RI "Bad" Guys: UR DOIN IT WRONG

[elfismiles]

So to continue...I referenced the Alien Abductions and the Monarch Project thread, which I hope many will find instructive as to the overall scope of the issue at hand.

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I hope I've laid out the preliminaries to what happens next, which is the infiltration of DreamEnd and the beginning of his downfall. It should also be noted that at this time, Theresa Duncan is alive and an admirer of RI. Not sure if she had an account but remember, many things happen behind the scenes and through PMs and e-mails. DE, ET and many many others will attest to this.

Again, I will answer question related to what I have posted specifically. I do not pretend to know all and would appreciate help if anyone has observation related to this to add.

You are doing a GREAT job CC. Please continue.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I want it made clear I am backing everything CC is sharing here.

[psynapz]

I want it made clear I am backing everything CC is sharing here.

So then do you think we struck a collective nerve with the perps, and this is the best abatement/neutralization effort they can muster?

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I want it made clear I am backing everything CC is sharing here.

So then do you think we struck a collective nerve with the perps, and this is the best abatement/neutralization effort they can muster?

I can't answer that, and after years of speculation, I simply refuse to speculate, or entertain my own speculations when I do. Honestly, the perps you're thinking of are probably so insulated that even places like this don't offer much in the way of threat.

I summarized what I think here:

viewtopic.php?p=313146#p313146

[kenoma]

I want some fucking answers to what's been going on here. My dead and desecrated fiance is on Kid Kenoma's blog, and I'm not getting much fucking support here.

WTF????

KID kenoma:

http://kidkenoma.wordpress.com/

Ahhh. Ok. Sorry. Just a little diconcerting to see what you begin to think of as 'your' name at the centre of something you don't recognize and barely comprehend.

So "they" are using board member handles in other ways to sow distrust - in the same manner as what happened to WbtRex?

Or is that too paranoid?

In the case of my 'name', yes it probably is. I know 'kenoma' isn't an uncommon net pseudonym, and one that would certainly appeal to the type drawn to the dimestore gnosticism displayed in that blog linked above.*
I doubt anyway I was drawn into this mess because
(a) I'm an infrequent and not well-known contributor to this forum
and
(b) those who played a part in whatever is unfolding here (the good and the bad guys) seem to have posted and/or lurked in a specific cluster of threads and subforums which myself and, I suspect, a large proportion of RIer's were only vaguely aware existed. Not because we discounted the truth or value of these threads, but because we just didn't have the time or energy to devote to them on top of everything else. This "arg" thing that happened, whatever it was/is, is interesting because so far as I can make out, it was quite determined to pick out and pick on a certain segment of the RI population. Is that to do with the substance of the threads and forums that were picked upon, or the profile of those who posted upon them? I have no idea, because I'm not familiar enough with the subject matter.
Ships in the night.

*When I picked that name, years ago, I was only dimly aware of its currency in those circles, and I'm still not entirely clued in. I chose it as a half-joke about powerlessness in a commodity-saturated culture, and as a half-rhyme on my fleshworld name. It had something to with reading Walter Benjamin rather heavily.
yeah, yeah, I know... Anyway this association with the 'KidKenoma' unpleasantness offers a chance to back away from a name I've begun to detest in any case. So if I should reappear here under a different handle, don't read it as sockpuppetteering, okay? I'll be born again. Hallelujah!

[Et in Arcadia ego]

This "arg" thing that happened, whatever it was/is, is interesting because so far as I can make out, it was quite determined to pick out and pick on a certain segment of the RI population. Is that to do with the substance of the threads and forums that were picked upon, or the profile of those who posted upon them?

You are correct. The targets here are individuals involved in RI/MC issues, along with Jeff and myself. There is a belief that the author strongly feels that one or more members here who make RA/MC claims are being disingenuous, and its nearly impossible for Jeff to substantiate that kind of thing, so as a consequence, the accusation that he is contributing to disinfo is made.

I would like to make it very clear that at this time, I am choosing not to focus on this. Whether there is any substance to it or not, the vehicle employed by Miss Delgado is one that delivers a divide and conquer mechanism that I will simply not subscribe to. Delivery is everything, folks. Even if Delgado has concerns of true merit, how they were gone about guarantees them being categorically dismissed.

As far as your screen name here goes, there is no need to make a new account. If you would like to use a different nick, in this case its perfectly acceptable for us to change it for you, so if you would like to do that, please let Jeff or myself know via PM.

I apologize for the scare you got last night when you read all this stuff. It must have been alarming thinking you were being implicated, but you weren't.

Cheers,
Arcadia

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I move that Jeff & co. post a sticky about carefulness with personal information, etc., and PMs, as well as just give some background

Done. I just posted a general warning announcement in GD.

[Project Willow]

This is just a discussion board. Although it is a convenient place to concentrate information on some highly charged issues, generally that information already exists elsewhere. If someone with serious power wanted this board gone, it would be. (Sorry Jeff, that's just my pessimistic view.)

I've never met an ra/mc survivor online who was completely free, that is, who had successfully uncovered and reconditioned their alter system. So it should always be assumed that some part of a survivor is at least vulnerable to and likely is working for the other side. If you start out in that position it's much easier to erect effective boundaries, (unless you're an idiot like me.)

It is not out of the realm of possibility that a single ra/mc survivor could have multiple alters posting here under multiple screen names AND BE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF IT.

I would also say that, given the various input channels of an ra/mc survivor, it can be easy to conflate normative world bullying with perp accessing. I've seen that happen enough times now, and that is part of how the apparent inept gamers effectively get to vulnerable survivors.

IOW what can look like word salad to an outsider can have strong (and destructive) meaning for others. I hope that management of the board avails itself of some detailed knowledge in this area going forward as well.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

If someone with serious power wanted this board gone, it would be. (Sorry Jeff, that's just my pessimistic view.)

I agree completely.

It is not out of the realm of possibility that a single ra/mc survivor could have multiple alters posting here under multiple screen names AND BE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF IT.

While fascinating and frightening, its ultimately irrelevant. If a person, or a fracture of a person is deliberately damaging the community and we learn of it, they're outta here.

I hope that management of the board avails itself of some detailed knowledge in this area going forward as well.

The management would encourage the sharing of these triggers and the forms they can take so vigilance in guarding against them can be enhanced.

[nathan28]

I move that Jeff & co. post a sticky about carefulness with personal information, etc., and PMs, as well as just give some background

Done. I just posted a general warning announcement in GD.

Well I'm flattered my suggestion was taken.

If at some point you want to hold forth on the chemtrail forums people, I'd appreciate having access to that background, since I don't know anything about it and it sounds relevant. A lot of this crap sounds like it hails from the lesser hells of the Usenet.

On edit, I want to see the rest of what Cowbell was saying, too.

[Canadian_watcher]

Well, I'm still baffled. Although I've picked up the idea that this is probably a good, and common, thing. So, to get this straight, a group of about three individuals have been using sock puppets to disrupt the group, apparently aiming at some particular level of disruption this month, and they are ARGers. Still not entirely sure what one of those is, I'll have to look it up. Some sort of treasure hunt by the looks of it. And 8bitagent, who I had believed to be a popular and respected poster, was one of them or their sock puppets or something along those lines. And for several years now this has all been going on behind the scenes while the rest of us have mostly failed to notice.

And people say I'm paranoid for seeing shadowy cabals behind everything. Still, thanks would seem to be in order to the covert forces of light, although at this stage I'm still not entirely sure what for.

DITTO.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

If you guys are reading this and it makes no sense, it likely is something you don't even need to worry about. Trust me, if you were a part of this, target or otherwise, you would already have a grasp of what we have discussed.

If not, just ignore this thread. And do so knowing that I deeply envy your ignorance.

[Alaya]

Thank you very much, Cowbell for explaining things in this manner. Please do continue...everyone who participates here needs to know this history.

Also, has anyone else thought that Tina Delgado = OSR?

[chump]

I think that a lot of what you are talking about is the flood of long, off topic posts that sour a discussion. I have seen that happen a lot. There seem to be some hot topics that draw this kind of attention, such as the ones mentioned above. If a post is off topic or inflammatory, I try to just scoot on by it. There are a few posters who I have learned to just ignore.

I try to keep my posts short and to the point and I don't say anything to anybody that I wouldn't say to their face. I'm not here to waste anybody's time - including my own. So far, I haven't had any hassles and as far as I know haven't created any.

In a sense, I feel that I have gotten to know many of you here (whatever), and really, at this moment, can't think of anyone that I don't like. I hope that you can do what you must to resolve any problems that you are having and continue to maintain the free flow of discussion that I think most of us come here for. It's the best.

Thanks

[RocketMan]

Thanks for clearing things up further, et in Arcadia ego, Cowbell, c2w et al. And sorry et in Arcadia, for earlier posting some not too flattering things about you... After hearing about this years-long drama and the twisted mofos behind it, no wonder you're a bit touchy about the community and its security.

I'm still thankful to have this place, I hope it goes on.