Nuclear Meltdown Watch

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby tazmic » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:03 pm

Thank god it's blowing east and not south-west.

Nordic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster

"Four hundred times more radioactive material was released than had been by the atomic bombing of Hiroshima. However, compared to the total amount released by nuclear weapons testing during the 1950s and 1960s, the Chernobyl disaster released 100 to 1000 times less radioactivity. The fallout was detected over all of Europe except for the Iberian Peninsula"

You could always get a Geiger counter and check your food.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:06 pm

From the BBC newsfeed:

2123: The BBC's Roland Buerk in Tokyo says that as well as dropping water from helicopters onto the fourth Fukushima reactor - in an attempt to cool it down - officials are considering removing the outer panels, to reduce the build up of hydrogen which caused the previous explosions.

2126: Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco) has just announced it is abandoning the plan to use helicopters to drop water as it would be too impractical, AP reports. It said other options were being considered, including using fire engines. Our correspondent said there had been concerns over the proposal, not least because of the possible health impact for the helicopter pilots.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698


The obvious question is: If the health hazards are too great for helicopter crews to risk exposure, then how are these hypothetical fire-engine crews supposed to approach the reactor safely?

Also:

2152: AFP is reporting a new fire at the number four reactor at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant.

2153: Flames are rising from the reactor, AP reports.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:13 pm

I'm chasing a lot of stories at once here. I need to focus on one or two. Here is one I want to chase down but haven't had time yet. Anybody got anything on this.

Hat tip to nordic. This came from the floridaspilllaw site.



Reuters, March 15 at 7:07 am EST:

An officer at the Hong Kong Observatory shows a forecast trajectory of radiation releases from Japan. Indicators in red triangles, blue squares and green stars project wind directions of different altitudes 500 metres, 1,500 metres and 3,000 metres respectively.

See photo here. Green line is the forecast at an altitude of 1,500 meters.





http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/forec ... bservatory
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:21 pm

Here is another one I want to find source for. Throwing these in here for safe keeping. Anybody know source of this?
I saw dailymail supposedly quoted him but i'm looking for another source.


nuclear regulatory commission "Right now it's quite possible that there could be some radiation floating over the United States,' said Nuclear Regulatory Commission spokesman David McIntyre.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Maddy » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:26 pm

http://news.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne%2BNews/World/Story/A1Story20110315-268153.html

"Right now it's quite possible that there could be some radiation floating over the United States. But we don't think that it would be particularly harmful... even in a worst case scenario," spokesman David McIntyre told AFP.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:29 pm

As the event continues I feel more and more for the people on the Island of Japan.

I was thinking the same thing Mac....very little is making sense to me and none of it is encouraging news.




Reuters, March 15 at 7:07 am EST:

An officer at the Hong Kong Observatory shows a forecast trajectory of radiation releases from Japan. Indicators in red triangles, blue squares and green stars project wind directions of different altitudes 500 metres, 1,500 metres and 3,000 metres respectively.

See photo here. Green line is the forecast at an altitude of 1,500 meters.




http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/forec ... bservatory


I noticed in the picture some squares, stars, and triangles are not filled, I wonder what that means.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Julia W » Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:53 pm

http://sciencedude.ocregister.com/2011/ ... st/123599/
Slideshow at the link

No risk of Japan radiation on West Coast
March 15th, 2011, 2:41 pm · 1 Comment · posted by Pat Brennan, science, environment editor

Radiation from Japan’s troubled nuclear reactors has virtually no chance of reaching the West Coast, Alaska or other locations in the United States, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said Tuesday.

But a Chapman University physicist warns that the picture could change if damage to the compromised reactors causes a large release of radioactive material.

“If there is a major meltdown, a release like Chernobyl, then it’s a different story,” said Menas Kafatos, founding dean of Chapman’s Schmid College of Science.
Japanese officials struggled for control Tuesday after explosions at three reactors and a fire at a fourth at the Fukushima Dai-ichi plant, damaged in Friday’s tsunami.

A burst of radation Tuesday prompted the government there to order 140,000 people living within 20 miles of the plant to seal themselves inside their homes to avoid radiation exposure; radiation levels around the plant appeared to drop later.

Despite the Japanese nuclear plant’s many troubles, experts say it is unlikely to reach the proportions of the Chernobyl incident 25 years ago, when the reactor core at the former Soviet Union’s nuclear plant caught fire.

That plant had no containment shell, allowing the radiation to spew into the atmosphere.

“We’re a long way from fuel material coming out of the reactor in the way it did in Chernobyl,” said Steve Crossley, an Australia-based radiation physicist. “In this case, the fuel is still contained.”

The statement from the NRC said that the “small” radiation releases so far from the Japanese reactors has been blown out to sea, away from populated areas.

“Given the thousands of miles between the two countries, Hawaii, Alaska, the U.S. Territories and the U.S. West Coast are not expected to experience any harmful levels of radioactivity,” the statement said.

At present levels, in fact, the U.S. was unlikely to see any radiation at all, even trace levels, from Japan, said NRC spokeswoman Lara Uselding.

She said the agency was aware of a map bearing the NRC logo circulating on the Internet that purports to show high levels of radiation blowing over the West Coast.

“That’s a bogus map circulating online,” she said.

Still, she said, the agency will continue monitoring the situation. The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency mantains a nationwide network of radiation monitoring stations called Radnet, including at least 12 in California and one in Anaheim.

Kafatos said he agrees with the NRC’s assessment of risk “if we’re talking about present levels.”

But he urged caution and vigilance anyway.

“They’re saying every day that it gets worse,” Kafatos said. “Now they’re detecting what could be harmful levels of radiation as far away as Tokyo. I understand we always try not to cause undue concern, but look at what has happened already to Japan.” Chapman scientists will use a sophisticated antenna on campus to collect satellite data and forecast wind patterns across the Pacific as the Japanese situation evolves, he said.

“We know for sure that when there’s major dust storms from east Asia, it can end up reaching the United States,” he said. “It’s the same winds that go in that direction that could carry nuclear clouds.”


The lack of risk did not stop fearful residents in Orange County and across the country from making a run on potassium iodide tablets, tapping out supplies at many stores.

The tablets can protect the thyroid gland against one type of radiation.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Julia W » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:17 pm

http://rt.com/news/east-radiation-nuclear-fukushima/
Russia's Far East braces for radiation alert
Sorry, I don't know how to embed the video.
Published: 15 March, 2011, 11:49
Edited: 15 March, 2011, 17:45
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby Ben D » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:21 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110315/ap_on_bi_ge/as_japan_earthquake

1st fire at Japan nuclear reactor not extinguished
AP
– 15 mins ago

TOKYO – The operator of Japan's stricken Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power plant says fire broke out again at its No. 4 reactor unit because the initial blaze was not completely extinguished.

Tokyo Electric Power Co. says the new blaze flared early Wednesday in the outer housing of the reactor's containment vessel. Fire fighters are trying to put out the flames.

On Tuesday, a fire broke out in the reactor's fuel storage pond — an area where used nuclear fuel is kept cool — causing radioactivity to be released into the atmosphere.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:43 pm

I found what I was looking for. Information about satellite detection of radiation from nuclear spills. I just found it and I plan to tear into it and see if there is a way to access recent images. Thought I would throw it in here right quick in case anybody wants to tear into it and try to find something. Its a pisser that they can do this and won't even tell us what is really happening. Assholes...

One way to do it may be to find one of these trace elements contained in an airborne spill and find a way to surf through satellite filters and see if we can figure out how to spot the airborne radiation. I was Argon mentioned and a couple of other things.

http://gsc.nrcan.gc.ca/gamma/appenv_e.php


Operation Morning Light

In January 1978, the USSR’s nuclear-powered Cosmos 954 satellite [1] fell to earth [2] and scattered radioactive debris across the Northwest Territories near Yellowknife in northern Canada [3]. During the 3 month search & cleanup operation, the Section’s innovative full-spectrum system was re-tuned to detect radiation from man-made sources [4] (Bristow, 1978) and was successful in locating 500 pieces of radioactive debris [5] for subsequent disposal [6].

Operation Morning Light was documented in an illustrated non-technical report (NTIS, 1978) prepared by the US National Technical Information Service. An illustrated report from the Atomic Energy Control Board of Canada (Gummer et al, 1980) is equally readable, but with more details of the recovered debris. A personal account of the operation by Q. Bristow also makes for interesting reading.

[Click on an image thumbnail to view a larger image, notice]

Nuclear accidents

The Radiation Geophysics Section also provides assistance to geologists and geophysicists from other countries in analyzing and processing their airborne gamma-ray survey data. The Section processed a data set flown over a nuclear reactor spill in Eastern Europe (Rangelov et al, 1993). The extent of the contamination from reactor products is evident in the Cobalt-60 map [7] and in the Exposure Rate map (superimposed on a high-resolution SPOT satellite image) [8].

Both maps clearly show the reactor and the path of the spill down two drainage ditches/canals (1993, GSC Open File 2573).

Nuclear reactors & power plants

These are maps of the exposure rate at ground level of gamma radiation emitted by nuclear reactors:



Argon-41 (Ar41) is produced by the activation of Argon-40 (Ar40) present in the air circulating through the reactor. In the most radioactive part of the plume, the calculated exposure rate at ground level was found to be about three times the average natural background radiation in Canada, but no higher than the natural level in many parts of Canada (Grasty, 1983).


Uranium map derived from airborne gamma-ray spectrometry measurements over the town of Port Hope, Ontario, showing low level radioactivity from storage areas and contaminated fill from the refinery at Eldorado Resources Ltd.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby WakeUpAndLive » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:54 pm

eyeno wrote: Its a pisser that they can do this and won't even tell us what is really happening. Assholes...


Right?? Not only do they know, but they send about 10 different authorities from every field to explain their position of non-contamination vs contamination. They know the answer, they give us the run around, hinting at both scenarios. I have a feeling we won't get the info for years to come....like you've said, Assholes.
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:54 pm

sat links to play with

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/imagery/nepac.html
(i don't understand the filters and overlays on this one yet but it looks interesting)




http://www.goes.noaa.gov/index.html
http://virga.sfsu.edu/crws/map_info/jetstream_info.html
http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/satellite.shtml
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/




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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby eyeno » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:12 pm

Knowing these jokers they have a link buried somewhere deep in the bowels of these satellite images that show what is happening. Capable of being accessed by those that know. It probably won't be readily identified. We would just have to be crafty and figure it out.

Check out this link for instance. All sorts of stuff. They could update any sort of little picture regularly and people that don't 'know' would not understand what they were looking at.

For instance check out the possibilities in the top menu of this site. It would not surprise me if on this site or another site there is imagery buried in there some place.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/
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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:15 pm

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Re: Nuclear Meltdown Watch

Postby freemason9 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 8:16 pm

the risk of dying from exposure to moldy tomatoes exceeds the fatality rate of accidental irradiation by a factor of 17
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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