Who Was Seth Rich?

[Luther Blissett]

What kind of hunches do you have about the answer to that question, Luther?

I think there's a huge chance that the state requires the Russia narrative to explain the outcome of the election and america's slipping status as the predominant superpower based solely on the characteristics of the figurehead alone, in spite of our military budget, technological prowess and hierarchy of power elites. Someone murdered Rich and it wasn't for his wallet. I do think that conservative media has done their part in poisoning the investigation into the murder of a DC leftist, that was just their role in all of it.

My hunch specifically about Crowdstrike was that they were paid to seize on loose ends to craft an intel narrative because they needed to say that Fancy Bear altered the outcome of the election by design. As an op it was a bad one since they lost the popular vote by 3 million! Did they know that only swing state voters would be coerced to vote for Trump because Obama used a pseudonym? I still disbelieve that any voter who read those emails changed their mind about voting for Clinton. How many people could have possibly read the Podesta emails? I think the idea that they changed anyone's minds, whether it was Fancy Bear, Rich, Putin the man himself, or some other actor is incorrect. This was always how a Trump-Clinton showdown was going to go.

And Podesta definitely did threaten to make an example of the leaker - not the hacker, the leaker.

[Luther Blissett]

All of Seth's Reddit accounts, including those that were secret up until his death, indicate that he was a leftist and Bernie supporter and extremely disillusioned with the Democratic Party. It's funny that the research is slandered as a right-wing conspiracy (and of course there are clearly plenty of conservatives making noise about it) as if to dissuade other Sanders supporters, leftists and socialists from even looking into Rich's own written words.

Also funny that right-wingers can even stomach the contents. I guess hatred of the center-right overrides hatred of the middle-left.

Just for clarification, isn't there only one known Seth Rich Reddit account? The Pandas4Sanders account turned out to be owned by someone else.

As far as I'm aware, Pandas4Sanders was someone else's, but Panda4Progress (singular Panda) and MeGrimlock4 were his.

[Luther Blissett]

^^Was that addressed to "American Dream", Luther? You might ask yourself why that purported "leftist" suddenly appears in this thread merely to copy&paste such execrable reactionary boilerplate from the likes of Media Matters, Vox, and the Miami New Times (sic). The alleged "revolutionary anarchist" who chooses to call himself "American Dream" is entirely incapable of independent thought, so he simply regurgitates the laziest hack journalism on the planet, complete with pointless giant photos of Seth Rich, Roger Stone, Julian Assange and Paul Joseph fucking Watson.

I look forward to seeing The Dream's considered response to your post. It should be educational.

ON EDIT: Ha!

I don't have to guess whether or not American Dream is capable of independent thought, I know that they are.

[American Dream]

Yes- I don't find "Fight Club" type antics very interesting or useful in and of themselves. I come here more for content that helps shines light on the big picture in ways that we can apply positively.

I don't think the text of most Pizzagate/Sandy Hook/Seth Rich type material fits that bill, to be quite honest. It can be useful for showing us where we might have gone wrong and who might be using us for their own ends though- and that is important.

[MacCruiskeen]

I don't have to guess whether or not American Dream is capable of independent thought, I know that they are.

Well, you says you knows, but how many of him are there, exactly? It are a riddle, wrapped in a mysteries, inside one or more enigma. I think we should be told.


Cop puppets

If Team America really are capable of independent thought, where's the evidence of it? Certainly not here, in him's very first post in zur very own words:

Yes- I don't find "Fight Club" type antics very interesting or useful in and of themselves. I come here more for content that helps shines light on the big picture in ways that we can apply positively.

I don't think the text of most Pizzagate/Sandy Hook/Seth Rich type material fits that bill, to be quite honest. It can be useful for showing us where we might have gone wrong and who might be using us for their own ends though- and that is important.

Not a trace of thought to be found there, independent or otherwise. Not a trace of a rational or honest response to what you, or anyone else, actually wrote. Not the slightest positive contribution to the progress of this thread. Not the merest hint of any interest in what actually happened to Seth Rich. Instead, and entirely predictably, Team America (the Board's Cop) serves up a typical lump of rancid flamebait, consisting of nothing but hot air, distraction, evasion, misplaced vanity, flatfooted condescension, slimy insinuation, and no identifiable content that isn't either reactionary or deeply stupid.

They is full of it.

[MacCruiskeen]

This -- if true -- is already enough to demonstrate that the DC cops have gone out of their way to avoid solving this case:

Some investigation this was:

A manager of the Washington, D.C., bar where Democratic National Committee worker Seth Rich was last spotted hours before he was shot and killed last summer told WND that D.C. police officers never interviewed the bar’s staff or requested any evidence from the bar, including the bar’s surveillance video from that night, as part of an investigation into Rich’s murder.

The revelation backs up a claim made by a private investigator who worked on the case who said D.C. police were told to “stand down” on the investigation.

WND also can report that the investigator recently was ordered to “cease and desist” his work on the murder case.

“The police never asked for the surveillance video from that night,” a manager of Lou’s City Bar told WND.

His name is being withheld for this story.

He said the bar’s surveillance video runs in a cycle of 30 days and that, by now, any footage that may have existed of Rich the last night he was seen alive has been taped over.

Furthermore, the manager said police never asked for any other kind of evidence from the bar such as Rich’s bar receipt from that night. The manager did note he wasn’t sure if Rich paid using a credit card or cash.

The manager also said he’s not aware of the police ever interviewing any of the bar’s staff members as part of their investigation into Rich’s murder.

[...]

http://www.wnd.com/2017/05/bar-manager- ... RPGHkpe.99

WND is not a trustworthy source, you say? Well, then, o fastidious ones: Why has nobody from The (brain)Washington Post headed over to Lou's City Bar to interview the people who work there? Why has no one from trustworthy WaPo or the trustworthy NYT asked the police to comment on this unnamed manager's claims? What about trustworthy Media Matters, trustworthy Vox, the Daily "Trustworthy" Beast, or the trustworthy Miami rag quoted at us so reverently by trustworthy American Dream?

Where is Amy fucking Goodman, where are the people from WhoWhatWhy, and where are the rest of the so-called "left" media?

Hiding up their own asses, that's where. Because they too would prefer to see Seth Rich's murder left unsolved rather than even risk any damage to HClinton and the Democratic Party, or their own precious skins.

[mentalgongfu2]

The only people who believe there is a (mainstream) "left media" in the US are Democratic sycophants and Republicans.

I don't know why the cited outlets haven't done what you believe they should, but I'm sure they have an ombudsman you could contact for a direct answer rather than asking RI to speculate.

And Gods Yes, WND is not a credible source. Doubly so when citing an unnamed individual. I thought that would go without saying here.

There are, to me, some troubling questions about the Seth Rich murder, but don'-t expect to get anything other than a smear job from a pure propaganda outlet like WND.

[MacCruiskeen]

The only people who believe there is a (mainstream) "left media" in the US are Democratic sycophants and Republicans.

That's why I put "left" in quotemarks. But Goodman, for instance, would certainly locate herself on what is laughably known as "the left", would she not? She is widely regarded as one of its main spokesmillionaires.

I don't know why the cited outlets haven't done what you believe they should, but I'm sure they have an ombudsman you could contact for a direct answer rather than asking RI to speculate.

Are you joking? (I am amazed at the lengths people will go to to defend these hacks, though by now I shouldn't be.)

And Gods Yes, WND is not a credible source. Doubly so when citing an unnamed individual. I thought that would go without saying here.

There are, to me, some troubling questions about the Seth Rich murder, but don'-t expect to get anything other than a smear job from a pure propaganda outlet like WND.

So you're saying WND made it all up? Here you have a great chance to destroy their reputation completely (or else, on the other hand, to confirm that they are not lying). At any rate, if you're anywhere near DC you have an opportunity to demonstrate how serious you are about all this. That bar's address is not exactly a state secret:

Lou's City Bar @LousCityBar

DC's best neighborhood sports bar at 1400 Irving St NW, a half block from Columbia Heights Metro, featuring 24 taps, 23 HDTVs, projector screen, & patio.

Washington, DC
LousCityBar.com

https://twitter.com/louscitybar?lang=de#

Nobody has to be Sherlock Holmes. Certainly, some kind of press (or even police) accreditation will help.


Lou's City Bar: Not Hard To Find, But Remarkably Easy To Avoid

[mentalgongfu2]

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That's why I put "left" in quotemarks. But Goodman, for instance, would certainly locate herself on the what is laughably known as "the left", would she not? She is widely regarded as one of its main spokesmillionaires.

That's why I qualified with "democratic sycophants."

Are you joking? (I am amazed at the lengths people will go to to defend these hacks, though by now I shouldn't be.)

I said absolutely nothing to defend anyone. I suggested you ask someone who might be able to answer your question. But apparently your question was not a question but a veiled accusation. Surely it's possible to contact someone at WaPo or wherever if you actually cared for an answer.

So you're saying WND made it all up? Here you have a great chance to destroy their reputation completely (or else, on the other hand, to confirm that they are not lying). At any rate, if you're anywhere near DC you have an opportunity to demonstrate how serious you are about all this. That bar's address is not exactly a state secret:

Again with words in my mouth. I clearly did not say WND made it all up, though I would not be the least bit surprised. Why do you suddenly trust anonymous sources? You never have before. Why would WND decline to name the restaurant manager?

I'm not anywhere near to DC, so you have equal opportunity to confirm or destroy WND's reputation if you wish to demonstrate you are serious about all this. I'm sure the phone numbers for WND, the bar, WaPo and every other organization that is involved can easily be located. I anxiously await your first-hand report.

[MacCruiskeen]

Why do you suddenly trust anonymous sources?

Oh ffs, man. I went out of my way to write:

This -- if true -- is already enough to demonstrate that the DC cops have gone out of their way to avoid solving this case:

Verbatim and uncut. Emphasis added.

Why would WND decline to name the restaurant manager?

Several possible reasons come to mind.

Because he asked them not to name him, maybe?

Because he was afraid for his life, perhaps? (The big scaredy-cat! What's he got to be worried about, eh?)

Or, imaginably, because WND made it all up. But then you have to ask yourself why none of the managers or staff at Lou's City Bar have bothered to contradict that report, and why none of the more [cough] trustworthy [/cough] publications, such as the BrainWashington Post (located in the same fucking city and with a gigantic fucking budget at its disposal), have even bothered to follow WND's lead and conduct interviews with the last people to see Seth Rich alive.

[American Dream]

Luther, I just noticed your other comments now and only have a moment to right but not sure I'm fully understanding your view on things. Do you think the American State is divided on the Russia question in convoluted ways? There seems to be a significant split between the populist and/or far Right and the establishment liberal/left crew on this, at minimum.

Certainly- as with Pizzagate before- having Foxy News personalities (as well as Roger Stone, WND, Paul Joseph Watson and the like) on your "side" leads towards a particular set of outcomes. Beyond that, it's hard to discern exactly why and how the forces are constellating as they are. I have no love lost for the DNC and the hierarchies they represent but I do know that attacking them provides a perfect foil for people who are generally to the right of them, so not sure how that reconciles with the skullduggery that Dems really do vs. spurious psyop claims.

So this is all a roundabout way of asking for more on how you see the Deep Politics behind and around the Trump-Clinton showdown, especially as it involves intelligence agencies, Dems, Repubs, Trump and Clinton in particular, owning class institutions in general, as well as anyone else who is particularly relevant.

What kind of hunches do you have about the answer to that question, Luther?

I think there's a huge chance that the state requires the Russia narrative to explain the outcome of the election and america's slipping status as the predominant superpower based solely on the characteristics of the figurehead alone, in spite of our military budget, technological prowess and hierarchy of power elites. Someone murdered Rich and it wasn't for his wallet. I do think that conservative media has done their part in poisoning the investigation into the murder of a DC leftist, that was just their role in all of it.

My hunch specifically about Crowdstrike was that they were paid to seize on loose ends to craft an intel narrative because they needed to say that Fancy Bear altered the outcome of the election by design. As an op it was a bad one since they lost the popular vote by 3 million! Did they know that only swing state voters would be coerced to vote for Trump because Obama used a pseudonym? I still disbelieve that any voter who read those emails changed their mind about voting for Clinton. How many people could have possibly read the Podesta emails? I think the idea that they changed anyone's minds, whether it was Fancy Bear, Rich, Putin the man himself, or some other actor is incorrect. This was always how a Trump-Clinton showdown was going to go.

And Podesta definitely did threaten to make an example of the leaker - not the hacker, the leaker.

[Elvis]

I have no love lost for the DNC and the hierarchies they represent but I do know that attacking them provides a perfect foil for people who are generally to the right of them

Fear. That's why establishment lefties are afraid to attack Democratic skullduggery. Fuck the truth, right? What would the neighbors think if I go around agreeing with Sean Hannity?! It's not worth the embarassment. Let's just forgive and forget DNC crimes, lest we give the right more ammunition.

[MacCruiskeen]

Luther, I just noticed your other comments now and only have a moment to right but not sure I'm fully understanding your view on things.

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So this is all a roundabout way of asking for more on how you see the Deep Politics behind and around the Trump-Clinton showdown, especially as it involves intelligence agencies, Dems, Repubs, Trump and Clinton in particular, owning class institutions in general, as well as anyone else who is particularly relevant.

ThIs is all a roundabout way of wasting Luther's time and everyone else's in this thread, you spooky disingenuous pseudleft troll. Take your belated and feeble attempts to cover your ass elsewhere, and stop attempting to throw this thread off-topic. This is a thread about the unsolved murder of Seth Rich, about which you know nothing and care even less.

[km artlu]

belated and feeble attempts to cover your ass

That was precisely my impression while reading through the earnest flow of engagement and curiosity; the brimming goodwill and desire for understanding that has suddenly dawned.

[Luther Blissett]

Luther, I just noticed your other comments now and only have a moment to right but not sure I'm fully understanding your view on things. Do you think the American State is divided on the Russia question in convoluted ways? There seems to be a significant split between the populist and/or far Right and the establishment liberal/left crew on this, at minimum.

Certainly- as with Pizzagate before- having Foxy News personalities (as well as Roger Stone, WND, Paul Joseph Watson and the like) on your "side" leads towards a particular set of outcomes. Beyond that, it's hard to discern exactly why and how the forces are constellating as they are. I have no love lost for the DNC and the hierarchies they represent but I do know that attacking them provides a perfect foil for people who are generally to the right of them, so not sure how that reconciles with the skullduggery that Dems really do vs. spurious psyop claims.

So this is all a roundabout way of asking for more on how you see the Deep Politics behind and around the Trump-Clinton showdown, especially as it involves intelligence agencies, Dems, Repubs, Trump and Clinton in particular, owning class institutions in general, as well as anyone else who is particularly relevant.

My primary concern is on building a better world and a lot of my left / liberal friends are not currently rootstriking on progressive issues because they are entertained by the glowing orb or the golf cart or Putin. Even if the dual power / community organizing work does seem like a massive waste of time or resources or a spinning of the wheels given the current state of the country. Totally agree that the populace does seem to be split on Russia but I'm on team "there's something to Trump's business ties to Russia and lingering indebtedness to Russian oligarchs but the 'election' was not 'hacked'." In the end I'm most concerned about migrant families, police brutality, prison abolition, pipelines, and sea level rise, and the Russia thing ain't helping.

I don't really know about the DNC vs. psyops claims either. I'm coming at this issue from the angle that conservative and right conspiratorial media have poisoned the well regarding the murder of a left-leaning insider, and not the other way around. I probably could have gone either way on this one but it just doesn't pass the test. Just as I ignore Comet Ping Pong for its distinct lack of victims, this one stinks to me because someone died and I don't know why.

I think that the stronger power hierarchies in the country, as well as the bulk of the intelligence community, lost the public / "entertainment" wing of the political game this time around, but not the grip on the international game or the money / military prowess that they represent. When we talk about feuds being waged between different factions of the global elite, I think Trump only represents on its face a small portion of them. Is he useful to them? Extremely. I fear for the nastiness that will be spun out of this presidency by the security state, the military, and financial power.

This is how at least in my mind a (possible) direct DNC hit on Rich and resultant psyop by conservative media to get the left to ignore it easily fits into my worldview, even if that could be confirmation bias.