Who Was Seth Rich?

[MacCruiskeen]

As WND reported, Jack Burkman, the head of the Profiling Project investigative team, insisted that officials with the Metropolitan Police Department – in collusion with the mayor – are withholding key evidence from the public and obstructing the investigation for political purposes. Burkman, who is also an attorney and a lobbyist, said police are no longer cooperating with anyone, and he believes they’ve completely stopped the investigation into the murder of Rich, who served as the DNC’s voter expansion data director.

Sounds plausible. How long can the cops get away with stonewalling everyone under the pretence that the investigation is still active and ongoing? Can they keep a lid on this for years? Forever?

They probably can, I guess, if the corporate media and the Dem Party machine collude with them to that end. It would take a very strong pushback to resist them all. No wonder they are doing everything in their power to smear anyone asking questions as a rightwing crazy.

Apropos, how did Donna Brazile manage to get WND's Twitter account shut down? Was there ever even any suggestion that WND had misreported or misrepresented her words or actions concerning the Seth Rich case? Not that I know of, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Cordelia]

^^^

How long can the cops get away with stonewalling everyone under the pretence that the investigation is still active and ongoing? Can they keep a lid on this for years? Forever?

I'll bet they can keep a lid on this forever, as long as they're told to...only I doubt there ever was a 'real' investigation.

[Sounder]

Seth Rich Conspiracy Theorist Insists It’s Up To Critics To Disprove The Conspiracy Theory

No, the author said
'If you want to debunk a story, a conspiracy theory, you have to prove(ide) evidence that X, Y, and Z isn’t true and no one does that!"

So if you want to play a legitimate part in the cross talk, deal with the individual elements.

You were never asked to 'disprove the conspiracy theory' and given that you and your circle of friends use these bad faith tactics so well, fairly indicates that you have disrespect for rationality, and your audience and great faith in the power of using emotional triggers and conformation bias as tools for dominance.

Same old story. So thanks for your input, it's always good to know who is carrying the water.

[Iamwhomiam]

I just copied and pasted Mac's quoted search terms into google and came up with two hits, the meme article and this, unrelated to Rich's murder, but regards Lou's City Bar:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyl ... story.html

[8bitagent]

LOL at all the liberal "progressives" I see attacking people online for questioning the mysterious death of Seth Rich

Funny how Seth Rich and the bogus "Russian Trump" conspiracy all come down to elite Democrat Hillary shills upset that people are angry they screwed Bernie

[Elvis]

Well said, 8bit.

Here is how we can judge the fairness of these attacks:

Imagine for a moment that Trump's or the GOP's emails were leaked, and a young, idealistic GOP party computer specialist was then murdered in mysterious circumstances.

The "left" would be screaming for investigations.

[norton ash]

Funny how Seth Rich and the bogus "Russian Trump" conspiracy all come down to elite Democrat Hillary shills upset that people are angry they screwed Bernie

There's nothing bogus about "Russian Trump" and the money-trails and partnerships are not a product of fake media. The bad investigation and coverage of the Seth Rich case stinks on ice, but I am convinced by now that Trump and his key people have been owned by Putin through kompromat since well before Wikileaks or Rich's possible participation or dare-I-say murder by the DNC. They're related stories, but Trump-Russia and election-media-meddling are no fabrication.

[Rory]

The bigger the lie, the more they believe.

The Russia-Trump thing is horseshit. The Clinton election book, Shattered, admitted it. It's a fabrication to cover and deflect away from the opportunity they squandered through hubris and incompetence.

The Steele Dossier is a pack of lies.

There is no "kompromat". Itself a risible, politically charged term with the same intent as calling Seth Rich's assassination a "conspiracy theory"

[Mulligan]

"Shattered" has bits about Clinton blaming her loss on Russian interference (& Comey & everything but herself), but where are you finding an admission that it was horseshit? Having only submitted myself to browsing rather than sitting and reading the whole thing, there didn't seem to be anything that would indicate that the Clinton camp didn't believe the Russian interference was real. They bitched because it was underreported/Obama didn't respond enough.

And the Steele Dossier is raw intelligence with many different sources. How have you determined that it's a "pack of lies?"

Pretty impressive of the Clintonites to have the foresight to manufacture Russian outrage months before they even lost the election, though.

[seemslikeadream]

The Steele Dossier is a pack of lies.

Trump Dossier Analysis:

Corroborating Evidence in the Trump/Russia Dossier


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rbp ... Xs/preview

[km artlu]

Reading the newer posts in this thread today, in addition to having followed it from inception, has made something clear to me. Neither 'side' in this discussion is ever likely to budge. Conclusions have been reached.

I'm among those who conclude blatant political criminality; an assassination for obvious ends. I see Seth Rich as having been an intolerable loose-end; a witness of potentially devastating impact. It became necessary to eliminate that potential. Apparently the mission went to the B-team; hence the discussion.

Here we are, a house divided. And so it shall remain. I value those of like mind who illuminate some aspect or other, but with zero expectation that any of it will convince anyone of the other camp.

I think I've noted this elsewhere here - I conceive of the theatrics of 2016 as having been an election in only a collateral sense. To me it was primarily a grand psy-op of staggering effectiveness.

Many years ago I was in a discussion with a young man who eventually achieved the highest rank of success in music. I had presented to him everything I knew at that time about the death of John Lennon. The room was quiet for a minute before he said, "If I believed that I'd put this guitar away and never pick it up again".

That psychology is the only way I can understand and empathize with those here who see nothing but "a botched robbery". Or who can consider The Washington Post, purchased with a portion of the 600 million received by Bezos from the CIA, as a legitimate source of information.

[Iamwhomiam]

I was disappointed to learn Donna Brazile had been responsible for providing Clinton with the questions beforehand. Just wanted to get that out.

That Rich was murdered to prevent his revealing what he'd learned about the leaked emails certainly seems plausible. I said before I believe he was murdered by the FBI after learning their involvement in actually leaking the email which was blamed on the Russians. I do not believe Democratic insiders are responsible for Rich's murder. Not saying one couldn't be his assassin, I just don't think it likely.

Regardless, we must allow the possibility this was a random murder, too, though most of us doubt that and believe it was indeed a targeted assassination.

[Cordelia]

Reading the newer posts in this thread today, in addition to having followed it from inception, has made something clear to me. Neither 'side' in this discussion is ever likely to budge. Conclusions have been reached.

I'm among those who conclude blatant political criminality; an assassination for obvious ends. I see Seth Rich as having been an intolerable loose-end; a witness of potentially devastating impact. It became necessary to eliminate that potential. Apparently the mission went to the B-team; hence the discussion.

Here we are, a house divided. And so it shall remain. I value those of like mind who illuminate some aspect or other, but with zero expectation that any of it will convince anyone of the other camp.

I think I've noted this elsewhere here - I conceive of the theatrics of 2016 as having been an election in only a collateral sense. To me it was primarily a grand psy-op of staggering effectiveness.

Many years ago I was in a discussion with a young man who eventually achieved the highest rank of success in music. I had presented to him everything I knew at that time about the death of John Lennon. The room was quiet for a minute before he said, "If I believed that I'd put this guitar away and never pick it up again".

That psychology is the only way I can understand and empathize with those here who see nothing but "a botched robbery". Or who can consider The Washington Post, purchased with a portion of the 600 million received by Bezos from the CIA, as a legitimate source of information.

Thank you for your eloquent & articulate observations km artlu; not just here but in other threads too.

I only wish you would post more often.

[Iamwhomiam]

All so called prestigious newspapers have long been poisoned, The Guardian, The NYT and its clone the Boston Globe, as well. I could go on and on. If you haven't yet watched "All Governments Lie," you should.

We would not have initiated the war with Iraq or for that matter, or the war in Vietnam, had it not been for the NY Times running fake stories for the CIA. Without those stories there would not have been support of the public to wage undeclared war.

A conspiracy is a plan made in secret. Knowing the secrets involved and intuiting such are far different things. You need someone willing to talk in order to learn the truth of the matter and should hope they don't secretly work for one of the alphabet agencies. It is very difficult to ascertain the truth if you're purposely kept in the dark.

[Cordelia]

^^^

You need someone willing to talk in order to learn the truth of the matter and should hope they don't secretly work for one of the alphabet agencies.

Fear for one's self (and family) is a strong motivation to keep quiet. Understandably imo. People don't want to be next in line.....