem, “La Marseillaise,” after the moment passed. In other cities — Delhi, Doha and Dublin — crowds gathered at French embassies to pay their respect.
As France observed its second of three days of national mourning, the authorities in both France and Belgium raced to track down suspects and chase leads.
At one house in the Rhône department in the southeast, around Lyon, the police found a Kalashnikov assault rifle, three automatic pistols, ammunition and bulletproof vests. Officers then obtained a warrant to search the home of the parents of a man who lived in the house, where they found several automatic pistols, ammunition, police armbands, military clothing and a rocket launcher.
Prime Minister Manuel Valls and Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve promised to keep up the search.
“We are using all the possibilities given to us by the state of emergency, that is to say administrative raids, 24 hours a day,” Mr. Valls said, vowing to keep intense pressure on “radical Islamism, Salafist groups, all those who preach hatred of the Republic.”
The authorities also confirmed on Monday that one of the attackers had entered Europe through Greece on a Syrian passport last month, posing as a migrant.
The man was identified on his passport — found at the soccer stadium north of Paris where he blew himself up on Friday night — as Ahmad al-Mohammad, 25, a native of Idlib, Syria. The holder of the passport passed through the Greek island of Leros on Oct. 3 and the Serbian border town of Presovo on Oct. 7, according to Greek and Serbian officials. It remained unclear if the passport was authentic.
All told, at least four French citizens were among the seven attackers. Ibrahim Abdeslam; Mr. Mostefaï, who met with the suspected planner of the attacks; and two men identified on Monday as Samy Amimour, 28, a Paris native who lived in the suburb of Drancy, and Bilal Hadfi, 20, who lived in Brussels.
Mr. Amimour was known to the French authorities, having been charged in October 2012 with terrorist conspiracy, according to the authorities. He was placed under judicial supervision but violated the terms of that supervision in the fall of 2013, prompting the authorities to put out an international arrest warrant.
Last December, the French newspaper Le Monde had interviewed Mr. Amimour’s father — it did not identify him by name at the time — who had gone to Syria to try to bring back his son. Three members of the Amimour family were detained on Monday.
The Turkish government confirmed on Monday that Mr. Mostefaï, 29, had entered Turkey in 2013 but said “there is no record of him leaving the country.”
A senior Turkish official, speaking on the condition of anonymity, said the government flagged Mr. Mostefaï twice — in December 2014 and again in June of this year — but that “we have, however, not heard back from France on the matter.” He added, “It was only after the Paris attacks that the Turkish authorities received an information request about Ismaël Omar Mostefaï from France.”
The official added that “this is not a time to play the blame game” but added that governments needed to do better at sharing intelligence to prevent terrorism.
The United States has provided logistical support for the French airstrikes in Syria, but President Obama on Monday again ruled out a ground intervention. “Let’s assume that we were to send 50,000 troops into Syria,” he said at a gathering of leaders of the Group of 20 industrial and emerging-market economies in Antalya, Turkey. “What happens when there’s a terrorist attack generated from Yemen? Do we then send troops into there? Or Libya, perhaps?”
Elsewhere in Europe, the authorities tightened security. Britain on Monday announced that it would pay for an additional 1,900 intelligence officers, and review aviation security, as part of its response to the attacks.
The home secretary, Theresa May, said there would be tighter surveillance of those arriving in Britain and that border guards were making targeted checks of passengers and vehicles leaving for France.
Prime Minister David Cameron, who like Mr. Obama attended the Group of 20 meeting, said he would consider speeding up the legislative timetable for a proposed law to govern electronic surveillance by the intelligence agencies, though he added that it was important to bring Parliament and public support with him.
In Washington, John O. Brennan, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, said on Monday that both the Paris attacks and the crash of a Russian jet over the Sinai Peninsula bore the “hallmarks” of the Islamic State.
Speaking at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, Mr. Brennan called the group an “association of murderous sociopaths” that is “not going to content itself with violence inside the Syrian and Iraqi borders.”
Wading into the debate over surveillance, privacy and encryption, Mr. Brennan said he hoped the Paris attacks would be a “wake-up call,” adding “hand-wringing” had weakened the ability of Western intelligence services to prevent attacks.
seemslikeadream » Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:50 pm wrote::PAlicetheKurious » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:04 pm wrote:I just saw this video, and listened in shock as the ring of truth (for once!) could be heard on teevee... for 10 whole minutes.
Kelly M Greenhill, Weapons of Mass Migration: Forced Displacement, Coercion, and Foreign Policy
The number of civilians killed in Iraq jumped from 4,623 in 2012 to 9,473 in 2013 and to 17,045 in 2014, according to Iraqi Body Count, an independent website; a high proportion of these killed were Shia victims of Isis bombers and executioners.
stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:23 pm wrote:Are those jokes too? Because right now, they just seem like strawmen you erected.
divideandconquer » Sun Nov 15, 2015 12:24 pm wrote:I do deny the "free moral agency of generations of human beings" on the world stage. At this level, it is and always has been--at least the last few thousand years--orchestrated by mostly white educated puppet masters.
And of course Arabs can coordinate successful terror attacks...however, I don't think they're so stupid that they would continue to coordinate terror attacks guaranteed to bring Western bombs on their heads and that continues to increase the wealth and power of their enemy. In other words, they do not lack intelligence, they lack the psychopathic evil necessary, the power, the wealth, and the resources to pull off terrorist attacks that actually contribute to their agenda.
It think it's much more racist to think that Muslim leadership is behind acts of terror that only accomplishes the goals of its western enemies by demonizing themselves as a prerequisite for never ending Western meddling in the Middle East and elsewhere
temp-monitor » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:51 pm wrote:General Patton » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:55 am wrote:temp-monitor » Sat Nov 14, 2015 12:04 am wrote:This is a huge win for NATO.
In what way?
http://operation-gladio.net/operation-gladioWombaticus Rex » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:43 pm wrote:divideandconquer » Sat Nov 14, 2015 2:38 pm wrote:P.S. Does anyone think the Muslim people--no matter how angry they might be-- are so stupid that they devise attacks that deliberately brings the world down on top of them?
Yes, in fact, I do. Absolutely.
http://operation-gladio.net/operation-gladio
backtoiam » Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:54 pm wrote:DrEvil » Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:51 pm wrote:^^That has to be some of the dumbest shit I've seen in a while.
Youtube forensics ftw!
Its not youtube forensics, sir, it is camera footage.
Wombaticus Rex » Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:05 pm wrote:stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Nov 16, 2015 4:23 pm wrote:Are those jokes too? Because right now, they just seem like strawmen you erected.
Yeah. I wish.
IanEye » Tue Dec 16, 2014 9:59 pm wrote:
"Jeb Bush is an act of system-legitimizing brilliance." - chlamor
IanEye » Thu Dec 25, 2014 5:54 pm wrote:2012
“Mr. President, our time is running out.
Where would you like to see your country in two years?
What is your vision for Syria?”
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Paris attacks: Germany football team's hotel evacuated for bomb scare before attack
Last updated 14:59, November 14 2015
Police investigate an anonymous tip-off of a bomb scare at the German football team's hotel the Molitor.
CHRISTIAN HARTMANN/ REUTERS
Germany's football team were evacuated from their hotel owing to a bomb scare hours before the Paris attacks broke out during their international friendly against France.
Three explosions rung out during the match at Stade de France on Friday (NZT Saturday), with shootings in nearby streets and across Paris breaking out soon after. Over 140 people died in the attacks.
Germany football manager Oliver Bierhoff told a German newspaper of the bomb threat at the exclusive Molitor hotel hours before the match.
Police officers with dogs searched the hotel, but nothing suspicious was found.
"There was a bomb threat. The hotel has been widely cordoned off and evacuated," Bierhoff told the newspaper.
A hotel spokeswoman told Britain's Express all precautions were taken.
"We received an anonymous call about a bomb threat this morning," the spokeswoman said.
"Management took all precautions to ensure the safety of its guests and staff and are cooperating with the authorities."
Germany's footballers were undeterred at the time with Sami Khedira making light of the situation, posting a smiley photo on Instagram with the caption: "Bomb threat for the hotel. No problem for Die Mannshaft: then we'll play some Tennis at Rolan Garros...."
Sami Khedira's Instagram post from Roland Garros. The post has since been removed from Instagram.
EXPLOSIONS HEARD
The mood at Stade de France later was a chilling one, however, as news of bloodshed filtered through the crowd and police sirens wailed outside.
Thousands of football fans milled around the stadium, reluctant to leave the seemingly safe sports venue. The spectators didn't panic, despite hearing the sounds of explosions from outside.
The explosions went off during the first half of the match, at about 9.20pm (local time).
"We heard them, but we thought they were home-made devices or fireworks," football fan Frederic Lavergne said.
"We had no idea at the time what it was."
The explosion can he heard during the soccer match: https://t.co/hPhiii6xwB
— Andrew Desiderio (@desiderioDC) November 13, 2015
The second "bang" followed only minutes later, clearly audible as it ripped through the chill air.
The noise inside the stadium was low at that point, since there was little excitement in the game, and the sounds of the sirens outside were loud and clear. So was the whirling sounds of the police helicopter buzzing overhead.
By the end of the match, which France won 2-0, the mood was one of silent contemplation as news filtered in through mobile phones and social networks relaying the carnage outside.
What would otherwise have been a celebration of France's win became a night of worry. Some people were still singing near the end, but for most a sickening feeling had taken over. As many fans left the stadium they joined in singing the French national anthem in a show of solidarity.
Moments after the referee had blown his final whistle, hundreds of fans started streaming onto the field. At first, match stewards in their fluorescent tops surely were confused by the commotion. But it was soon clear that the fans just wanted to go onto the field, rather than face going outside.
"We preferred to stay on the field, that's where we felt safest," Lavergne said.
"We had difficulty understanding the explanations inside the stadium."
After a second public address announcement reassuring fans that it was safe to leave and to take public transport, fans started moving out.
France will host the European Championship next year, and Friday's match was one of a handful of games remaining for coach Didier Deschamps to test the national team before the tournament.
There will now be doubts as to whether it will be safe to host the tournament, with 24 teams involved in matches across the country.
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