Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[dada]

What is the intelligence and genes book? I'm guessing it's an argument for genes produce intelligence? I'd argue the exact opposite.

The old virus story reminded me about the virus-themed part of Illuminatus. Something about Markoff Cheney, the midget.

[Belligerent Savant]

That was pretty impressive.

I think such a revelation would have the effect of unraveling or dis-enchanting a great many other beliefs that have come to prevail in the last year and four months.

Also, it made me recall something I wrote (and published, too) fucking 19 years ago. So if you don't mind my turning this serious thread into entertainment for at least one post, here goes... [added some bracketed annotations].

I admit I laughed.

Wade unfortunately has just the right amount of baggage (Charles Murray redux book on intelligence and genes) to make him an easy target to smear. But I find it fucking amazing that some of the revelations herein are so little known and that so many useful idiots thought they were taking Trump to task by abandoning their critical, scientific, professional minds. Most notably:

It later turned out that the Lancet letter had been organized and drafted by Peter Daszak, president of the EcoHealth Alliance of New York. Dr. Daszak’s organization funded coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. If the SARS2 virus had indeed escaped from research he funded, Dr. Daszak would be potentially culpable. This acute conflict of interest was not declared to the Lancet’s readers. To the contrary, the letter concluded, “We declare no competing interests.”

ps. Though deserved hat tip to BS for calling out Daszak over a year ago here.

Wade unfortunately has just the right amount of baggage (Charles Murray redux book on intelligence and genes) to make him an easy target to smear.

Oh right. Remember that. Fucked up.

It's almost always the easy targets who do the risky stories, though. They've already lost their status, so there's a freedom in it.

In some cases it's more like they're providing inoculation against a real story being taken seriously, isn't it? Not with this story, I don't think. But we can name certain tireless parties whose job seems to be to always be first on the scene of a breaking phenomenon to get the details wrong, hype false or dumb angles, spin it for a party-line rendering, use it for their own schtick, divert blame and attention to their favorite target, trash any chance a story will be taken seriously once it's associated with the likes of them, etc. (Used to be Alex Jones...)

But I find it fucking amazing that some of the revelations herein are so little known and that so many useful idiots thought they were taking Trump to task by abandoning their critical, scientific, professional minds.

Years of corporate media activity in a nutshell -- #Russiagate, panic over the threat of a peace deal in Korea, talk of covfefe and being "orange" rather than moves toward actual fascism, the Ukrainian impeachment strategy, slam him not for being even more neoliberal than the last couple but for being 'populist', etc. In truth most of this was enabling Trump. Whatever they thought they were doing, corporate media were serving as adjuncts to a reelection that would have been assured if not for Covid and the 2020 depression.

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Appreciate the tip of the cap by Liminal above, though credit to Project Willow and WRex in the first instance as the initial source, at least within RI, for that piece, reproduced in part below:

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Have you read the link that Willow posted here? The problem isn't that some of the data points are probably wrong -- ie, the HIV links, or the zoonotic jump timeline -- it's that even if only half of it is true, it's still a remarkably cohesive case, and all documented in the public domain, to boot.

Quite right. Worth reproducing at least part of the piece here (numerous embedded hyperlinks at source):

(this would also explain the ad hoc, reactionary, and at times, bewildered responses from most of our elected -- the word needs to be placed in quotes for some cases -- leaders since this strain began its spread in earnest. A fully scripted Op wouldn't be as... sloppy. They can, and have, improvise[d], however)

Logistical and Technical Exploration into the Origins of the Wuhan Strain of Coronavirus (COVID-19)

Posted on January 31, 2020 by harvard2thebighouse

An accessible and comprehensive YouTube summary of the report below by a Professor of Neurobiology at the University of Pittsburgh’s Medical School is available here. And you can read our takedown of Nature magazine’s recent article claiming COVID-19 definitely wasn’t from a lab here.


This report is the product of a collaboration between a retired professional scientist with dozens of peer-reviewed publications and 30 years of experience in genomic sequencing and analysis, who worked at the Theoretical Biology Division of the Los Alamos National Laboratory and later helped design several ubiquitous bioinformatic software tools, as well as a former NSA counterterrorism analyst. It considers whether the Wuhan Strain of coronavirus (COVID-19) is the result of naturally emergent mutations against the possibility that it may be a bio-engineered strain – directly altered by genetic manipulation, subject to artificially-guided evolutionary selection, or both – most likely released into the public by accident since China’s rate of occupational accidents is about ten-times higher than America’s, and some twenty-times more than Europe’s, the only other regions with high-level virology labs.

Raising the odds of an accidental release, researchers from China’s only BSL-4 lab in Wuhan were reported to have particularly sloppy field research methods, being both bled and peed on by local bats that host coronaviruses remarkably similar to the Wuhan Strain COVID-19. And they’ve also been reported to smuggle used research animals out of their labs, selling them for cash on the street. Perhaps unsurprisingly, in mid February the Chinese Ministry of Science sent out a directive to all its labs emphasizing the important of carefully handling bio-infectious agents and alluding to slack oversight and past lapses, even mentioning coronaviruses specifically.

Mistakes may have been precipitated by the need to quickly finish research that was being rushed for Johns Hopkins’ Event 201 which was held this past October and meant to gameplan the containment of a global pandemic. Research may also have been hurried due to deadlines before the impending Chinese New Year – the timing of these events point to increased human error, not a globalist conspiracy. Beijing has had four known accidental leaks of the SARS virus in recent years, so there is absolutely no reason to assume that this strain of coronavirus from Wuhan didn’t accidentally leak out as well. This is unlikely to be a plot twist in one of the novels Tom Clancy wrote after he started mailing it in.

Simply and horribly, this is likely to become another Chernobyl or Fukushima – a catastrophic illustration of mankind’s hubris and intransigence clashing with Nature, as fate again reaps a once unimaginably tragic toll.

Given that this outbreak was said to begin in early winter when most bat species in the region are hibernating and the Chinese horseshoe bat’s habitat covers an enormous swath of the region containing scores of cities and hundreds of millions people, the fact that this Wuhan Strain of coronavirus, denoted as COVID-19, emerged in close proximity to the only BSL-4 virology lab in China, which in turn was staffed with at least two Chinese scientists – Zhengli Shi and Xing-Yi Ge – both virologists who had previously worked at an American lab which had already bio-engineered an incredibly virulent strain of bat coronavirus – the accidental release of a bio-engineered virus from Wuhan’s virology lab cannot be automatically discounted, especially when the Wuhan Strain’s unnatural genomic signals are considered.

UPDATE 2/14, 3:02am EST: A probable smoking pre-print has been released, by the National Natural Science Foundation of China:

“In summary, somebody was entangled with the evolution of 2019-nCoV coronavirus. In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan.”

In a predictable turn, that article has been removed and both researchers have since deleted their profiles off of the ResearchGate site completely. Furthering the appearance of a cover-up, back on January 2nd, the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s director sent out a memo forbidding discussion of an “unknown pneumonia in Wuhan” after ordering the destruction of all related lab materials a day earlier, making it abundantly clear that the Chinese government knew about this outbreak long before they took any steps to contain it, or made any public announcement.

These propaganda efforts have been bolstered by possible collusion from American scientists, some of which is detailed below – but also most notably by one Peter Daszak, who had been publishing papers on coronaviruses alongside the primary Chinese person-of-interest, Zhengli Shi, for years. Perhaps most notably, Daszak is listed as a co-author in the paper first documenting the isolation of a coronavirus from a bat that targets the ACE2 receptor – just like COVID-19 – research done in Wuhan’s virology lab and supervised by Zhengli Shi, and led by a second suspect Chinese researcher who you’ll meet below. At best, Daszak is perhaps acting as an unwitting agent of the Chinese government, but regardless holds an enormous conflict-of-interest. And if nothing else, it is wildly irresponsible to speak-out against the possibility that the virus got out of a lab when a natural origin has not been conclusively demonstrated. Daszak’s statement in The Lancet is either incompetence, or is meant to be a smokescreen for the wanton hubris and greed that have fueled the dual-use or “gain-of-function” research detailed below: As one possible related project which may have overlapped with this one, coronaviruses have been seen as a viable vector for an HIV vaccine for years – a project with hundreds of millions of dollars dangling over it.

And unfortunately Daszak is far from alone, there are countless “journalists” mindlessly regurgitating statements from the Chinese government and the WHO with no effort to fact-check whatsoever, as well as “scientists” whose real job is running PR for pharmaceutical and research companies who have spent weeks serving China by making extraordinarily misleading and overconfident statements to the public about the origins and capabilities of this virus. As far back as 2015, Chinese labs were reported to have been involved with dual-use gain-of-function research, mixing and matching viral genomes in the lab. And it should be noted that in 2018, the esteemed scientific journal Nature – which has published numerous articles speciously claiming this virus is definitely natural – was revealed to have buckled to censorship demands from the Chinese government, killing over 1,000 articles to placate their Chinese partners.

Many involved in this dissimulation are effectively acting as agents of a foreign government, and they have left most Americans entirely unprepared for the tragedy that’s beginning to occur in our nursing homes and hospitals. If the idea that just maybe this thing came from a lab had been part of the national dialogue from the start – wouldn’t everyone have been much more cautious and open to social distancing and other limitations once the need arose?

And so being an offshoot of this sort of vaccine program, possibly as a Red Team designed to build defenses and therapeutics against, is just one possible gain-of-function pursuit that would fit some of the unusual genomic and logistical picture below. Whether or not it was the exact target of the Wuhan lab’s genomic tinkering – the reality is millions of dollars of funding from multiple world governments have poured into this research, funding that’s dangled over these scientists as they’ve chased it like Icarus, this time not just risking their own lives – but hundreds of millions of others as well.

Subsequently, we are calling for an immediate end to dual-use gain-of-function research.

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While I'm here on a drive-by, a couple additional links/breadcrumbs:



An excerpt from the video clip:

...instead of using excess mortality, which is the only relevant measure, media for over a year have been reporting cases of death. Maybe it's not so strange that people start to think that if they get the disease they will most certainly die. But people die all the time; it has to do with the fact that humans are mortal. But normally we don't see it on prime time television on a daily basis. The feeling in the population will be that everything is out of control, which will lead them to overestimate the risks ... if you provide numbers of deaths each day it will create panic, and this is exactly what has happened, the whole world reacted to events instead of doing a relevant risk analysis.

...governments all over the world issued total lockdowns and curfews, the world took an involuntary pause. And the longer the pandemic has lasted, the more draconian the measures governments have been taking, in a bizarre competition where they have been trying to show strength, they have imposed more and more totalitarian legislation actions that have made them look alert and powerful ...

...but i would argue that this can't be the only explanation, since a lot of very well educated people, also epidemiologists that obviously know a lot about epidemiology, have been contributing to the panic. Instead, the phenomenon makes me think of the essay, The Basic Laws of Stupid People, written by the Italian economic historian Carlo Cipolla.

In this little pearl, Cipolla describes five laws about stupid people that explains a lot of the problems of society. He begins to state that the amount of stupid people are not correlated either to education level or intelligence as defined by IQ; he finds stupid people everywhere, even among nobel prize laureates. What defines stupid people is that their actions lead to bad outcomes as well for themselves as for other people .

Overestimating the dangers of an infection with a mortality rate of around 0.2 percent and at the same time ignoring the massive negative effects of their actions cannot be described in a better way. We have seen a whole generation of children not going to school for over a year; we have seen massive negative economic effects on businesses with the following of unemployment and bankruptcies and we haven't even started to see the full extent of the mental side effects that this will have on the population.

My key objection to the above assessment is that it assumes those driving many of the decisions are making mistakes based on 'stupidity' alone, rather than willfully taking actions driven by greed and power. It's likely a combo of stupidity and despotic and/or greed-based inclinations at the top levels.
(I lean more towards power/greed as the primary drivers for the top-most power entities, with stupidity claiming more of a role incrementally the further one slides down the power structures)

[Belligerent Savant]

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I'll add that -- for whatever it's worth -- while I believe the covid strain to be the result of lab experimentation, i'm agnostic, at the moment, about whether the leak was an accident or intentional.

It may well be this was all planned years in advance, timed in part for advances allowing internet connections to be fast and efficient enough to allow for white-collar work remotely, while also permitting smaller/supply chain business to be absorbed by/sold to larger entities, or otherwise die on the vine (in turn leading to long-term unemployed masses highly reliant on govt handouts, opening the door for eventual UBI and other Great Reset-esque initiatives, etc)

If it was an accidental leak, no doubt power structures capitalized and improvised/refined their approach as months went by.

If it was purposeful from the start, it explains the efficiency of conditioning and psychological tactics inflicted at a wide scale from the onset, not to mention the READY TO DEPLOY marketing/propaganda campaigns that looked polished and crisp within the first ~month of this 'pandemic'.

One can argue, however, that these tactics have been fine-tuned for years, waiting for the right set of circumstances to be unleashed, intentionally or not.

Still, right now, as of May 2021, all things considered, my vote is this was no 'accident'.

[liminalOyster]

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I'll add that -- for whatever it's worth -- while I believe the covid strain to be the result of lab experimentation, i'm agnostic, at the moment, about whether the leak was an accident or intentional.

It may well be this was all planned years in advance, timed in part for advances allowing internet connections to be fast and efficient enough to allow for white-collar work remotely, while also permitting smaller/supply chain business to be absorbed by/sold to larger entities, or otherwise die on the vine (in turn leading to long-term unemployed masses highly reliant on govt handouts, opening the door for eventual UBI and other Great Reset-esque initiatives, etc)

If it was an accidental leak, no doubt power structures capitalized and improvised/refined their approach as months went by.

If it was purposeful from the start, it explains the efficiency of conditioning and psychological tactics inflicted at a wide scale from the onset, not to mention the READY TO DEPLOY marketing/propaganda campaigns that looked polished and crisp within the first ~month of this 'pandemic'.

One can argue, however, that these tactics have been fine-tuned for years, waiting for the right set of circumstances to be unleashed, intentionally or not.

Still, right now, as of May 2021, all things considered, my vote is this was no 'accident'.

Trying to understand this scenario/argument, how does vaccine fit in to this hypothetical scenario for you?

[freemason9]

I realize that I haven't been here for a while, but since when did Rigorous Intuition become a QAnon hangout?

[dada]

Soon the message board will be totally abandoned to the Q crowd. It will be all reshared social media posted with no comment, just half-baked utterances of no import. It is just the natural state of mass consumer culture, I think. Everything turns to shit in it, and then the shit spills out all over everything.

And as goes Rigorous Intuition, so will the entire Internet. So we should all try to enjoy what little is left that has not become totally irredemable and stupid while it lasts.

[Belligerent Savant]

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I'll add that -- for whatever it's worth -- while I believe the covid strain to be the result of lab experimentation, i'm agnostic, at the moment, about whether the leak was an accident or intentional.

It may well be this was all planned years in advance, timed in part for advances allowing internet connections to be fast and efficient enough to allow for white-collar work remotely, while also permitting smaller/supply chain business to be absorbed by/sold to larger entities, or otherwise die on the vine (in turn leading to long-term unemployed masses highly reliant on govt handouts, opening the door for eventual UBI and other Great Reset-esque initiatives, etc)

If it was an accidental leak, no doubt power structures capitalized and improvised/refined their approach as months went by.

If it was purposeful from the start, it explains the efficiency of conditioning and psychological tactics inflicted at a wide scale from the onset, not to mention the READY TO DEPLOY marketing/propaganda campaigns that looked polished and crisp within the first ~month of this 'pandemic'.

One can argue, however, that these tactics have been fine-tuned for years, waiting for the right set of circumstances to be unleashed, intentionally or not.

Still, right now, as of May 2021, all things considered, my vote is this was no 'accident'.

Trying to understand this scenario/argument, how does vaccine fit in to this hypothetical scenario for you?

The mRNA/gene therapy thread touches on this. I'd suggest taking a gander to avoid repetition here.

If anything, the manner and messaging of 'vaccine' rollout (coercion/blackmail tactics; 'vaccine passports', segregated seating at sporting events in the most ardent pro-lockdown states, etc.) only further tip the scales towards intent rather than accident. But at this time nothing is certain, needless to say.

These shots have been distributed for mass deployment to the public with less than 1 year of trials; 'EUA' designation for a virus with an 0.2 IFR and over 99% survival rate for the majority. They are also experimental; unprecedented use of this mRNA tech on humans. How many that have taken the shots have been provided informed consent? How many were told they are not currently FDA approved? Everyone taking them right now are participating in trials, wittingly or not. There is ZERO information or available data on long-term side effects.

Near-term side effects don't look any better. Some here will dismiss VAERS (even though VAERS was considered wholly reliable prior to 2021 -- funny, that), but anecdotal + official tallies of adverse effects, including near-term death, don't look very good. And we're barely ~6 months in.

[Belligerent Savant]

I realize that I haven't been here for a while, but since when did Rigorous Intuition become a QAnon hangout?

This speaks far more to your intake than anything else. Pat yourself on the back for being a willing dupe to propaganda narratives and misdirection.

[Belligerent Savant]

Soon the message board will be totally abandoned to the Q crowd.

No need to read anything typed beyond the stupid first sentence. No one here is pushing "Q". Far from it. Anyone reading content in this thread and thinking "Q" has been wholly tricked by low-grade disinfo/misinfo campaigns. Do better.

For someone that presents as thinking 'above the fray' and meta, it's somewhat disappointing to see you be susceptible to low-grade parlor tricks. That is, assuming you're being earnest, of course.

[Note: I've never read a single "Q"-related missive. Have no idea where to look.]

[dada]

No, I think it is pretty clear.

[Belligerent Savant]

Yes, to you. Which, again, speaks more about your position than anyone else's. And makes you little more than a typical thinker on this topic.

[dada]

I am a typical thinker, without a doubt. But typical thinkers are rare, and their words are so different than what you find in mass consumer culture, that they look like they are speaking in a foreign language.

It's pretty funny that you keep using that half-word, 'meta.' Meta is resharing reshared reshares of social media, the box inside the box in side the box, like dead matrushka dolls in coffins. Talking about what other people are talking about, what other people are talking about. Each box becomes another minus 1. If I'm writing about writing, or thinking about thinking, that is just normal thinking, plus 1. It only looks odd to you, because you have forgotten what real, active and lucid writing and thinking looks like.

[Belligerent Savant]

The bellyaching sentiment of refusing to wear a piece of cloth over the nose and mouth while in public as some drastic infringement on personal freedom is deplorable. Science is broken because I don't like its results.

Science: a branch of KNOWLEDGE or study dealing with a body of FACTS or TRUTHS systematically arranged and showing the operations of general laws. A systemic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.

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The key issue is the fucking pieces of cloth over your mouth DON'T WORK. They are NOT EFFECTIVE. IN other words, SCIENCE showcases that they don't work. Why would anyone put something on their face that has minimal, if any, impact on spread? Unless, of course, they are suffering from classic brainwashing or have been conditioned to believe otherwise.

Here, actual SCIENCE:

“According to the current knowledge, the virus SARS-CoV-2 has a diameter of 60 nm to 140 nm [nanometers (billionth of a meter)] [16], [17], while medical and non-medical facemasks’ thread diameter ranges from 55 µm to 440 µm [micrometers (one millionth of a meter), which is more than 1000 times larger [25]. Due to the difference in sizes between SARS-CoV-2 diameter and facemasks thread diameter (the virus is 1000 times smaller), SARS-CoV-2 can easily pass through any facemask.”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7680614/

Or perhaps this:

“many of the face masks would contain polyester with chlorine compounds…if I have the mask in front of my face, then of course I inhale the microplastic directly and these substances are much more toxic than if you swallow them, as they get directly into the nervous system.”

A few more quotes from the article:
- “There are also reports of toxic mold, fungi, and bacteria that can pose a significant threat to the immune system by potentially weakening it.“
- “Loose particulate was seen on each type of mask. …if even a small portion of mask fibers is detachable by inspiratory airflow, then there is the possibility of not only entry of foreign material to the airways, but also entry to deep lung tissue, and potential pathological consequences of foreign bodies in the lungs.”
- “Reports are that ‘Graphene is a strong, very thin material that is used in fabrication, but it can be harmful to lungs when inhaled and can cause long-term health problems.’ …these substances might also be highly carcinogenic. Not just for us as adults but we must be very concerned about the risks especially to our children.”

https://www.aier.org/article/the-dangers-of-masks/

Never in the history of respiratory illnesses has there ever been widespread asymptomatic infectious transmission.

Until recently, mask use was NOT recommended.

Fauci himself indicated in a 60 Minutes interview on March 2020: “Right now in the United States, people should not be walking around with masks. There’s no reason to be walking around with a mask. When you’re in the middle of an outbreak, wearing a mask might make people feel a little bit better and it might even block a droplet, but it’s not providing the perfect protection that people think that it is. And, often, there are unintended consequences — people keep fiddling with the mask and they keep touching their face.”
https://youtu.be/PRa6t_e7dgI

The WHO made a similar statement around the same time on its Twitter account:

“If you do not have any respiratory symptoms, such as fever, cough, or runny nose, you do not need to wear a medical mask. When used alone, masks can give you a false feeling of protection and can even be a source of infection when not used correctly.”
https://twitter.com/WHOWPRO/status/1243 ... 77024?s=20

At some point afterwards, the CDC and WHO changed their guidance, reportedly due to ‘updated information’, to recommend mask usage, but never provided any science-backed data (other than modeled scenarios) for this change. Their most recent "study" on double-masking was based on using mannequins, not real people, and certainly not children.

Language by the CDC related to mask use are framed with qualifying terms such as "may possibly", or "could prevent spread", and yet this relatively-loose language has led to wide-scale -- and damaging -- mandates/requirements, despite more data becoming available to support the argument that masks are simply not effective.

A few more links:
https://www.aier.org/article/masking-a- ... -evidence/

https://www.city-journal.org/masking-ch ... nd-harmful

And what about real world evidence? What happens when states lift mask mandates?

Since Texas opened 100% 2 months ago (tomorrow)

* Covid hospitalizations are the lowest in almost 11 months

* 5 consecutive days with fewer than 2,000 Covid cases

* Covid positivity rate below 5% for 6 straight days for the 1st time in forever

* fatalities down more than 2/3

Sports stadiums and arenas in Texas are FILLED practically to capacity with very few mask wearers.

How much longer are people willing to be DUPED?

[JackRiddler]

dada, freemason9, can you point to examples of current and recent posts that you consider Q-talk?

[norton ash]

Yes. Covid study and skepticism is not Q.