IMF managing director arrested, accused of sexual attack

[8bitagent]

I apologize too for saying people are being hypocritical. I think once again these events serve as a rorschach test(more than a moral compass) Many of us have reason to question all major events; or at least wonder what is buried beneath the headline and for what gains. It just seems even if Kahn was "setup", he still was the one initiating the assault even if he was sent a temptation(if I'm reading the theory right)
Some have speculated elsewhere that Kahn was trying to bring reform to the IMF and was a progressive in French politics. I don't know much about French politics, but I wouldn't be surprised if Sarkozy's opponents wanted him out of the picture. Still...

sometimes things happen outside of a script, which can benefit multiple benefactors

And to others: I agree that sometimes allegations of rape seem like they could be false. I tend to side with believing the victims in stories, as I currently do with the Kahn case...but there was the Kobe Bryant story where it just seemed to me like the whole thing is a setup.

However I also agree with Jack when she pointed out the error in thinking that a shorter man couldn't assault and attack someone much taller. We don't know the psychologial makeup or physicality or a number of factors...and I tend to agree that *some* rhetoric on here has come uncomfortably close to the blame the victim position.
I don't want to see longtime posters leave, as much as I know the debate of gender politics has been quite a varied interpretive point of contention.

[praeclarus]

No the way I've been banging on in this thread is that its unacceptable to dismiss the (alleged) victim of an assault the way a particular poster did,
because that poster has a hard-on for how original his thinking is and how he can see the truth when the rest of us are deluded fools.

Maybe. But you've also been quite vehement in your condemnation of the alleged perpetrator (white, male, raper, pillager).

The guy was head of the IMF, thats enough for him to strung up right there.

I'll cheerfully agree with you there.

Anyway, general reply the "keep mysogeny thread in the mysogeny thread" comments: I agree.

That thread has done nothing but start a never ending series of flame wars, ill feelings,
kiss and make ups, bannings, sock puppeteers, people quitting in huffs, people threatening
to quit in huffs, flagrant and awe-inspiring violations of the rules which are dealt with in a
seemingly entirely aribtrary way or simply ignored, etc, etc.

Which is all good clean forum fun of course but too much of a good thing can be too much.

And the whole board is getting infected with this thread is being a perfect example.

If it were my choice I'd lock that bad boy and give several people a week off.

[eyeno]

2 threads. The misogyny thread and this one. That experience (it wasn't my husband, BTW) sheds light, for me, on how easily someone might or might not be forced into sex. IS THAT NOT RELEVANT TO many, many of the posts here? If I gave you a study saying the same thing would it make you happier?

I've heard enough ok? Take it into your personal life and leave US out so we can discuss world politics. I feel deeply sorry for you, I truly do, but i'm sick of the bullshit.

This isn't on ok.

Learn some respect for people.

If she wants to take this to the lounge then she and I will have something to talk about. Otherwise, i'm sick of it. This is a place to discuss the world, not her personal hatreds. I am on her side. I'm willing to commit board suicide over this because I have 2 hours worth of of research that I will NEVER POST HERE. I'm a little pissed.

[eyeno]

And this is not the first time. This happens over and over. I"m just fucking sick of it.

[Joe Hillshoist]

2 threads. The misogyny thread and this one. That experience (it wasn't my husband, BTW) sheds light, for me, on how easily someone might or might not be forced into sex. IS THAT NOT RELEVANT TO many, many of the posts here? If I gave you a study saying the same thing would it make you happier?

I've heard enough ok? Take it into your personal life and leave US out so we can discuss world politics. I feel deeply sorry for you, I truly do, but i'm sick of the bullshit.

This isn't on ok.

Learn some respect for people.

If she wants to take this to the lounge then she and I will have something to talk about. Otherwise, i'm sick of it. This is a place to discuss the world, not her personal hatreds. I am on her side.

Sorry you're wrong. This is a place to discuss all sorts of things, and being C_W, you and I are all part of the world we are entitled to our place in it.

This place has a tradition, and I'm pretty sure that somewhere its been explicitly stated by Jeff, of being a safe place for survivors of abuse.

If that were enforced strictly, or based solely on the views of survivors then there are posters who wouldn't be here now, cos they'd have been banned a long time ago. This place has incredible levels of tolerence given the stuff that gets covered and many peoples direct relationship to it.

Part of the reason that works is cos we don't say shit like this:

I've heard enough ok? Take it into your personal life and leave US out so we can discuss world politics. I feel deeply sorry for you, I truly do, but i'm sick of the bullshit.

I understand your frustration tho you might not think I do. But honestly I don't think thats an appropriate response to it. People don't just go exposing their pain in intense discussions because it feels good. They do it cos something meaningful has happened and they need to respond to it.

This place is sposed to allow people the space to do that.

[barracuda]

I've heard enough ok? Take it into your personal life and leave US out so we can discuss world politics. I feel deeply sorry for you, I truly do, but i'm sick of the bullshit.

Eyeno, you are totally out of line and disruptive here, again. Warning - if you can't figure out how to let it go and stick to the topic, I'm going to help you find a way.

[eyeno]

Joe thank you. You have a way with words that I do not. But let us take it to the lounge so that we can say, or display, the info we need to display. Just because I display information in this forum NEVER means that I agree with it. But I do not feel free to display it because of the atmosphere.

[eyeno]

I've heard enough ok? Take it into your personal life and leave US out so we can discuss world politics. I feel deeply sorry for you, I truly do, but i'm sick of the bullshit.

Eyeno, you are totally out of line and disruptive here, again. Warning - if you can't figure out how to let it go and stick to the topic, I'm going to help you find a way.

Warning heeded. Later dudes.

[8bitagent]

I think Jeff posted this thread more to illustrate the long dark history of senior elite people of the world who have engaged in these sorts of acts, something he's opined about often in some of his older blog entries and has been discussed ad infinium here. And I read the post as that...just hate seeing seeing discussions of alternate theories descend into explosive rhetoric when everyone is entitled to opinions. Isn't it possible to reconcile the fact some people genuinely feel there's a blame the victim reaction that sometimes comes out(right or wrong with people) without devolving into accusing people of misogyny? I mean I've made some blunders in how I've worded things or sentiments I've alluded to that I'm not happy about or that got misconstrued.

Maybe...this is the ultimate design of exercises like this, be it Assange or Khan...to get people to focus emotion and debate on the notion that some believe there's political motive behind accusations of sexual assault and bypassing what may really be going on

Look at the furious debates over Assange's accused behavior; some arguing it's nothing more than Julian's mea culpa of typical womanizing turned against him or a genuine setup.

Beyond gender politics and "misogyny", it could be party lines too. We tend to think of socialists as the enemy of the fascist or quasi fascist, so any wrong doing and accusation of a socialist, or a leftist must be false.

[DrVolin]

I have 2 hours worth of of research that I will NEVER POST HERE.

Do feel free to PM it.

[82_28]

Just chill, motherfuckers, and post what you got. If you value the board, just post it, let the bullshit slide by and let bygones be bygones. It will always, always be, water under the bridge in the long run.

[brainpanhandler]

Just chill, motherfuckers, and post what you got. If you value the board, just post it, let the bullshit slide by and let bygones be bygones. It will always, always be, water under the bridge in the long run.

No it won't. What you really mean is it wil be dirt under the rug. The women will settle down and go back to their place.

And really... "chill"? Unless one has a very short memory perceiving you as the voice of calmer heads is preposterous, motherfucker.

[JackRiddler]

However I also agree with Jack when she

Yes! At last!


What a relief.

[82_28]

Just chill, motherfuckers, and post what you got. If you value the board, just post it, let the bullshit slide by and let bygones be bygones. It will always, always be, water under the bridge in the long run.

No it won't. What you really mean is it wil be dirt under the rug. The women will settle down and go back to their place.

And really... "chill"? Unless one has a very short memory perceiving you as the voice of calmer heads is preposterous, motherfucker.

Well, if we shed fucking perfectly good members over small things what are we to do when it becomes big things, such as your obsessively aspergian contempt for me, as another member? You really aren't that cool 'handler. But nor am I. But I'll go toe to toe with your ass on anything anytime. See? It ain't that big anymore is it.

You too, chill the fuck out, motherfucker. I know you're far too smart to be told "forest for the trees". But, "forest for the trees", grump ass dick.

[cptmarginal]

Early in his career, Strauss-Kahn speaks at a 1985 Socialist Party press conference in Paris.

"A virtuoso chess player who could play rivals long distance without looking at a board, according to people who know him, and an accomplished economist who often gave speeches without notes"

"He sat out France's 1968 flower-power revolution to go to the prestigious HEC Paris business school. There, he boasted about his ambitions of becoming finance minister or getting a Nobel Prize, say people who know him. The first prediction materialized in 1997, when France's Socialist Prime Minister Lionel Jospin named him finance minister."

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