Active Shooter San Bernardino

[stickdog99]

Hoy Los Angeles google translation

The FBI has conducted more than 300 interviews. The reasons for the slaughter remain unknown

The attorney general Loretta Lynch said investigators have conducted more than 300 interviews and have obtained the support of many governments, including that of Pakistan, as part of the research being done. Interior Minister of Pakistan, where Malik attended school and where parents of Farook, I also announced that the government had begun its own investigation born.

More than 300 interviews, but not the mental patient/best friend who supposedly got them the guns.

Representative Adam Schiff, the Intelligence Committee of the House of Representatives, and who oversaw the federal investigation into the slaughter, said Thursday that federal agents have not got any evidence to show that Farook had "radicalized".

"Agents do not yet have elements to draw a conclusion, are reviewing all tracks, domestic and abroad, which could shed some light on the motivations of the couple to commit the attack."

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[stickdog99]

More on Farook's alleged assault weapon buying friend

Smiling broadly and posing in a bicycle helmet, this is the close friend accused of purchasing the guns that were used to mow down 14 innocent people in San Bernardino last Wednesday.

Baby-faced 'nerd' Enrique Marquez, 29, checked himself into a mental health facility in Long Beach, California on Wednesday afternoon – hours after close friend Syed Farook, 28, and his wife Tashfeen Malik, 29, opened fire on revelers at a work Christmas party.

In the early hours of Saturday morning, Marquez’s Riverside home was raided by the FBI, who allegedly arrived in search of explosives.

But officials said the other two firearms, which are modified 'assault-style' weapons, had been purchased by an unidentified third party, which they believe to be Marquez, according to ABC News. The guns were purchased three years ago, according to the Los Angeles Times. Bespectacled Marquez is not thought to be a suspect in the shooting on Wednesday which killed 14 and injured 21.

Neighbors told Daily Mail Online that SWAT teams and ordinance experts, accompanied by a K-9 unit, arrived in Tomlinson Avenue at 1.30am and left two hours later. Marquez, who has not been seen since Wednesday morning, was, like his friend Farook, described as ‘quiet’ and ‘very shy’ by Lorena Agurre who lives across the street from the home that he shares with his parents and two brothers. ‘He’s very shy but he would wave to me,’ she said. ‘He would smile but I would have to initiate conversation. He didn’t make small talk.’

He and Farook became a familiar sight on Tomlinson Avenue and, according to Agurre, bonded over their mutual love of cars. ‘He [Marquez] didn’t socialize much with the kids nearby. The only person I ever saw him with was Syed but I never spoke to them when they were together.

'Syed was obsessive about cars,' she continued. 'He would be there tinkering with cars all the time and sometimes Enrique would be with him.'

Another neighbor told NBC that the two had been friends since childhood but had grown distant in recent months. Marquez, who has no previous criminal record, was also described as a 'nerd' and a 'weirdo' by others who knew him, while locals spoken of him as someone who liked to keep himself to himself.

But for all that, they were left astonished when the FBI descended on quiet Tomlinson Avenue in the early hours of Saturday morning and entered the Marquez house. 'I was woken up at about 1.30am and heard police saying, "residents of 3838, come out now with your hands up",' explained a neighbor who asked not to be named. 'I saw two guys come out walking backwards with their hands on their heads. The police had them outside and asked if any explosives were inside the house.

'They said no, so then I saw the police use a saw to break into the garage and put some sort of robot thing inside. There were lots of FBI, lots of cops. They were there for a couple of hours - it was about 3.30am when they left, something like that.'

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Wife was only in Saudi Arabia twice for only for a short time

Malik pledged allegiance to the Islamic State during the attack. In now-deleted Facebook posts, she expressed her admiration for ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi using an alias, a Facebook spokesperson confirmed to Mashable.

Malik and Farook met online in 2013, and they got engaged in Saudi Arabia before traveling back to the U.S. together in July 2014.

Malik came to the country on a K-1 fiancée visa, and they married in California in August 2014. She came to the country on a Pakistani passport, but had spent time in Saudi Arabia prior to entering the U.S. Family members describe her as conservative and "radicalized."

Saudi Interior Ministry spokesman Maj. Gen. Mansour Al-Turki told the AP that authorities there have received no indication Malik was radicalized in Saudi Arabia.

Al-Turki said Saudi records show she was not a resident of Saudi Arabia and had been to the kingdom only twice. On both trips, she came to visit her family, once in 2008 for several weeks and the second time in 2013 for four months.

The Saudi Interior Ministry confirmed Sunday that Malik's father — Gulzar Ahmed Malik — has been a resident in the kingdom since the early 1980s. However, Saudi laws do not permit authorities to release further details about his whereabouts or his profession since he is not a suspect.

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more fun with "journalism"

Farook looked into contacting terrorist groups overseas, such as al Qaeda affiliate al Nusra and Al-Shabaab, a senior law enforcement official said.

The source did not specify when or how those attempts were made. A working theory among investigators is that Malik was radicalized before meeting her husband.

The source said at the very least, it appears the couple were inspired by ISIS and possibly other terrorist groups.

Officials caution there is still a lot to learn and there is a plethora of electronic media to review. Part of what is slowing the process down is that the couple’s attempts to destroy their electronics made it challenging for investigators to use the material.

“They covered their tracks pretty well,” the official said.

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Is there any meat to the allegation that there are no records of Tafsheen existing by that name besides media blurbs post-San Bernardino?

There is no way in the world of knowing with certainty that they were self-radicalized jihadis, or whatever...

And how WTF is the line about dry-firing as "training the mind to kill". What does that make the activities of millions of Americans during their visits to shooting ranges, etc. ?

Don't smartphones copy their contents to the cloud yet? I suppose that's about to become a mandatory thing.

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...was also described as a 'nerd' and a 'weirdo' by others who knew him, while locals spoken of him as someone who liked to keep himself to himself.

Welcome to the coming definition of Enemy of The State. Get social with the social media crowd or get fucked.

[stickdog99]

The original La Stampa interview of the alleged male shooter's allegedly alcoholic, mentally disturbed, wife beating father, who now does not remember making these statements

translated using google translate

It's seven o'clock in the evening and darkness fell on the residential community of Corona where he lives Raheel Farook, brother of the killer of San Bernardino. I knock on the door of Forum Way, but no one answers, even if the lights are on inside. From the road he approaches an old man pushing a child on a tricycle, and he asks: "Can I help you?". Of course you can. Are you the father of Syed, right? "Yup". We can talk about his son? "No, look, the FBI I have already questioned for seven hours. There is opened a criminal inquiry, and if I speak risk prison. " But we speak only of his son, not investigation. It was, as a person? "An angel. Good, obedient, studious. Maybe a little 'too shy, conservative, and secured against Israel. "

When did you arrive from Pakistan?

"In 1973 I went to Chicago, I took bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering, and then I started to work hard to build a family. I also drove trucks: weeks away from home, and a broken back, to ensure my children an education and a chance to succeed. "

Why did you call everyone Syed?

"Why Illinois hospital where my children were born ignorant and confused the names. Actually they called and Rizwan Raheel. I'm Syed. "

Why does he say that his son was too conservative?

"Do you think a teenager is not going to parties of the classmates, because he said that a good Muslim can see dance only his wife. I come from the city, are a liberal, joking as they do throughout the Pakistanis and the suggested disbanding, but there was nothing to do. "

They say his wife Rafia divorced because she drank and beat her. So she went to live with Rizwan, while she came here with Raheel. It is true?

"They're all lies. Rizwan was the mama's boy, and she is very religious like him. They have joined forces against me. Once we had a dispute about the historical figure of Jesus, my son yelled that I was an unbeliever and decided that marriage with my wife had to end. I bought a beautiful house, in the garden where I had planted twenty fruit trees. They sold and destroyed my family. "

Rizwan why he did what he did?

"I do not know. I despair and I do not understand. He had everything: earning $ 70,000 a year, more than 20,000 of overtime, a house, a daughter of six months, was the master to earn more. He was fond of mechanics, like me. He studied environmental engineering because there was no work, but its fun were the cars. In his spare time was a mechanic, in his garage. I do not know, I can not give me peace. Maybe if I were at home I would have found out and stopped. "

She had not noticed that accumulated weapons?

"Once I saw he had a gun, and I was angry: in 45 years of the United States - I shouted - I never had a weapon. He shrugged and said, worse for you. "

Never were speaking of terrorism, Isis?

"Sure. And who does not talk about today? He said he shared the ideology of Al Baghdadi to create an Islamic state, and it was fixed with Israel. "

What does it mean?

"I kept telling him always: stay calm, be patient, two years Israel will no longer exist. Geopolitics is changing: Russia, China, America too, nobody wants the Jews there. Li will report in Ukraine. What good fight? We have done that and we lost. Israel is not fighting with weapons, but with politics. He, however, nothing was fixed. "

Fixed on what?

"He was angry with Israel."

He had contacts with terrorists abroad?

"I do not know. But these days, who knows, with the internet and all that technology? ".

Some say that to radicalize his son was his wife.

"Maybe, I do not know. But he knows that I have never seen? Not even all covered with burqas showed succeed. I only know that she was born in Pakistan and lived in Saudi Arabia, but I never spoke. He did not want to see her in-laws. I told my son that it destroyed our family, but he did not care. "

When did you separate?

"Last May he went with his wife, daughter and mother in Redlands, and in September I have come here to live with Raheel."

When did you last saw them?

"It's been to see us on a couple of occasions. I told him I had to finish the master to earn more, because now he had a responsibility to his daughter. "

Meanwhile, her granddaughter, cousin of this child was orphaned six months, fell asleep on the tricycle. The daughter called Syed for dinner. I greet him and I wish him to find peace: "No, it will not happen. You split your back to raise a child, and then you lose it like that. As you recover from such a tragedy? I'm 67 years old and my life is over here.

LOL at publishing the original interview in full only in Italian and making the father's "quotes" more damning in translation.

Paul Mastrolilli was also Johnny on the Spot in the Boston Marathon bombing

[MacCruiskeen]

I want to thank Stickdog99 for all his posts in this thread and recommend that everyone read them in full and follow the links.

He has done similar great work in several other threads in which he commented on ongoing or very recent "terrorist attacks" in the US and elsewhere. And commented on the reporting. It's fascinating and horrifying and very instructive to watch the hacks slide so quickly from saying "the suspects" to saying "the killers" and then waiting around hopefully for any titbit of safely-deniable character assassination thrown their way by "FBI sources speaking on condition of anonymity". Not a hint of resistance or even mild scepticism from The Fourth Estate.

Re: "swallow": no. No evidence of it whatsoever. Let's not slide into presuming that Tashfeen Malik did what she is so far still only accused of having done. The hacks are already doing that for us, as dependably as ever.

Re: "evidence": In fact I have so far seen NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER that either of them committed the crime they are accused of or were even present at the crime scene. Somewhere I read that there were 67 (or 76?) people present at the killing (which took place in a single large room, right?) So:

- Where are those fifty- or sixty-odd surviving witnesses?

- Exactly what and whom did they report seeing?

- How many killers, and how big were they?

- Masked?

- DID ANY OF THOSE WITNESSES RECOGNISE THEIR COLLEAGUE SYED FAROOK AS THE KILLER?

It's not much to ask.

As a thought experiment an act of common decency (and common sense), ask yourself what would count as serious, credible evidence if it were your brother or sister, your husband or wife, your son or daughter, who was being accused posthumously of mass murder.

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There is ZERO evidence that the guy was anything more than a garden variety devout Muslim born in the USA.

There is ZERO evidence that his wife was anything more than a garden variety devout Muslim who was born in Pakistan and who had traveled to Saudi Arabia.

There is ZERO evidence that he or his wife ever bought the tactical clothing they were supposedly wearing when they committed the attack and were definitely wearing when they died. To date, not a single law enforcement hero from the alleged "firefight" against these terrifying mass murdering terrorists armed assault weapons and pipe bombs has been interviewed by the press. Am I the only one who finds this a bit strange considering the media frenzy about this story? Not a single breathless eyewitness report, nor a shred of video evidence of this supposed firefight in a highly populated city has been released to date.

There is ZERO evidence that Farook had sufficient military training to carry out the attack. And as for his wife, there is no evidence that she even knew how to fire a pistol, much less that she was capable of mass murder using an automatic assault weapon.

There is ZERO eyewitness or video confirmation that the three completely covered and masked shooters who "never said a word" even remotely resembled a husband and tiny wife couple.

There is ZERO reason to believe that this couple did what they are accused of, much less that they were "self-radicalized" to commit violent acts in any way.

There is ZERO evidence that he or his wife ever engaged in any "firefight" with the police. No explanation has been proffered for why the couple was gunned down within a couple miles of the original attack more than 4 hours after the attack, nor what they were supposedly doing during that time period.

There is ZERO reason to believe that the FBI "investigation" into this mass murder is anything other than poorly executed stagecraft. The couple's home (but not garage) was opened up for reporters to trash. Shredded papers, IDs, passport photos, electronic equipment, etc. were left behind to serve as corporate media "reporting" props. And the guy who supposedly bought the couple their automatic weapons checked himself into a mental hospital and has yet to be questioned.

Here is all the supposed physical evidence I have found in all my searches:



Wooo, pretty scary! And definitely impossible to plant. Right?

[zangtang]

be that the much-fabled pipe bombs of reknown?

[stickdog99]

Hot off the Presses: FBI Says, "Trust Us, They Had Been Radicalized For 'Quite Some' Time"

The young southern California parents who killed 14 people in a workplace rampage last week had both been "radicalized" into following an extreme form of Islam, an FBI official said Monday.

"As the investigation has progressed, we have learned and believe that both subjects were radicalized and had been for quite some time," David Bowdich, the FBI's assistant director in charge of the Los Angeles office, told reporters.

He added, "The question we're trying to get at is how did that happen, and by whom, and where did that happen. And I will tell you right now we don't know those answers at this point."

But trust us. They were definitely "radicalized".

But Bowdich said that it is not even clear whether anyone else is responsible for the radicalization, since it is possible to be self-radicalized through the internet.

We don't know who or how. But trust us. They were definitely "radicalized".

Bowdich also revealed that Farook and Malik did target practice at local gun ranges before the attack, including one session days earlier.

But we can't tell you where or exactly when. But trust us. They both definitely trained for this terrorist mission.

He also said it was unclear whether anyone in the United States or elsewhere gave the couple direct help to carry out the attacks, which appeared to be planned in advance.

We don't know who or how. But trust us. They were definitely "radicalized".

Investigators have questioned a childhood friend of Farook's who bought the assault-style rifles used to mow down the victims, Bowdich said. But it was unclear how the guns ended up in the killers' hands.

We talked to the guy and he did not clear anything up. We still don't know who, how or why they got the assault weapons. But trust us. The mental patient is harmless (read: not Muslim) and everything is under control.

Farook's mother, who lived with the couple, has also been questioned about what she knew before the attacks. Bowdich said he wasn't sure if investigators were done talking to her.

She was living with the couple and a newborn. She must have seen them planning and practicing for the attack and trying on those tactical suits they bought. She must have noticed them going to the shooting range together. She must have heard them building those pipe bombs and modifying those assault rifles. But trust us. We learned nothing from her and may or may not be finished questioning her.

Bowdich also said that the search of the couple's Redlands home turned up 19 pipes capable of being turned into bombs.

So they were not even pipe bombs now? They were "pipes capable of being turned into bombs"? Well, still trust us!

[stickdog99]

be that the much-fabled pipe bombs of reknown?

"pipes capable of being turned into pipe bombs"

LOL. You cannot make this stuff up!

[MacCruiskeen]

be that the much-fabled pipe bombs of reknown?

"pipes capable of being turned into pipe bombs"

LOL. You cannot make this stuff up!

FEEL THE FEAR

[zangtang]

“They covered their tracks pretty well,” the official said.

no.shit.