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....a battle against men who will not or can not see or refuse to admit we are talking about an assault ...a crime...not just some bad language that us girls are so offended byignoring that is what has turned this into battle against men
Luther Blissett » Sat Oct 08, 2016 4:47 pm wrote:Because I'm saying that if he went away forever I would be happy about it. And while I am a pacifist myself, I understand that violent resistance is sometimes just, like it was in the cases of Sitting Bull and Geronimo. Maybe now is the time for violent resistance against rape culture?
I named Inés Ixierda right in that post, anyway. And I mentioned bell hooks ad Michelle Alexander in a conversation with you last week. I also told you I just did the March to End Rape Culture last month. Not sure where this is coming from.
Did you purposefully ignore or just miss my response to you above where I said I was in fights as a young man against people who talked exactly the way Trump did in the audio when I was younger?
The Republican National Committee on Saturday appeared to at least temporarily halt the operations of some of the “Victory” program that is devoted to electing Donald Trump.
The move comes as the GOP nominee is under mounting pressure from elected Republicans to step aside after he was caught on tape bragging about sexually assaulting women.
In an email from the RNC to a victory program mail vendor, with the subject line “Hold on all projects,” the committee asked the vendor to “put a hold” on mail production.
“Please put a hold/stop on all mail projects right now. If something is in production or print it needs to stop. Will update you when to proceed,” Lauren Toomey, a staffer in the RNC’s political department, wrote in an email that was obtained by POLITICO.
The email was sent to at least one RNC victory program vendor. Rick Wiley, a top RNC official, was cc’d on the email.
Neither Toomey nor Wiley responded to requests for comment. An RNC spokesperson also didn’t respond to a request for comment.
Trump video fallout drama owning the airwaves
By Joe Concha
At the Masters, they call Saturdays "Moving Day."
And that's where we are on the presidential political front today. Donald Trump finds himself in a repulsive rhetorical situation, thanks to a leaked tape during a taping with Billy Bush, then of Access Hollywood (NBC Universal). Even he won't be able to escape or brush it off simply as political correctness run amok. And he’s faced with two choices:
Moving on out of the race, as some Republicans are calling for, for his "grab them by the (women's genitalia)" comment that makes Mitt Romney's caught-on-tape "47 percent" comment leaked merely sound like a sneeze.
Defend the indefensible Sunday night at the second presidential debate in St. Louis in front of 80-90 million people watching at home.
Throughout Friday night, calls for Trump to step down came in fast and furious on cable news and social media.
Rep. Mike Lee (R- Utah) even did so on Facebook Live, a first for any politician making that kind of demand. By doing so, Lee got his message out without taking questions.
GOP Rep. Jason Chaffetz, also of Utah and never one to be shy with the press, actually announced his withdrawal of support for Trump on a local Salt Lake City affiliate (Fox-13) before calling into CNN to do so nationally in an interview with Don Lemon.
Will a major player like Speaker Paul Ryan (who said he was "sickened" by the video) or Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell follow Lee in asking Trump to drop out? How about RNC chair Reince Priebus?
If so, count on those declarations to not be done the old-fashioned way of a press conference, but rather via another taped video or more likely, a simple tweet. It's that easy (and pain-free) when it comes to messaging in 2016.
On Friday's "CNN Tonight" with the aforementioned Don Lemon, Republican Ana Navarro, a Jeb Bush supporter, said Trump was not only unfit to be president, but even "unfit to be a man." Navarro also repeatedly used the “p-word” on the air in quoting Trump during a heated panel segment, another first in cable news history from a what's-allowed-to-be-said perspective.
On Fox News and "The O'Reilly Factor", Geraldo Rivera called the comments "obscene" and pronounced Trump's campaign "on life support."
On MSNBC, Rachel Maddow pushed her own company in NBC to release tapes of Trump allegedly disparaging women on "The Apprentice."
In a related story, it can be argued that a Bush (OK, NBC's Billy Bush, who is likely updating his LinkedIn page as you read this for his cheerleader role in the Trump conversation) finally took down a Trump.
As for not facing the press, the same strategy was carried out by Trump himself, who taped a defiant apology at Trump Tower that took responsibility for the remarks before pivoting to a comparison to Bill Clinton's alleged actions regarding his mistreatment of women years ago.
Of course, Trump's words were obviously written for him and therefore devoid of his usual authenticity in the process, because it's fairly easy to tell the difference between spontaneous Trump and TelePrompTer Trump.
Still, by taping the video, Trump didn't need to take questions. He will have to at some point, however, likely starting Sunday night from an audience and two moderators (ABC's Martha Raddatz and CNN's Anderson Cooper) in St. Louis.
In yet another related story, it's been well over 100 days since Trump held a press conference, a criticism once reserved for Hillary Clinton.
In assessing this situation, one has to wonder this: Just how long was the Trump "grab them by the ‘p’" tape in the hands of someone looking to destroy Trump? It is 11 years old, after all. Only someone at NBC/Access Hollywood would have access to it.
Considering the timing, it's hard to believe that someone had a sudden epiphany that the audio existed just days before a crucial debate and 32 days until the election when it published by the Washington Post. Just like it's also hard to believe Donald Trump's 1995 tax documents were suddenly found in a New York Times reporter's mailbox just days before the Vice Presidential debate last week.
October surprises may be surprising to the public, but rarely is damaging information that happens to be discovered in the same month. Discovery of opposition material and release of information through the media are two very different things.
Today will be arguably the most compelling Saturday politically in the history of political Saturdays — on cable news and social media. What would normally be a quiet day of travel for many media members heading to St. Louis for the debate will instead be filled with reporting, commentary and analysis all day and evening.
If Friday night is any indication, the pressure on Trump to drop out will undoubtedly be raised to an 11 (on a scale of 1 to 10).
Those hired this year by CNN to defend Trump in an effort to create balance (Corey Lewandowski, Kayleigh McEnany, Jeffrey Lord, Scottie Nell Hughes) should all ask for a raise before going in today. Because attempting to defend or even deflect Trump's grabbing comments will be the toughest job in the world.
Moving day, Saturday, is here.
It may prove to be the most riveting, drama-filled day in the history of 21st Century media.
Popcorn is popped. And those covering this story just got another weekend completely devoid of sleep.
http://origin-nyi.thehill.com/blogs/pun ... e-airwaves
Here Are All The Republicans Dropping Their Support For Donald Trump
The list is expanding to sitting senators, members of Congress and governors.
10/07/2016 11:03 pm ET | Updated 1 hour ago
Jennifer Bendery
White House and Congressional Reporter, The Huffington Post
Igor Bobic
Associate Politics Editor, The Huffington Post
ASSOCIATED PRESS
So it wasn’t a Muslim ban, slut shaming, calling Mexicans rapists or insulting a Gold Star family. It took Donald Trump talking about grabbing women by the p**** for GOP lawmakers to pull their support for him.
WASHINGTON ― Republican lawmakers are pulling their endorsements for GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump after the Washington Post released a bombshell video Friday in which Trump makes lewd comments about women.
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (Utah) was the first GOP member of Congress to peel off Friday night, declaring on a local TV station, “I’m out.” He said he didn’t know who he was going to vote for now, but it wouldn’t be Trump or Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton. That was right after his home state governor, Gary Herbert (R), said he, too, was dropping his support for Trump after seeing the tape of him claiming he tried to have sex with a married woman and boasting of groping women because of his celebrity.
The floodgates were open by Saturday morning. Here’s a running list of the GOP members of Congress, senators and governors rescinding their endorsements for Trump or calling on him to step down, one month before the election, after seeing the video.
Rep. Jason Chaffetz (Utah)
Rep. Martha Roby (Ala.)
Rep. Chris Stewart (Utah)
Rep. Bradley Byrne (Ala.)
Rep. Joe Heck (Nev.)
Rep. Cresent Hardy (Nev.)
Rep. Scott Garrett (N.J.)
Rep. Ann Wagner (Mo.)
Rep. Rodney Davis (Ill.)
Sen. Kelly Ayotte (N.H.)
Sen. Mike Crapo (Idaho)
Sen. John Thune (S.D.)
Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (W.Va.)
Sen. Deb Fischer (Neb.)
Sen. Dan Sullivan (Alaska)
Sen. Cory Gardner (Colo.)
Sen. John McCain (Ariz.)
Gov. Gary Herbert (Utah)
Gov. Dennis Dauggard (S.D.)
Gov. Robert Bentley (Ala.)
There’s also some GOP lawmakers who didn’t support Trump before but are now taking it a step further and saying he needs to drop out. They include Sens. Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), Mike Lee (Utah), Ben Sasse (Neb.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska) and Reps. Mike Coffman (Colo.), Barbara Comstock (Va.), Fred Upton (Mich.) and Charlie Dent (Pa.).
CORRECTION: A previous version of this article incorrectly identified Rodney Davis as a congressman from Missouri. He is from Illinois.
Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims — 1.6 billion members of an entire religion — from entering the U.S.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gar ... ead%20More
To Think After All This, It May Be a Member of the Bush Family Who Undoes Trump’s Candidacy
After all, it has largely been the Trump v. Bush dynamic that has launched him into the position of political power he now finds himself. During the Republican primary process, the real estate mogul absolutely eviscerated former Florida Governor Jeb, making a public spectacle of beating up on Bush as if he were a punching bag in dire need of a 5 Hour Energy
........
Enter Billy boy.
Billy Bush is the son of Josephine Bradley and Jonathan Bush, a banker in Connecticut, one of the leaders in the second generation of the family tree. Jonathan Bush, born in 1932, is the brother of William H.T. Bush (a banker), Nancy Walker Bush, Prescott Bush Jr. (an insurance executive with a failed Senate run to his name) and George Herbert Walker Bush himself.
If you’re following along, this makes Billy Bush the first cousin of President George W. Bush and Jeb Bush, the first cousin once removed of Jenna Bush, and the nephew of no-new-taxes himself.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/to-think ... candidacy/
Agent Orange Cooper » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:15 pm wrote:god, the Bushes are such heroes. true patriots. thank goodness we still have them around to undo that mean old nasty evil mean man meanie's scary mean campaign!!!
Btw, why is it that blatant racism, war crimes, homophobia, ect doesnt offend Christian Conservatives...but the word pussy does?
8bitagent » Sun Oct 09, 2016 1:00 am wrote:Agent Orange Cooper » Sat Oct 08, 2016 9:15 pm wrote:god, the Bushes are such heroes. true patriots. thank goodness we still have them around to undo that mean old nasty evil mean man meanie's scary mean campaign!!!
Seeing people replying to the Bushes, Condi Rice and other neocons feign anger over Trumps 2005 tape leak by saying "as if mass murder in Iraq based on lies is not vulgar"? Makes my night
Did anyone truly have any doubt even in the 1980's that Donald Trump's entire schtick was being a gross womanizer? No wonder Bill Clinton found a natural bromance buddy with him.
Now that the RNC has cut off funding, mailers and other support to Trump; ya can expect Trump and his few remaining advisors(including Alex Jones Infowars daily guest Roger Stone) to go
thermo nuclear. If youre like me and hate both sides of Wall Street War Incorporated (ie Repubs and Dems), and the two party system...tonights "debate" should be a doozy. Id
be disappointed if the next 30 days wasnt a total race to the bottom politically apocalyptic war.
Btw, why is it that blatant racism, war crimes, homophobia, ect doesnt offend Christian Conservatives...but the word pussy does? It's a rhetorical question.
Trump and his fellow rapist pig pal, showing off his grope
Trumped down posted by Richard SeymourIf we assume that the Trump tape release was orchestrated by the Clinton campaign, as seems likely, then it is the first really skilful move they have made throughout the entire campaign - and with leading Republicans backing away from him, the RNC withdrawing funds, and the GOP leadership looking for ways to legally replace him as the candidate, it may be fatal.
The IMF, which calls Trump 'Voldemort' on account of the threat he seemingly poses to their idea of global economic order, will breathe a sigh of relief if the RNC are successful. Wall Street, which must already be looking with horror at Brexit and May's decidedly Trumpian turn, will too. So will, of course, any of the major constituencies whom he would cheerfully have victimised - women, immigrants, Muslims, African Americans, leftists, protesters, etc.
It is as though Bret Easton Ellis had decided to rewrite the mafia boss genre as a tale of ruling class soul-dead depravity. I can thoroughly well imagine Bill Clinton talking exactly like this, and suspect that this kind of braggodocious (dixit Trump) side of rape culture is common at the top of US politics. Certainly, Bush jr seems to have been entirely at home in the conversation.
But at some point, we should inquire into the other modalities of rape culture. It is obvious that the stuff about Trump being 'newly married' is a species of it. Would sexual assault be okay if his marriage was getting on a little, and he was bored? What about the 'wives and daughters' stuff? Isn't this clearly implicated in the dichotomy between good and bad women that sustains rape culture - as if, those who aren't anyone's wives and daughters, who are socially dislocated, are fit to treat as 'whores'.
More broadly, we might want to inquire into the libidinal underside of the reactions. I'm not interested in moralising about this, but it seems obvious that in the cool light of retrospect, analysis of the lulzy coverage will disclose a rich seam of excitement and fascination, barely disguised in all the jokes. The hubbub of "omg, can't believe he said that" is invested in glee at the transgressive nature of such "lewd" discussion of sexual assault, much like the fascination with his openly Oedipalised sexual objectification and denigration of his daughter. Isn't there an obvious enjoyment even in repeating his words in the fashion of this headline? We certainly get a kick out of imitating his highly imitable swagger and speech patterns. We enjoy Trump (although it goes without saying that we don't all enjoy Trump in the same way, if for no other reason than that patriarchy, 'whiteness', class resentments, geographical and social stagnation, and so on, do not affect everyone in the same way).
I am not at all claiming that people should stop making these jokes, and any attempt to make that happen by fiat would be doomed anyway. One of the functions of jokes is to give a certain regulated access to transgressive enjoyment, wherein we can advance an idea without 'meaning' it. So it is always a question of context, of how the joke works, at whose expense. I am just saying that we should analyse it, if we want to understand where the appeal of Trumpism comes from. Even if his campaign now collapses, as it seems to be doing, the psychopolitical sources of Trumpism won't dissipate on that account.
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