TRUMP is seriously dangerous

[seemslikeadream]

@jennyslate
Bad day for "Tic Tacs" "Pussy grabbers" "Billy Bush" & "Furniture Shopping" AND YES IM NOW DRESSED AS A FULL WITCH

Ryan Teague Beckwith ✔@ryanbeckwith
Who knew that two of the most important interviewers in the 2016 cycle would turn out to be Billy Bush and Howard Stern?
3:22 PM - 7 Oct 2016

[brekin]

I wonder how many worse things have been said by the likes of Clinton or JFK? I don't really care as long as they make a good President.

Am I missing something? You don't thinking maybe admitting to forcing oneself on women would pretty much exclude someone from making someone "a good president"? Or is normalizing sexual assault part of making America great?

Also, as an aside, (and i'm a jfk fan of sorts) what the fuck did jfk do other than make some neat speeches? And Clinton? Besides not starting any big hot wars he rode the Internet wave that could have happened probably in almost any administration.

If they said or did worst than Trump, then fuck em to. And really with Bill we all know he probably did. So, in the end we probably get the wife of a serial abuser, instead of a serial abuser.

[82_28]

JFK and Clinton weren't first racist, sexist scumbags that lent themselves to vast libraries of footage of the most ugly nature of America. Trump just underestimated how the past would come back to hopefully haunt him.

But then again. All of us do not know.

[Freitag]

I wonder how many worse things have been said by the likes of Clinton or JFK? I don't really care as long as they make a good President.

Am I missing something? You don't thinking maybe admitting to forcing oneself on women would pretty much exclude someone from making someone "a good president"? Or is normalizing sexual assault

You're reading into that transcript what you want to see. When he says "grab them by the..." he's giving an example of being able to "do anything". As in, that's what you could do. Not "that's what I have done". He's riffing on what the other guy said.

I'm not saying the conversation isn't off-putting, it certainly is. And I don't like the fact that Trump went after a married woman. I don't trust his moral compass and he's got issues with being petty and having to win all the time.

But to answer your question, both JFK and Clinton forced themselves on women and were good Presidents. Not good people, obviously, but good Presidents. (In JFK's case it was a young intern, Mimi Alford, and she became infatuated with him and eventually wrote a book about it. If it wasn't rape, it was certainly exploitation of a power imbalance as well as marital infidelity. And I'm sure there were plenty more who never wrote books.)

[seemslikeadream]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLYHu0AG8GI

[brekin]

I wonder how many worse things have been said by the likes of Clinton or JFK? I don't really care as long as they make a good President.

Am I missing something? You don't thinking maybe admitting to forcing oneself on women would pretty much exclude someone from making someone "a good president"? Or is normalizing sexual assault

You're reading into that transcript what you want to see. When he says "grab them by the..." he's giving an example of being able to "do anything". As in, that's what you could do. Not "that's what I have done". He's riffing on what the other guy said.
I'm not saying the conversation isn't off-putting, it certainly is. And I don't like the fact that Trump went after a married woman. I don't trust his moral compass and he's got issues with being petty and having to win all the time.
But to answer your question, both JFK and Clinton forced themselves on women and were good Presidents. Not good people, obviously, but good Presidents. (In JFK's case it was a young intern, Mimi Alford, and she became infatuated with him and eventually wrote a book about it. If it wasn't rape, it was certainly exploitation of a power imbalance as well as marital infidelity. And I'm sure there were plenty more who never wrote books.)

Well, it seems he's clearly saying that:

1. He believes he is going to start kissing the woman.
2. And he "doesn't even wait" when he kisses them, pretty clearly saying he doesn't wait for their consent.
2. And then he says when your a star they let you do that. Implying that he can do that without their consent because he's a star.
3. And then he says you can do anything.
4. And by way of example such as grab them by the pussy.
5. And then again reiterates you can do anything.

I don't think its really reading between the lines to see he is saying, "I don't wait for consent with women because I'm a star and I can do anything to them, like kissing them or grabbing their pussy."

I think even Trump would agree with that.

“I’ve gotta use some tic tacs, just in case I start kissing her,” Trump says.“You know I’m automatically attracted to beautiful -- I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait.”
“And when you’re a star they let you do it,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”
“Whatever you want,” says another voice, apparently Bush’s.
“Grab them by the p---y,” Trump says. “You can do anything.”

[Iamwhomiam]

I don't trust his moral compass and he's got issues with being petty and having to win all the time.

Had the people been aware of Clinton or Kennedy's behavior towards women, they deservedly would have been rejected as being candidates worthy of becoming President. As we now know, candidate Trump should be rejected for this highly honorable position because he's a repulsive asshole besides being a gross sexual offender.

Maybe aliens will abduct him, or maybe that's just what they'll tell us after he disappears.Those lizards are friggin everywhere!

edited to add,
I forgot to include my main point, that I'm amazed Freitag believes Trump has a moral compass!

Also,

When he says "grab them by the..." he's giving an example of being able to "do anything". As in, that's what you could do. Not "that's what I have done". He's riffing on what the other guy said.

Listen to the video. He indeed is saying what he "does." Trump: "I just start kissing them, it's like a magnet. Just kiss, I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything." Bush: "Whatever you want." Trump: "Grab them by the pussy; you can do anything."

Misogynistic psychopaths know no boundaries, they lack completely any sort of moral compass. I feel sure they would also claim that our expecting them to have some sort of moral compass to be an absurd attempt to restrain their personal freedom of expression, while decrying the extremes of political correctness.

Authorities will find Trump dead in one of his hotels after a prostitute servicing him calls 911. Authorities will claim he suffered a heart attack or aneurysm, but we'll know more after autopsy. Needle marks on his arm authorities claimed were from a speedball cocktail administered by the prostitute, who said "he paid extra for, just like always." She also said his last words were, "Top of the world!"

Sources close to the investigation have requested to remain anonymous because they're unauthorized to speak publicly claim Trump's autopsy report shows no traces of cocaine or heroin were found in his blood.

[Freitag]

I don't trust his moral compass and he's got issues with being petty and having to win all the time.

Had the people been aware of Clinton or Kennedy's behavior towards women, they deservedly would have been rejected as being candidates worthy of becoming President.

But they were good Presidents, weren't they? It's weird how the best person isn't always the best President. By all accounts Jimmy Carter is a wonderful human being but he was a lousy President. Bill Clinton is a heel but was a good President. Just like you don't want to hire a nice lawyer...you may want a mean, intimidating one because they will be most effective at their job. I'm just saying it's a gray area.

[dada]

Courting white supremacists? Ah, that's just stagecraft. But Clinton cheated? Unforgivable. It tells me something about that person.

Your disingenuity is betrayed by the Clinton campaign's operating off of frighteningly regressive Saudi largesse, as one easy example.

I do not support Trump. I full-throatedly believe America has a better chance fending off Trump than Clinton.

Not being disingenuous. I don't support Clinton.

I get that you believe what you believe. You already made it clear, there's no need to reiterate it.

We all fight for what's important to us.

[seemslikeadream]

The Sneaky Trick Hitler And Trump Both Used To Seem Important
In the internet age, we call it a “sockpuppet.”
10/07/2016 02:29 pm ET

Claire Fallon
Culture Writer, The Huffington Post

Hitler knew the effectiveness of a well-executed sockpuppet way before the internet even existed.
New research, reported on by The New York Times this week, argues that Adolf Hitler once wrote a book lauding himself as Germany’s future savior ― and had it published under another man’s name.

The short book, Adolf Hitler: His Life and His Speeches, was purportedly written by Baron Adolf Victor von Koerber and published in 1923, well before Hitler rose to power. Von Koerber was a real person, an aristocrat with mainstream conservative bona fides. The Times notes that “[s]cholars have said that Hitler sought Mr. von Koerber out for the biography,” seeking to legitimize himself through the endorsement of an establishment figure. Now, however, documents found in von Koerber’s archives seem to show that Hitler composed the entire book, with the named author contributing nothing but his byline.

Published before Mein Kampf, and before he’d seriously begun jockeying for national power, the book compared him to Jesus and advanced an image of the rabble-rousing beer-hall speaker as a vital force in German politics.

Obviously, this angle would be way more convincing if someone other than Hitler wrote it ― and research from Thomas Weber, a historian at the University of Aberdeen, suggests the future dictator knew that all too well. “He does not have to expressly say, ‘I want to be leader,’” Weber explained to the Times. “He creates the expectation that others will call him to become the leader.”

Sound familiar? With the wheels greased by technology, a false or illusory identity created to legitimize oneself and gin up support has grown into such a phenomenon it has a name: the sockpuppet. A sockpuppet is a false identity used to attack your opponents, express support for yourself, or otherwise create the appearance of false numbers in your camp. Usually these sockpuppets are entirely fictional, unlike Hitler’s von Koerber; online it’s tricky to prove or disprove the existence of a person behind the Twitter, Reddit, Amazon or Yelp account. (We can thank that for MTV’s “Catfish.”)

Even before that, a certain businessman-cum-presidential-candidate took the telephone approach to sockpuppetry. Donald Trump, according to reports this spring, used to speak to journalists while posing as a publicist named John Miller or John Barron ― throughout the 1970s, ‘80s, and ‘90s. Under this guise, he’d lavishly praise Trump’s attractiveness to women, his financial health, and his all-around excellence.

But as these reports indicate, sockpuppets often are outed in the end. Trump publicly denied posing as Miller or Barron, but he also admitted to it during testimony in court in 1990.

Trump, posing as John Miller, reportedly told one journalist in 1991, “Actresses just call to see if they can go out with him and things.”
Scott Adams, the self-aggrandizing cartoonist behind “Dilbert,” had a sockpuppet scandal several years ago, when he was caught defending himself as a “certified genius” on a Metafilter thread under another name. Several years before that, New Republic critic Lee Siegel was suspended after being caught posing as a commenter in the New Republic forums in order to castigate his haters and swaddle himself in praise.

From Hitler to the Twitter eggs clogging up your mentions, the intent is the same: To manipulate public opinion by creating a mirage of external validation for the originator.

To be clear: Using a sockpuppet is not remotely equivalent to Nazism ― it’s a tactic, not a governing philosophy or a set of political beliefs. (Godwin’s Law check!) Another caveat comes, in the Times article, from Harvard historian Charles S. Maier, who cautions that this revelation may prove little more than Hitler’s use of a similar approach to many politicians working with ghostwriters on as-told-to biographies.

“The difference, Professor Maier argued, is that most subjects of ghostwritten memoirs want their own name on the text,” notes the Times. For Hitler, and for sockpuppeteers everywhere, that’s a difference that matters.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hit ... a43031af91

[km artlu]

what the fuck did jfk do other than make some neat speeches?

You could find out brekin, by reading JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglas. Or you could watch the film Thirteen Days.

[seemslikeadream]

what the fuck did jfk do other than make some neat speeches?

You could find out brekin, by reading JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglas. Or you could watch the film Thirteen Days.

spilled out his brains all over on his wife's pink suit


and

He was awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Medal for heroism during World War II

John F. Kennedy is the youngest ever elected President of the United States

He took the U.S. economy out of recession through his reforms

He established the Peace Corps in 1961

JFK averted nuclear war through his negotiations with Soviet leader Khrushchev

He contributed in the formation of the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty

He worked towards civil rights for African Americans

He was responsible for the Equal Pay Act of 1963

in 1,036 days

[82_28]

what the fuck did jfk do other than make some neat speeches?

You could find out brekin, by reading JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglas. Or you could watch the film Thirteen Days.

I can vouch for the amount of research that went into that book. I only read the manuscript since I was friends with Douglass' son. He worked decades or so on it.

[Iamwhomiam]

Freitag, with Trump, nothing is gray. He is pure technicolor! He is not President and will not ever be, as more clearly than ever has been shown to be unfit and unqualified for that office.

It is not for me to say if Kennedy or Clinton were good presidents, but I do think it a miracle that Clinton managed to rein-in and balance our budget after the tremendous debt left by the previous 12 years of Republican administration of that office. He was a disaster for poor people.

Kennedy is and will be best known for coming out on top in the Cuban missile crisis, but he wasn't the wisest of leaders. He was young, our youngest President ever, and our first Roman Catholic President. Old money alliances hated his nouveau riche Irish gangster father and hated his spawn.

Frankly, they are both entirely irrelevant to this issue involving Trump.

[brekin]

what the fuck did jfk do other than make some neat speeches?

You could find out brekin, by reading JFK and the Unspeakable by James Douglas. Or you could watch the film Thirteen Days.

spilled out his brains all over on his wife's pink suit
and
He was awarded the Navy and Marine Corps Medal for heroism during World War II
John F. Kennedy is the youngest ever elected President of the United States
He took the U.S. economy out of recession through his reforms
He established the Peace Corps in 1961
JFK averted nuclear war through his negotiations with Soviet leader Khrushchev
He contributed in the formation of the Partial Nuclear Test Ban Treaty
He worked towards civil rights for African Americans
He was responsible for the Equal Pay Act of 1963
in 1,036 days

I read that book, and it is great. But young dead heroes cut down in their prime get all the credit. LBJ did everything JFK wanted to do (and probably wouldn't have ever been able to do by most objective accounts) and JFK had some royal fuck ups in his presidency as well as shining moments.

I don't trust his moral compass and he's got issues with being petty and having to win all the time.

Had the people been aware of Clinton or Kennedy's behavior towards women, they deservedly would have been rejected as being candidates worthy of becoming President.

But they were good Presidents, weren't they? It's weird how the best person isn't always the best President. By all accounts Jimmy Carter is a wonderful human being but he was a lousy President. Bill Clinton is a heel but was a good President. Just like you don't want to hire a nice lawyer...you may want a mean, intimidating one because they will be most effective at their job. I'm just saying it's a gray area.

Freitag I get your point, but I think you are compartmentalizing too much. Politicians, leaders, have the people's trust that they will not abuse their position for personal gain against those who have less power than they do. That really is their mandate. You are not a good president if you balance the budget but are preying on those who are powerless to stop you. That is how it works in a democratic society, and is the litmus test. Now someone could be an effective (good) general, good electrician, etc. and still be a shitty human being sure. But a president leads by example and is a model of norms. That is why personal scandals often sink them, their legitimacy is based on doing the right thing for the people. Grabbing their pussies without consent is not doing the people right. There are some sentences I am surprised to find I have typed.

I mean even at a much more micro level those who are in power have a responsibility for not abusing their positions power. Read this story about the Chipolte Managers below. Even if these two guys "were good managers" in the sense they ran an efficient store, sales were up, etc. exploiting their employees who were at a disadvantage made them "bad managers".


Chipotle to pay 16-year-old nearly $8 million for 'outrageous' sexual assault

The victim was 16 when she started working at Chipotle (CMG) in late 2013 to earn extra money. Within weeks, she says her 26-year-old assistant manager started touching her breasts. He pretended it was an accident at first.
Soon assistant manager Gerardo Solis was regularly touching her and "grooming" her for sex at a Chipotle in Houston, Texas. By the summer of 2014, it got to the point where he would have unprotected sex with her "at the restaurant dumpster, in the restroom, in the office and other places," the lawsuit states.
"Chipotle's conduct in this case was outrageous," said attorney Ben Hall, who represented the teenager in the case. "Chipotle wanted to couch it as a relationship, but the jury was clear you cannot have a sexual relationship with a 16-year-old child. That's why they call it a sexual assault."
The young woman's name was withheld since she is a sexual assault victim.
The jury awarded the young woman and her mother $7.65 million on Monday, one of the largest awards of its kind in Texas. Chipotle must pay the bill, since the company was found liable in addition to the two managers named in the case.

Mother tried to intervene

The victim's mother claims she notified Solis' boss, the general manager, but he did nothing. In fact, he likely helped cover up what was going on. When the mother showed up once to pick up her daughter from work and found that the daughter and Solis were not there, the general manager begged her not to call police.
The lawsuit portrays a hostile work environment for women where the two managers "would have sex, kiss, hug, sexually touch and pursue intimate relationships" with young employees. They would also make frequent comments about the breasts and butts of female workers and customers.
"The unrestrained and unrepentant abuse of this child was unforgivable," says Hall.
Solis is believed to have fled to Mexico to avoid criminal prosecution.
In a statement, Chipotle said, "We care deeply about all of our employees...We continue to offer our support for this former employee, and hope for her wellbeing."

The company tried to claim the relationship occurred outside the workplace, but the lawsuit said it happened everywhere -- at work and beyond.
"He took her twice to the Chipotle dumpster right behind the restaurant to have sex," says Hall. "Then he requested to have sex with her in the Chipotle bathroom."
The lawsuits says Solis would even remove the girl from work and take her places like a nearby park to have sex with her, "thereby depriving her of earnings and abusing her."
This is the latest high-profile blow for Chipotle. The company is trying to regain customer and worker trust after the E.coli outbreaks that began in July 2015 and lasted through January 2016. On top of that, nearly 10,000 current and former workers are suing the company for making them work off the clock without pay.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/29/news/ch ... ault-case/