SANDERS 2020 is seriously dangerous <3

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Postby Grizzly » Wed Jan 29, 2020 8:56 pm

^^^ yep.. Same here. Sad but true, Lucy& the football /groundhog day...
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Re: SANDERS 2020 is seriously dangerous <3

Postby Grizzly » Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:36 am

maybe this? can we stop it?! From MOA
https://theintercept.com/2020/01/28/trump-netanyahu-dictate-terms-palestinian-surrender-israel-call-peace//
AIPAC is running a pressure campaign on Facebook targetting Sanders and a pro-Israel super-Pac disguised with a generic Democratic name (so no one ties it to Zionism, of course) will run a dirty attack ad against Sanders just days before the Iowa caucuses.
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Also, the DNC is preparing to go to war against Sanders appointing Clinton militants, supporters and centrist anti-progressive apparatchiks to the 2020 Convention Committee.

https://www.salon.com/2020/01/27/are-tom-perez-and-the-dnc-preparing-for-a-battle-against-bernie-sanders-and-the-left_partner//

tired, MIGHT NOT HAVE FORMATTED RIGHT, IT'S HERE
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/01/open-thread-2020-08.html?cid=https://www.salon.com/2020/01/27/are-tom-perez-and-the-dnc-preparing-for-a-battle-against-bernie-sanders-and-the-left_partner//6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a4e15efb200d#comment-6a00d8341c640e53ef0240a4e15efb200d


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Re: SANDERS 2020 is seriously dangerous <3

Postby Elvis » Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:28 am

liminalOyster wrote:Fuck yes, new poll has Bernie 2 pts behind Sanders in Texas. Unbelievable. Viva.


You mean behind Biden? If it's too late to edit, I can fix on request.

I do like the idea of a Bernie Sanders vs. Bernie Sanders race. :)


Now about the Lucy and Charlie Brown thing...

I think that while certain Neera Tanden "never Sanders" types are desperate to prevent his nomination, some *higher powers* are seeing the inevitabilty of what Sanders espouses: much higher fiscal outlays for directly addressing social needs (if only to stave off open rebellion) because monetary policy—nudging interest rates to supposedly raise employment rates—is a fraud and failure, and especially a monumental federal program to deal with climate change, which they take very seriously because they're not stupid.

I say this because I see signs of it all over—from the financial press, from financial industry reports, from academia and from central bankers.

Also, people are starting to demand the necessities of a decent life, a life with some breathing room, and they're starting to demand their share of wealth.

A few thoughtful 'elites' are actually in favor of a decent society and see the path to get there—e.g. hedge fund billionaire Ray Dalio—they may write articles about it but they aren't going to make a revolution.

If we see injustice we can't just sit around and complain about how inequitable things are. If the people want non-profit national healthcare like other modern nations, they have to demand it. If people want free college like other modern nations, they have to demand it. If people want an end to mass involuntary unemployment—like Cuba—they have to demand it. If the people want a clean planet to live on, they have to demand it.

A vote for Sanders is a loud demand for those things. Thinking elites not only know that (most of) those things are inevitable, they also remember the French Revolution. They need to get out in front of this, and a Sanders presidency would be the most efficient vehicle for accomplishing the needed changes, especially in redesigning, retooling and rebuilding for cleaner energy. So I don't think they really care that much if Bernie gets in.

That's where my optimism springs.

I'm ready to be wrong. If a Biden wins, I can stop following the news, nothing will change. If Trump wins, I may stop paying attention just to keep some sanity. Studying the history of fascism is fascinating; watching it happen in your own country for realz is just depressing.

We can all throw up our hands in despair then. For now I'm keeping my fingers crossed and a smile on my face. :mrgreen:
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Postby RocketMan » Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:53 am

stickdog99 » Thu Jan 30, 2020 11:48 am wrote:https://www.kqed.org/news/11798764/bernie-sanders-pulls-away-from-pack-in-california


Maybe include the text as well..? :partydance:

Just days before the first votes of the 2020 Democratic presidential primary are cast in the Iowa caucuses, a new Change Research poll for KQED shows Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders opening up a large lead over his rivals here in California.

Sanders is favored by 30% of voters likely to cast ballots in the state's Democratic primary on March 3, according to the survey. Distantly trailing him in second and third place in the state are Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren (16%) and former Vice President Joe Biden (15%).


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Postby Grizzly » Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:22 am

https://www.metafilter.com/185372/My-Vote-Dont-Count

My Vote Don't Count, by YelloPain (SLYT), a 3:48 lesson in civics aimed directly at people who (like YelloPain) have given up on voting. Co-produced by Desiree Tims, who is running for Congress in Dayton.

Sorry, maybe should have posted this in the Dem thread... I'm just been so tired lately from just trying to keep my head above water, and keep up, it's almost overwhelming sometimes..
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Postby Grizzly » Fri Jan 31, 2020 8:44 pm

NEW POWERFUL Bernie Sanders AD (@KillerMike
Speech) - THE TIME IS NOW!
https://twitter.com/GNproductions01/status/1223228891491459072?s=19

Fuck the DNC and Bloomy...
DNC overhauls debate requirements, opening door for Bloomberg
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-shifts-debate-requirements-opening-door-for-bloomberg-110017
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Postby RocketMan » Sat Feb 01, 2020 5:47 am

The DNC is really going full-on corporatist front. I was shocked to learn recently that it's actually a private entity.

The US has indeed been a corporatocracy for a looooong time. People in Europe generally have no idea. Even I, the jaded conspiracy theorist Marxist anarchosyndicalist, have underestimated the gravity of the situation.

Anyway, not it's just out there in the open, no attempt to even institute a desultory cover-up. Amazing.

There should be a widespread demonstration based on these two pieces of news alone:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/3 ... tes-110083

DNC members discuss rules change to stop Sanders at convention

A small group of Democratic National Committee members has privately begun gauging support for a plan to potentially weaken Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign and head off a brokered convention.

In conversations on the sidelines of a DNC executive committee meeting and in telephone calls and texts in recent days, about a half-dozen members have discussed the possibility of a policy reversal to ensure that so-called superdelegates can vote on the first ballot at the party’s national convention. Such a move would increase the influence of DNC members, members of Congress and other top party officials, who now must wait until the second ballot to have their say if the convention is contested.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/z3bm ... d-the-race

Mike Bloomberg Gave the DNC $300K Two Days Before He Entered the 2020 Race

Bloomberg’s Democratic competitors, already criticizing him for buying his way into the election, blasted the DNC for changing the rules in a way that appears to favor one candidate: Bloomberg.

“To now change the rules in the middle of the game to accommodate Mike Bloomberg, who is trying to buy his way into the Democratic nomination, is wrong,” Bernie Sanders senior advisor Jeff Weaver said in a statement released by the campaign. “That’s the definition of a rigged system.”


Bloomberg made three separate donations of $106,500 to the Democratic National Committee on Nov.19, 2019, according to Federal Election Commission records. Individuals are allowed to donate up to $106,500 to each national party account in the 2019-2020 election cycle, according to FEC contribution limit guidelines.

Both the DNC and the Republican National Committee have three “accounts”: One for the presidential convention, another for election recounts and other legal proceedings, and another for the party headquarters building, meaning that individuals can contribute up to $319,500 to the national party committees per cycle. It appears this is what Bloomberg did.

In addition to the donations made directly to the DNC, Bloomberg also made an $800,000 donation that same day to the Democratic Grassroots Victory Fund, a joint fundraising PAC between the DNC and state Democratic parties around the country which was established in 2017. Bloomberg also donated hundreds of thousands to state parties around the country in November, according to FEC records.
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Postby Elvis » Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:38 am

Parody? :whistling:

https://beetpress.com/2020/02/02/mondale-eyeing-2020-run-to-stop-sanders/

Mondale eyeing 2020 run to stop Sanders
By personcalledryan on February 2, 2020

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MINNEAPOLIS, MN – Former vice president and 1984 democratic presidential candidate Walter Mondale is reportedly considering a bid for president in the 2020 election in an effort to stop Bernie Sanders from becoming the democratic party nominee.

According to sources, Mondale was overheard by reporters as he spoke on the phone saying “call me fucking delusional, but I’m worried that Bernie’s going to pull this off. What would it take, I mean, from a fundraising and logistics standpoint, for me to enter?”

The 92 year old former vice president was badly defeated in the 1984 election, winning only 13 electoral votes to incumbent republican president Ronald Reagan’s 525 electoral votes.

The 2020 democratic primary has seen the entry of a record-setting 29 candidates, and as of February 2nd, all but eleven have dropped out. Democratic party insiders feel that none of the remaining candidates have enough support to decisively beat Vermont senator Bernie Sanders, who’s leading in many early primary polls.

“We’re really getting down to the wire if we want to preserve the democratic party,” said Center for American Progress president Neera Tanden, adding “we can’t allow voters to hijack the party by nominating someone like Bernie Sanders. We’re ready to pull out all the stops to circumvent the will of the people.”

Democratic National Committee chairman Tom Perez has recently raised the prospect of changing the nominating convention rules to allow only Superdelegates to participate in first round voting, introducing pledged delegates only in the event of a tie. “We lead with our values,” explained Perez, who continued “and Walter Mondale might just be the best candidate to unify the party and bring Americans together.”

As of press time, BeetPress has confirmed that Walter Mondale, Mike Dukakis, John Kerry, and Al Gore have all announced presidential bids.
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Postby norton ash » Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:09 pm

DES MOINES — The Des Moines Register spiked its poll Saturday night, but by the next day it seemed most reporters here had seen the numbers — or something purporting to be the numbers.

Here’s what happened: As the Des Moines Register readied a cover story and CNN prepped for an hourlong special about the time-honored poll, Pete Buttigieg’s campaign complained that his name hadn’t been offered to some poll recipients. The pollster, Ann Selzer, quickly discovered the glitch in a Florida call center that triggered the error. It seemed likely to be just a minor error — but everyone involved cares about their reputation for trustworthiness, and they quickly decided to pull the poll rather than publish with doubts.


https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/be ... ter-selzer

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Postby Grizzly » Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:24 am

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