Jimmy Savile: I'd like to comment but I can't...

[bks]

many thanks, semper. Saving some mental bandwidth for this tonight.

[semper occultus]

...you're very welcome....

from the Icke forum......postings by the following blogger

http://renegadesblog.wordpress.com/
https://twitter.com/realjimmyjones/favorites

who appears very close to the events in Wales - hopefully a genuine guy but possible unwitting channel for any disinfo..... this story & its ramifications is now like trying to follow half a dozen expert shell-game hustlers at once...

[slimmouse]

Hey Semper, Thanks enormously for your input.

This should not be allowed to sink into the bowels of consensus thinking - again- without a fight.

I believe that privileged, contemptual sexual abuse of children and much worse, is very real, for all the protestations of the likes of Lord McAlpine.

Apologies for any misdirected accusations M'lud. But you do understand that there are some real slimey fucks in this world who work this stuff to their advantage.



You 'might not have been aware of this of course', in the same way that you appear not to have been aware of the activities of your nephew, or several members of the Thatcher administration that you served under, as an inner member?

[wintler2]

http://67.227.255.239/forum/showthread.php?t=494964

Thanks, excellent summary - information, history really, as revolutionary force, hattip to DECK'ARD.

If "once is chance..three times is enemy action", the decades of offending and coverup listed help prove an evil and aggressive enemy empire.

[Project Willow]

UK RI folk, what's the skinny on this group? They mention NLP as mind control used on victims so they don't remember being abused.

[RocketMan]

This Cyril Smith thing seems to be mushrooming as well... Perhaps a new thread...? Mods?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/ ... ures-abuse

An admission by police and prosecutors that the late MP Sir Cyril Smith repeatedly physically and sexually abused children at a Rochdale care home and should have been put on trial has drawn a warning from a solicitor representing his victims that such failures could still occur today.

Smith, the Liberal and subsequently Liberal Democrat MP for the town, who died in 2010, was the subject of police investigations dating back to the 1960s.

In a statement, Greater Manchester police said there was "overwhelming evidence" that he attacked boys, six at the Cambridge House children's home in Rochdale, and two others.

In another statement, the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) said a decision not to prosecute made in 1970 by the then director of public prosecutions (DPP) would not have been made today. The CPS said attitudes and the law had changed, but added that one factor that allowed Smith to escape trial was an assessment by the DPP in 1970 that "the characters of some of these young men would be likely to render their evidence suspect".

Alan Collins, from the law firm Pannone, which represents men who say they were abused by Smith, said he was not convinced the attitude towards child abuse victims had changed.

"There was a tone of dismissiveness [towards Smith's accusers] and my concern is that that underlying tone of dismissiveness towards the claimants is still with us, 40 years on," he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme. "It appears there is still this underlying attitude when it comes to child abuse allegations that children are still not believed."

Barry Fitton, one of Smith's victims, told PoliticsHome: "He's got to be stripped of his knighthood and his MBE. And I want an apology from all those who said I was lying." Another victim, Alan Neal, a councillor for the Community First party in Rossendale, said: "For 48 years, people have chosen to say we were telling lies when we were telling the truth. Sadly some of them are no longer alive. It's still extremely raw and I'm a little bit bitter."

Smith was secretary of the Rochdale Hostel for Boys Association, where he was accused of abusing vulnerable youngsters by spanking and touching them.

The first investigation into Smith found eight youths who alleged that Smith attacked them when they were teenagers, between 1961 and 1966. The descriptions of the attacks were similar and according to the CPS "were allegedly conducted on the pretexts of either a medical examination or punishment for misbehaviour".

Greater Manchester police said: "The force is now publicly acknowledging that young boys were victims of physical and sexual abuse committed by Smith."

Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood said: "If the same evidence was presented to the CPS today, there would have been a very realistic prospect that Smith would have been charged with a number of indecent assaults, and that the case would have been brought to trial.

"Clearly that is a bold statement to make but it is absolutely important for those victims who were abused by Smith that we publicly acknowledge the suffering they endured. Although Smith cannot be charged or convicted posthumously, from the overwhelming evidence we have it is right and proper that we should publicly recognise that young boys were sexually and physically abused."

In 1998 and 1999, Greater Manchester police passed two separate files to the CPS about Smith's activities at Cambridge House, but on both occasions no further action was recommended.

Simon Danczuk, the Labour MP for Rochdale, who first raised allegations against Smith on the floor of the House of Commons, said the CPS had serious questions to answer over its failure to act in the past.

A Liberal Democrat spokesman said: "These allegations are abhorrent and should be taken very seriously.

"Clearly the party does not endorse any person proved to have been in incidents such as these. All allegations should have been investigated thoroughly with the authorities taking whatever action necessary.

"Any new allegations should be made to the police. The Liberal Democrats are not aware of any allegations being made to the party, and have never been involved in any investigations.

"The alleged incidents and the reported police investigations took place outside of the time Cyril Smith was a Liberal MP."

[semper occultus]

UK RI folk, what's the skinny on this group? They mention NLP as mind control used on victims so they don't remember being abused.

don't know that much about them - or rather him - Brian Gerrish - tbh, a harsh critic might say David Icke without the lizards - tend to appeal more to a right-of-centre / UKIP type constituency I'd have thought - there's some evidence people at the Daily Mail are picking-over their stuff for ideas - a couple of issues they've banged-on about, secret family courts & the charity/network "Common Purpose" have both started to figure in the DM :

A coup by the Left's old boy network: The Leveson Inquiry has momentous implications for free speech. But this Mail dossier raises disturbing questions about the influence of a quasi-masonic nexus of the 'people who know best'

[blankly]

PW "NLP as mind control used on victims so they don't remember being abused."

I am also interested in this aspect. I have been hearing something, but just very light on info, about NLP being used in this way. Anyone?

[Wombaticus Rex]

Neuro-Linguistic Programming has a strange culture and some gnarled roots, but what's always been most remarkable to me is the practitioners themselves. Most of my friends and acquaintances who have engaged in NLP training, many to the point of professional certification and practice, are pretty much exactly as confused and depressed as I am, so I've never been that tempted to dive in. (Or at least, "dive in" beyond my abiding and intense interest in pretty much everything on Earth.)

That's a tangent, though: what I mean about the practitioners being remarkable is their reflexive rejection of the notion they are learning something dangerous -- both to others and to themselves. There's no dark side, they assert rhythmically, because NLP is a caring community that polices their own....you know, just like S&M set....or Wall Street.

There's something remarkably schizoid to this, and I'm sure many of you have noted it in relation to operators like Jolly West -- on one hand, insisting their skillset is somewhere between utterly harmless and inherently good, yet simultaneously asserting their skillset is designed to totally alter the human mind with an unprecedented degree of power and control.

Boy howdy, that must take some chewing to get down, but there's over a billion Catholics, too. We're all pretty stupid here.

Bottom line, though: NLP either has immense potential for abuse or their ad copy is steaming turd. I know for a fact it's both, but respect anyone's right to believe otherwise.

[undead]

That's a tangent, though: what I mean about the practitioners being remarkable is their reflexive rejection of the notion they are learning something dangerous -- both to others and to themselves. There's no dark side, they assert rhythmically, because NLP is a caring community that polices their own....you know, just like S&M set....or Wall Street.

I don't even know what NLP is, really, besides the literal meaning of the words, but that is obviously not what you are talking about here. Still, I can't imagine how having your brain programming be policed by a community of people (I don't care who they are) could be a good thing. I'll stick with the yoga and meditation with pot and mushrooms, thanks.

[Project Willow]

There's no dark side, they assert rhythmically, because NLP is a caring community that polices their own....you know, just like S&M set....or Wall Street.

or hypnotists. Yah, no kidding.

At least some portion of the SM crowd has discovered MC and they use it, all the while playing innocent around their less aware peers.
I'm embarrassed to confess I haven't studied NLP in depth, only the observational bits.

[blankly]

"I'm embarrassed to confess I haven't studied NLP in depth, only the observational bits." ProjectWillow

Me neither, hence my question. It was thrown at me a few months ago by someone who feels it was used against them. I half read a couple of books and a few articles, and thought that it was heavy on bulls**t, claimed credentials without evidence etc and how could this work? In fact, I began to strongly suspect that it was being used in conjunction with other mind altering 'techniques' - surreptitious drugging, in that case.

[hava007]

2 cents about NLP in Israel , its considered "respectable" by the Psychologists community, and the last I heard of it was heavily pimped by the psychologists who are associated with treatment of war related PTSD and so it might indicate it has passed the gates of the military psych community, which means its been used for therapy and abuse as well, by same professionals (their job is imbued with conflict of interest, mostly to put out fires, and not so much to treat , when it comes to victims of defense,military related psych injuries).

[82_28]

There's no dark side, they assert rhythmically, because NLP is a caring community that polices their own....you know, just like S&M set....or Wall Street.

or hypnotists. Yah, no kidding.

At least some portion of the SM crowd has discovered MC and they use it, all the while playing innocent around their less aware peers.
I'm embarrassed to confess I haven't studied NLP in depth, only the observational bits.

My fucking therapist a few years ago convinced me to do some hypnosis, and I didn't get back to normal for a week. Normal, of course being anxious and depressed for all the things I see and feel around me. But seriously, first and last time I will ever be hypnotized.

[blankly]

Thanks for that info hava. I have no understanding of how it might work (the nuts and bolts of 'persuasion'). The smattering of understanding I picked up seemed to suggest that a hypnotic state could be created rapidly by, for want of a better description, mangling grammar, so as to provide a distraction. This begged so many questions about language and subjectivity - leaving out the huge ethical questions posed by choosing to manipulate another by underhand means that is.