1. How is it manipulated?
Apart from the question of exactly where the cables / emails / pager communications etc come from, somebody decides what goes up on the web, when, for how long, etc. Who decides, we don't know, but Assange has several times admitted that he lets the Guardian and a couple other major papers decide what gets into print. So it's manipulated at every step.
Ok the major papers decide what they print, fair enough thats a trade off for the publicity thats generated, and the media isn't the only source of the cables. (Everyone knows this stuff is there now, no one knows about cryptome, therefore what yse is cryptome? This stuff only becomes effective against govt when public opinion can be mobilised around it, unless its specific evidence of specific crimes that can be used in court.) WE don't know where the cables come from because the whole point of wikileaks is that we aren't sposed to know. Its a site for leaks - which are sposed to be anonymous. At the moment web access is problematic but you can download every file wikileaks has ever published via torrent also. (WEll you could about 3 days ago.)
2. For that matter hows the mainstream media manipulated?
It's compiled, edited, and published. Usually there are numerous additional mediations.
3. Every source? Yes.
If you or I were running an uncompromised hypothetical MSM organisation we'd do exactly the same. So effectively what you are saying is that all communication is an attempt to manipulate. I've read those drug fucked French philosophers too.
However in the context of wikileaks this is effectively meaningless cos all communication is violence and manipulation, so saying one form or example is bad cos its an attempt to manipulate the reader when by actually saying it you're doing the same thing ....
4. Is wikileaks any different to Cryptome, apart from the media coverage?
Yep, bigtime, and that's a key point. Cryptome puts out stuff from the CIA, which is a good thing, as the CIA is a secretive, unaccountable, illegal, and unconstitutional criminal operation that needs to be exposed.
Wikileaks on the other hand puts out stuff that has no business being made public, like diplomatic cables and weather station e-mails, and that by being made public only benefit asshole CIA clients like oil companies and defense contractors at the expense of the rest of the world.
Who the fuck are you to decide what does and doesn't have any business being made public.
You're obviously not talking about most of whats ended up on wikileaks.
OK the secret ACMA list - you say that has no business being made public. I'd say "Fuck off you fascist." to that. If my govt is planning a secret list of banned websites that I'm not even allowed to see then wikileaks publish it (This happened): and you say all they publish is
stuff that has no business being made public, I have to wonder what your actual agenda is.
Cos according to you I have no business knowing what my govt has decided I can and can't see. I just have to take it on trust that they are doing the right thing.
Seriously wtf?
No way thats not good enough.
Iceland and Kaupthing bank.
Well you're right the Icelandic public certainly had no business knowing that.
And I'll bet if you said it in Iceland tomorrow you'd get lynched, by that same public.
But you are right, how dare those plebs find out about the financial scam that had just been pulled on the entire country.
You reckon I've got no business knowing whats in the cables, maybe not, but there's some stuff that is certainly to my advantage to know. After all what I don't know won't hurt them.
And John Young publishes stuff that no one reads.
Well he published this:
US AU Heads Muse Messing with China and Asia
BFD
That is a document released at midnight Dec31st last year because the 30 year ban on it expired.
So Cryptome publishes irrelevent out of date info thats already in the public domain.
I mean obviously that one example there proves it, and I can afford to ignore everything else that was ever published there.
Where does John Young get all CIA based info from tho?? And hows it been used against them lately? Obviously its a limited hang out and he's part of a controlled opposition to make it look the CIA are getting into shit while simultaneously reminding everyone on a subliminal level that no matter what gets published they'll continue to fuck the world over big time.
Obviously.
