Giffords shooting

[Cedars of Overburden]

Michael Winship and AlterNet need fact checkers. The church shooting he's referring to took place in Knoxville, Tennessee, not Kentucky. (I know, I know -- it's hard to tell us apart.)

[beeline]

http://schizophreniabulletin.oxfordjournals.org/content/10/3/430.abstract


This article combines a review and meta-analysis of research on IQ in schizophrenia, with emphasis on areas of convergence in the findings, as well as questions that remain to be answered. Taken together, the findings suggest that early-onset and adult-onset schizophrenia are associated with intellectual deficits across the lifespan. Preschizophrenic children, adolescents, and young adults perform below matched controls on a variety of standardized measures of intelligence. Significant IQ deficits are also apparent after the onset of the disorder. Moreover, IQ is positively related to several indices of prognosis, and, among hospitalized patients, there is negative within-subject covariance between intellectual performance and symptom severity. Although there is fairly consistent evidence that Verbal IQ is higher than Performance IQ among schizophrenic patients, a more specific pattern of subtest performance is not apparent. A central question raised by the results is whether IQ is an independently determined factor that can serve to mitigate the vulnerability of individuals who are constitutionally predisposed to schizophrenia, or whether intellectual deficit is one manifestation of the constitutional predisposition to the disorder. The findings also raise the question of possible sex differences in the developmental determinants of schizophrenia: Meta-analyses revealed that premorbid IQ deficits are more prevalent among males than females.

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who are these people:

ourteen people were wounded and survived the attack, including:[2]

* Gabrielle Giffords, U.S. Representative from Arizona.[29]
* Bill Badger, 74. A retired army colonel whose head was grazed by a bullet, moments before subduing the suspect.[21]
* Ron Barber, deputy director for Giffords.[29]
* Eric Fuller, 63. A military veteran and retired limousine driver, hit in the leg and back by bullet fragments.[95]
* Susan Hileman, shot in the leg, hip, abdomen and chest while accompanying Christina Taylor Green.[96]
* George Morris, a retired marine and former airline pilot, survived two gunshot wounds while trying to shield his wife Dorothy, who died.[83]
* Pam Simon, staffer for Giffords.[29]
* Mavy Stoddard, shot in the leg three times while shielded by her husband Dorwin.[83]

[sfnate]

How can you separate out cognitive distortion from stupidity based on what you've read that he's posted? And what makes you think that he meant to say conscious rather than conscience?

When the conscience dreams, it manifests distorted and grotesque visions of its own morality transformed into the awful shape of abject guilt and remorse.

Loughner's malaprop reveals a fractured state of mind: divided against himself, he murdered his own conscience then turned the violence outward into the lucid dreamscape that is the schizophrenic's waking reality.

I am interested to see how the evolving entanglement of this man's diabolic imaginings with Ms. Gifford's pre-shooting life (cf. the YouTube thread) will transform and shape the narrative into something resembling an archetypal encounter of angels and demons struggling for supremacy behind the alter of the Secret Religion.

Already the atmosphere feels highly charged and potentiated for the unconscious to deliver new predicaments and misery for the audience, which is becoming deeply transfixed and distracted by the morphine needle of popular and elitist analysis. Meanwhile, real occult mischief is underway, assisted by the Ahrimanic deceivers who demand these regular sacrifices as cruel inducements for perpetual tithes--we are prisoners in the pews of progress, and the stations of our collective cross are the places where our conscience dreams of death while hoping for salvation.

[Nordic]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 03689.html

Glock pistol sales surge in aftermath of Arizona shootings

Glock pistol sales surge in aftermath of Arizona shootings



By Michael Riley
(c) 2011 Bloomberg News
Tuesday, January 11, 2011; 1:18 PM
After a Glock-wielding gunman killed six people at a Tucson shopping center on Jan. 8, Greg Wolff, the owner of two Arizona gun shops, told his manager to get ready for a stampede of new customers.

Wolff was right. Instead of hurting sales, the massacre had the $499 semi-automatic pistols -- popular with police, sport shooters and gangsters -- flying out the doors of his Glockmeister stores in Mesa and Phoenix.

"We're at double our volume over what we usually do," Wolff said two days after the shooting spree that also left 14 wounded, including Democratic Representative Gabrielle Giffords, who remains in critical condition.

A national debate over weaknesses in state and federal gun laws stirred by the shooting has stoked fears among gun buyers that stiffer restrictions may be coming from Congress, gun dealers say. The result is that a deadly demonstration of the weapon's effectiveness has also fired up sales of handguns in Arizona and other states, according to federal law enforcement data.

"When something like this happens people get worried that the government is going to ban stuff," Wolff said.

Arizona gun dealers say that among the biggest sellers over the past two days is the Glock 19 made by privately held Glock GmbH, based in Deutsch-Wagram, Austria, the model used in the shooting.

One-day sales of handguns in Arizona jumped 60 percent on Jan. 10 compared with the corresponding Monday a year ago, the second-biggest increase of any state in the country, according to Federal Bureau of Investigation data. From a year earlier, handgun sales ticked up yesterday 65 percent in Ohio, 16 percent in California, 38 percent in Illinois and 33 percent in New York, the FBI data show, and increased nationally about 5 percent.

Federally tracked gun sales, which are drawn from sales in gun stores that require a federal background check, also jumped following the 2007 massacre at Virginia Tech, in which 32 people were killed.

"Whenever there is a huge event, especially when it's close to home, people do tend to run out and buy something to protect their family," said Don Gallardo, a manager at Arizona Shooter's World in Phoenix, who said that the number of people signing up for the store's concealed weapons class doubled over the weekend. Gallardo said he expects handgun sales to climb steadily throughout the week.

Jared Loughner, the 22-year-old accused in the shooting, has a petty criminal record, yet so far there's no evidence that his background contained anything that would have prevented him from buying a handgun in Arizona, where limits on owning and carrying a gun are among the most permissive in the country, according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a gun- control advocacy group.

Critics have focused on the extended magazine used in the shooting that would have been illegal until 2004 under the expired federal ban on assault weapons. The clip -- still banned in some states and popular in Arizona, gun dealers say -- allegedly allowed Loughner to fire 33 rounds without reloading.

Democratic Representative Carolyn McCarthy of New York said this week that she plans to introduce legislation that would ban the high-capacity magazine. McCarthy's husband was one of six people shot to death in 1993 by a lone gunman on a Long Island railroad train. Her son was among the 19 people wounded.

This guy is the "Jared" of Glock.

Instead of losing weight by eating their food (a campaign that I never understood. Food that makes you lose weight? How can that be desirable?), you can kill people MOST effectively by emulating Jared Lee Laughner's tastes in gun ownership!

[Crow]

“We know that silence equals consent when atrocities are committed against innocent men, women and children. We know that indifference equals complicity when bigotry, hatred and intolerance are allowed to take root. And we know that education and hope are the most effective ways to combat ignorance and despair.”

If Giffords makes a full recovery, she would have a great chance at the presidency. Assuming she wants any more to do with politics, which is a big assumption.

[DrVolin]

of course he was able to fire 33 rounds before reloading.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

I just finished reading the responses and I want to thank everyone. There's definitely much more stimulating food for thought regarding this tragedy than the kneejerk MSM pablum. A number of different items I learned here first that I would like to address:

“Tucson Citizen:
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"Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought."”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Oi ... 84003.html

I'd like to see some more research done on this. I see that there is a Safeway on 9705 North Thornydale Road in Tucson, but I'm not sure if this is the one where the shooting occurred. If it is, Thornydale and Magee is 2.14 miles south of that Safeway (via a mapquest search). Where the article says, "A third man is being sought", leads me to believe that this reference is to the taxi driver whose photo was publicized. I don't recall any reports on the taxi driver being apprehended at that location. So who's the man on Thornydale and Magee?

Above Top Secret threads on NASA

Way to scoop the Washington Post!These threads were really jaw-dropping to read, especially in conjunction with his youtube videos. I'm still wondering about whether this was really his own obsession or something suggested by a handler. Quite convenient obsessing over the employer of the husband of the politician he happened to be targeting. I'm almost surprised Catcher in the Rye wasn't on his list of favorite books. But then maybe post-Chapman/Hinckley, that would be TOO obvious.

Not sure about the David Wynn Miller connection. Frankly, when I first read Jared Lee Loughner's ramblings, what came to mind was another Lee, Lee L. Mercer Jr. Miller, especially after reading this recent interview, seems to complex for Loughner. His logical fallacies, complete with run-on sentences, seem more within the schizophrenic repetitive realm of Mercer than Miller, but maybe that's just my perception. There's quite a bit of the poseur with Loughner, both in intellectual pretensions and bad boy posturing; that "shrine" is about as occult as a Louvin Brothers album cover.

This is not too trivialize just how truly dangerous this individual is, just that the pieces of the puzzle that is Jared Lee Loughner don't seem to be adding up the way MSM is trying to make it add up. We still don't know who it was that called Judge John Roll and told him he could meet Congresswoman Giffords at the Safeway that Saturday. Until all loose ends are resolved, I'm not ruling out the possibility that Loughner's ramblings about mind control were the product of a handler trying to kill two birds with one stone. But I'm open to the possibility that his suggestibility towards killing might just be the "open season" culture that Sheriff Dupnik has been lamenting about where MSM and TP are culpable. Or neither. Or both!

[Canadian_watcher]

I'd like to know about that other suspect, too.

Something else though, that just blows my mind: Is there even ONE video interview of any of the witnesses? Since when has there been an event of this magnitude without at least a local news crew's on the scene footage - even if it's just of the ambulances and police work in the aftermath?

Maybe there is such footage, if there is, could someone direct me there? I've just had a look around and can't find anything.

also, a development, if you can call it that. This is worse than the 'shrine')
http://www.kvoa.com/news/more-warning-signs-on-day-of-shooting/

[justdrew]

so where did this unemployed (probably unemployable) person get $500+ for the gun, that extended clip probably cost over a hundred too. Where did he get that kind of money?

[DoYouEverWonder]

so where did this unemployed (probably unemployable) person get $500+ for the gun, that extended clip probably cost over a hundred too. Where did he get that kind of money?

And he even had enough change left over to take a cab to site.

[DrVolin]

so where did this unemployed (probably unemployable) person get $500+ for the gun, that extended clip probably cost over a hundred too. Where did he get that kind of money?

And he even had enough change left over to take a cab to site.

But apparently only a large bill.

[justdrew]

so where did this unemployed (probably unemployable) person get $500+ for the gun, that extended clip probably cost over a hundred too. Where did he get that kind of money?

And he even had enough change left over to take a cab to site.

I wonder if he was a good tipper or payed exact change.... or wait, I think I heard he stiffed the driver.

He must have had his cell phone on him to call the cab, so it should be possible to prove his dad's story about chasing him out into the desert earlier in the day.

Another thing we've heard nothing about is his mental health history and what if any drugs he was prescribed and/or taking.

I can ask that and still revile the Scilons

[pepsified thinker]

I just finished reading the responses and I want to thank everyone. There's definitely much more stimulating food for thought regarding this tragedy than the kneejerk MSM pablum. A number of different items I learned here first that I would like to address:

“Tucson Citizen:
==========­===
"Police arrest man near Thornydale and Magee Roads who is suspected of being connected to the shooting of Giffords and others. A third man is being sought."”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Oi ... 84003.html

I'd like to see some more research done on this. I see that there is a Safeway on 9705 North Thornydale Road in Tucson, but I'm not sure if this is the one where the shooting occurred. If it is, Thornydale and Magee is 2.14 miles south of that Safeway (via a mapquest search). Where the article says, "A third man is being sought", leads me to believe that this reference is to the taxi driver whose photo was publicized. I don't recall any reports on the taxi driver being apprehended at that location. So who's the man on Thornydale and Magee?

Thanks--I was wondering why it wasn't of interest. Maybe there's no way go further with it on line, but it seems like a rather glaring dead end. All the more so without anyone following up on it.

[Joe Hillshoist]

!These threads were really jaw-dropping to read, especially in conjunction with his youtube videos. I'm still wondering about whether this was really his own obsession or something suggested by a handler. Quite convenient obsessing over the employer of the husband of the politician he happened to be targeting. I'm almost surprised Catcher in the Rye wasn't on his list of favorite books. But then maybe post-Chapman/Hinckley, that would be TOO obvious.

I've heard that it was one of his favorite books, via people with no knowledge (AfAIK) of its reputation.

I don't think we can judge that alter any more than anything else about this case yet.

maybe he brought one of those stupid spirit skulls, stuck a few sigils of his own in it and left the oranges there (fresh) as food. And they shrivelled in 30 seconds. Do you that much about how magic works that you can rule that out?

ok on the face of it it looks like a farce or a misinterpretation and probably is. But on the face of it people were saying this guy was a died in the wool tea bagger.