Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[mentalgongfu2]

See, I would to have the blind quasi-religious certainty (1) that you appear to have that experimental vaccines (2) that have never before been used on humans (3) has no deleterious short, mid, or long range side effects (4) that could potentially outweigh the small benefit in fighting off COVID-19 (5) that they confers. So please humor me and tell me, what makes you so sure that injecting billions of people with mRNA instructions to manufacture spike proteins (6) that make viruses more contagious to humans ( (7) is an awesome idea? What makes you so sure that the manufacturing practices followed by the vaccine manufacturer you enriched definitely resulted in a high quality vaccine with no harmful contaminant getting delivered into your arm? Could you please explain your certitude on this issue?

1) blind quasi-religious certainty
2) experimental vaccines
3) that have never before been used on humans
4) has no deleterious short, mid, or long range side effects
5) small benefit in fighting off COVID-19
6) injecting billions of people with mRNA instructions to manufacture spike proteins
7) that make viruses more contagious to humans

Is there a question in here somewhere, or is this just a series of assertions masquerading as a question?

[Grizzly]

Doctors and Scientists Write to the European Medicines Agency, Warning of COVID-19 Vaccine Dangers for a Third Time

Ahead of European Green Certificate (vaccine passport) vote in the European Parliament on April 28, the experts warn that cardinal symptoms of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis (CVST) dominate the list of adverse reactions to COVID-19 vaccines

via J.C. on a Bike https://twitter.com/jjcouey?lang=en
https://twitter.com/Bea_Elisa/status/1398622483134169093

[stickdog99]

See, I would to have the blind quasi-religious certainty (1) that you appear to have that experimental vaccines (2) that have never before been used on humans (3) has no deleterious short, mid, or long range side effects (4) that could potentially outweigh the small benefit in fighting off COVID-19 (5) that they confers. So please humor me and tell me, what makes you so sure that injecting billions of people with mRNA instructions to manufacture spike proteins (6) that make viruses more contagious to humans ( (7) is an awesome idea? What makes you so sure that the manufacturing practices followed by the vaccine manufacturer you enriched definitely resulted in a high quality vaccine with no harmful contaminant getting delivered into your arm? Could you please explain your certitude on this issue?

1) blind quasi-religious certainty
2) experimental vaccines
3) that have never before been used on humans
4) has no deleterious short, mid, or long range side effects
5) small benefit in fighting off COVID-19
6) injecting billions of people with mRNA instructions to manufacture spike proteins
7) that make viruses more contagious to humans

Is there a question in here somewhere, or is this just a series of assertions masquerading as a question?

Do you have an answer somewhere or is this just a series of deflections masquerading as an answer?

[dada]

stickdog, my argument is that your mass culture is dead, and I'm not in it, but just interact with it. It isn't an argument that disagrees with you. I just don't care to get drawn into little time wasting complaining sessions with you about how your mass culture produces corporations and billionaires that are not fair or nice.

Maybe it makes you guys feel better to complain together, I don't know. But I don't care what your mass culture says about Qanon, the attitude here of "oh, we're all poor slaves of the evil corporations that are killing us!" sounds like Qanon style narrative to me.

I interact with mass culture, but it isn't my culture. So I have a different set of problems than you do. It isn't money money money for me, and little guys, overthrow your masters. For me it's like, try to stay out of the street and don't get run over by the whole pyramid, from the smallest toady suckup to the richest fool, and everyone in between, including the innocent and stupid.

Anyway, I know you don't really want to hear how my point of view is different than the mindfield of hatefulness you've layed out for me, in spite of the silly, "correct me if I'm wrong" at the end. So that's what you think of me, good for you. Maybe remind me, why should I care that you think those things in your head about me?

[dada]

Also, I post lots of different things here on lots of different subjects. So you think I'm this and that, fine. Do you really have to go all character-assassination mode on me for it?

[dada]

You know, I'm just taking a step back and assessing the mass culture pyramid as one whole entity. The arguments against elite control, from here look like partial analysis, that folds into mine. So it may look to you like I'm being dismissive of your arguments, but really what I'm saying is that the problem is much bigger than a few billionaires and their schemes, so much bigger that it makes all that appear as it really is, very small and basically just part of the scenery.

I would say that no one on the mass culture pyramid is elite. It isn't any particular individuals that are ruining it for everyone, but the mass culture society itself that is the problem. The elite on planet earth are not a part of mass culture society. People have free will, and choose to identify with mass culture society. I don't.

[dada]

Let me just say, though, that I understand that my opinions are not welcome on this thread. Back when Lola posted a "banging my head against the wall" emoticon at me, I decided to back off. I respect all head-bangers, and it evoked a desire in me to show mercy.

A confluence of events brought me back momentarily, curiosity as to what freemason9 had to say, and seeing that Jack addressed me in a question a few pages ago that I had missed, asking me to describe what Qanon-ish means to me.

But I'll still leave the thread to you and yours, I have no "dog in this fight." Even though I like where dr. strangelove went in his analysis of the topic, and would maybe continue in that direction, I don't want to stick around the thread, causing friction. If you want me to stay out, just stop calling out "beetlejuice," and I won't appear.

[mentalgongfu2]

See, I would to have the blind quasi-religious certainty (1) that you appear to have that experimental vaccines (2) that have never before been used on humans (3) has no deleterious short, mid, or long range side effects (4) that could potentially outweigh the small benefit in fighting off COVID-19 (5) that they confers. So please humor me and tell me, what makes you so sure that injecting billions of people with mRNA instructions to manufacture spike proteins (6) that make viruses more contagious to humans ( (7) is an awesome idea? What makes you so sure that the manufacturing practices followed by the vaccine manufacturer you enriched definitely resulted in a high quality vaccine with no harmful contaminant getting delivered into your arm? Could you please explain your certitude on this issue?

1) blind quasi-religious certainty
2) experimental vaccines
3) that have never before been used on humans
4) has no deleterious short, mid, or long range side effects
5) small benefit in fighting off COVID-19
6) injecting billions of people with mRNA instructions to manufacture spike proteins
7) that make viruses more contagious to humans

Is there a question in here somewhere, or is this just a series of assertions masquerading as a question?

Do you have an answer somewhere or is this just a series of deflections masquerading as an answer?

As you well know, it's quite impossible to have an answer to a non-question. One would first have to ignore the record speed of 18 unrelated assertions per paragraph and then explain a "certitude," that no one has actually expressed. In fact, the only certitude I have seen in this thread is on the part of those who are certain anyone who does not blindly accept that masks and vaccines are a scam is "brainwashed," "sheeple," etc.

This long ago stopped being a discussion and became a data dump for a specific POV. Which is fine, as far as it goes, except for players who want to continue pretending that they are actually inviting some debate or interaction. I sense no honest intent to engage on your part, which makes it equally legitimate for me to pop in and snipe once every 20 pages or so at a time when the only person in weeks who has attempted honest engagement, dada, is once again being metaphorically beat up for not bowing to a specific God of the Church of Covid Denial and instead trying to discuss a topic on their own terms.

It takes a certain audacity to repeatedly call out 'mask wearing brainwashed morons' while maintaining a pretension that a discussion or review of scientific evidence is really welcome. What I have always done on this board, and will continue to do as the urge strikes, is point out bullshit as I see it. I am not required to have a replacement belief ready for evaluation in order to observe that a professed desire on your part to "see the actual scientific data" is not genuine. Plenty of attempts at showing the actual scientific data have been made in this thread, with the usual reply being that said data is not trustworthy for X or Y reason. No one here has access to hidden "real" data, so the unwillingness of a poster to accept the extant data makes this a non-starter.

When someone mentions Qanon in relation to this thread, I understand completely what that means, at least from my frame of reference. Because the rhetorical technique I observe from the sworn advocates that it's all a big lie matches well with those on display among the Qanon true believers elsewhere on the net.

Unlike others here who are certain the vaccine is a con, I have no certitude whatsoever. It is indeed impossible to know the long-term effects of a vaccine that has existed for less than a year. By definition, long-term takes, you know a LONG TERM to identify. But if I'm going to ask myself who do I trust more about Covid-19, my doctor or some person on the Internet who still uses the term "sheeple," well, I'm going to default to putting more weight on one particular side. I have yet to see an argument that I find cogent on the side of the deniers, for lack of a better term.

Are lockdown measures harmful? Without a doubt. Are they more harmful than the disease itself? Maybe, but only if one accepts another long list of assertions about what covid-19 is and isn't. I've seen the various lists regurgitated here, and remain unswayed, primarily because I find the sources of such claims to be generally untrustworthy and in the worst cases pure hucksters.

Such disagreement could serve as a starting point for discussion, but that requires multiple parties to engage honestly, and that so far has not been forthcoming here IMHO. I would love to see someone else join in the thread to take on some of the propaganda and false science being promoted, but I personally do not have the patience or mental wherewithal to do so at this point. I think the fact this thread has devolved into a circle jerk of agreement among a handful of posters is actually the intended result of the rhetorical techniques being employed. I suspect any lurkers reading this who might consider themselves pro-mask or pro-vaccine long ago realized there was nothing to be gained by jumping in so they too can be told they are the ones who are brainwashed. And If dada can't hang after months of trying repeatedly to engage, I certainly can't, though I continue reserve the right to pop in and drop some snark to call out bullshit arguments masquerading as questions unless and until the people in charge tell me I can't.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Briefly-

Numerous strawmen/mischaracterizations above:

I, for one, have never used the term 'sheeple'. But that aside, regardless of whatever distaste one may have for a descriptor, there is the science behind the argument(s). And -- despite your attempts to suggest otherwise -- there is plenty of science behind the arguments that lockdowns haven't/don't work, that masks are NOT effective in stopping or curbing viral transmission, and that experimental Covid shots ARE indeed rife with myriad side effects, including death, and have yet to demonstrate superior mitigation of infection over other far cheaper/less risky treatments and/or naturally-acquired antibodies.

This thread includes mountains of science-based data.

It's not "some person on the internet". It's a growing amount of doctors, scientists, physicians, journalists, and concerned citizens that have outright rebuked the dominant narratives.

That you categorize it as you do -- as if oppostion is relegated only to a small rogue entity or two on obscure forums -- exposes not only your ignorance of the information available on this topic, but also your clear unwillingness to challenge what you've been told.

And yes, there is indeed 'raw' data available for analysis. Not 'real' data as you phrase it, but data points that can be analyzed prior to misleading/outright false interpretation by a given source, mainstream or not. It's this raw data that led many of us to question the dominant narratives.
As mentioned before, however, we certainly do not have access to all the information. We likely never will. But there is more than enough for informed decisions to be made.

Remember: most of us didn't start with these positions, but we arrived at them after sober assessment, and a willingness to challenge prevailing narratives.

You're entitled to keep holding on to your position on this, of course. Hold firm as the foundation cracks around you.

[stickdog99]

stickdog, my argument is that your mass culture is dead, and I'm not in it, but just interact with it. It isn't an argument that disagrees with you. I just don't care to get drawn into little time wasting complaining sessions with you about how your mass culture produces corporations and billionaires that are not fair or nice.

Maybe it makes you guys feel better to complain together, I don't know. But I don't care what your mass culture says about Qanon, the attitude here of "oh, we're all poor slaves of the evil corporations that are killing us!" sounds like Qanon style narrative to me.

I interact with mass culture, but it isn't my culture. So I have a different set of problems than you do. It isn't money money money for me, and little guys, overthrow your masters. For me it's like, try to stay out of the street and don't get run over by the whole pyramid, from the smallest toady suckup to the richest fool, and everyone in between, including the innocent and stupid.

Anyway, I know you don't really want to hear how my point of view is different than the mindfield of hatefulness you've layed out for me, in spite of the silly, "correct me if I'm wrong" at the end. So that's what you think of me, good for you. Maybe remind me, why should I care that you think those things in your head about me?

Thanks for correcting me. However, your characterization of me is at least as one dimensional and cartoonish as my characterization of you. I don't care one whit about wealth, power, or prestige personally. I just try my best to navigate my way and that of the people I care for through the hellish oligiopoly that the rest of the "mass culture" vacillates from reluctantly tolerating to wholeheartedly embracing, much to my chagrin.

And right now, I sincerely wish I could just #believescience with the "no data required" religious fervor of almost everyone else around me. It's very uncomfortable to be the only agnostic willing to speak up in a revival tent.

Still, I try to do my part to fight against our oligopolists. I'll be damned if I will go gentle into their bio-security state, social credit, uninformed coercion dystopia.

"I understand the limitations. I fight against them; I stretch 'em out. I'm not out to save the world."

I can't help my reflexive urge to fight back any more than you can help your reflexive urge to dissociate and abstract.

[stickdog99]

See, I would to have the blind quasi-religious certainty (1) that you appear to have that experimental vaccines (2) that have never before been used on humans (3) has no deleterious short, mid, or long range side effects (4) that could potentially outweigh the small benefit in fighting off COVID-19 (5) that they confers. So please humor me and tell me, what makes you so sure that injecting billions of people with mRNA instructions to manufacture spike proteins (6) that make viruses more contagious to humans ( (7) is an awesome idea? What makes you so sure that the manufacturing practices followed by the vaccine manufacturer you enriched definitely resulted in a high quality vaccine with no harmful contaminant getting delivered into your arm? Could you please explain your certitude on this issue?

1) blind quasi-religious certainty
2) experimental vaccines
3) that have never before been used on humans
4) has no deleterious short, mid, or long range side effects
5) small benefit in fighting off COVID-19
6) injecting billions of people with mRNA instructions to manufacture spike proteins
7) that make viruses more contagious to humans

Is there a question in here somewhere, or is this just a series of assertions masquerading as a question?

Do you have an answer somewhere or is this just a series of deflections masquerading as an answer?

As you well know, it's quite impossible to have an answer to a non-question. One would first have to ignore the record speed of 18 unrelated assertions per paragraph and then explain a "certitude," that no one has actually expressed. In fact, the only certitude I have seen in this thread is on the part of those who are certain anyone who does not blindly accept that masks and vaccines are a scam is "brainwashed," "sheeple," etc.

This long ago stopped being a discussion and became a data dump for a specific POV. Which is fine, as far as it goes, except for players who want to continue pretending that they are actually inviting some debate or interaction. I sense no honest intent to engage on your part, which makes it equally legitimate for me to pop in and snipe once every 20 pages or so at a time when the only person in weeks who has attempted honest engagement, dada, is once again being metaphorically beat up for not bowing to a specific God of the Church of Covid Denial and instead trying to discuss a topic on their own terms.

It takes a certain audacity to repeatedly call out 'mask wearing brainwashed morons' while maintaining a pretension that a discussion or review of scientific evidence is really welcome. What I have always done on this board, and will continue to do as the urge strikes, is point out bullshit as I see it. I am not required to have a replacement belief ready for evaluation in order to observe that a professed desire on your part to "see the actual scientific data" is not genuine. Plenty of attempts at showing the actual scientific data have been made in this thread, with the usual reply being that said data is not trustworthy for X or Y reason. No one here has access to hidden "real" data, so the unwillingness of a poster to accept the extant data makes this a non-starter.

When someone mentions Qanon in relation to this thread, I understand completely what that means, at least from my frame of reference. Because the rhetorical technique I observe from the sworn advocates that it's all a big lie matches well with those on display among the Qanon true believers elsewhere on the net.

Unlike others here who are certain the vaccine is a con, I have no certitude whatsoever. It is indeed impossible to know the long-term effects of a vaccine that has existed for less than a year. By definition, long-term takes, you know a LONG TERM to identify. But if I'm going to ask myself who do I trust more about Covid-19, my doctor or some person on the Internet who still uses the term "sheeple," well, I'm going to default to putting more weight on one particular side. I have yet to see an argument that I find cogent on the side of the deniers, for lack of a better term.

Are lockdown measures harmful? Without a doubt. Are they more harmful than the disease itself? Maybe, but only if one accepts another long list of assertions about what covid-19 is and isn't. I've seen the various lists regurgitated here, and remain unswayed, primarily because I find the sources of such claims to be generally untrustworthy and in the worst cases pure hucksters.

Such disagreement could serve as a starting point for discussion, but that requires multiple parties to engage honestly, and that so far has not been forthcoming here IMHO. I would love to see someone else join in the thread to take on some of the propaganda and false science being promoted, but I personally do not have the patience or mental wherewithal to do so at this point. I think the fact this thread has devolved into a circle jerk of agreement among a handful of posters is actually the intended result of the rhetorical techniques being employed. I suspect any lurkers reading this who might consider themselves pro-mask or pro-vaccine long ago realized there was nothing to be gained by jumping in so they too can be told they are the ones who are brainwashed. And If dada can't hang after months of trying repeatedly to engage, I certainly can't, though I continue reserve the right to pop in and drop some snark to call out bullshit arguments masquerading as questions unless and until the people in charge tell me I can't.

Your total non-response is telling. I sincerely want to see the actual data that make 99% of the people around me so certain that mask mandates, lockdowns, and experimental "vaccines" that instruct our own cells to manufacture spike proteins that make viruses more contagious to humans all definitely confer more overall benefit than harm.

Can you help me with this or not? Or are further complaints that my rhetoric is not sufficiently welcoming all you actually have to offer?

[Belligerent Savant]

HAS NATURAL IMMUNITY BEEN “DISAPPEARED” FROM SCIENCE? Until Nov 2020, natural immunity tied to human innate & adaptive/acquired immune system, was recognized as a key for herd immunity against new pathogens. Now we hear ONLY vaccine counts, which can’t be. Let’s explore...

We’ll come back to chart. First let’s look at WHO Herd Immunity evolution, last 6 mo.
A) Pre-Covid. Natural & Vaccine credited equally for herd.
B) Nov 2020. Natural infection removed; vax only credited.
C) Dec 2020. Natural put back but no herd credit – vax mentioned 18x.



We know that removing natural immunity from the equation does not fit science. Our species would not have survived throughout the millennia if our immune system working with natural infection did not do its job as designed.

Back to chart. It uses government data, plus assumptions. First assumption is 3 components to Herd.
PRE-EXISTING T-CELL [1]
NATURAL IMMUNITY [2] from experiencing Covid infection/recovery.
VACCINATION [3]
The sand-chart includes these components in a chronological buildup.

PRE-EXISTING T-CELL [1]. BMJ Sept 2020, “At least 6 studies have reported T cell reactivity against SARS-CoV-2 in 20% to 50% of people with no known exposure to the virus.” Knowing many will get vaccine, the hypothesis takes just 15% credit as a base.
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3563

PRE-EXISTING T-CELL [1]. We also learn that this type of immunity is durable. Nature article July 2020 says, “patients …possess long-lasting memory T cells that are reactive to the N protein of SARS-CoV 17 years after the outbreak of SARS in 2003.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2550-z

NATURAL IMMUNITY [2]. CDC estimates Feb2020-Mar2021, 114.6M Americans had Covid infection, with estimated 97.1M recognizing their illness due to symptoms/tests. This chart takes credit for only 96M into May to avoid vax double-dip.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... urden.html



NATURAL IMMUNITY [2]. Note that the buildout of the 96 million in the sand chart is applied proportionate to official case data over time, so the shape should be correct. You probably noticed a cases curve overlain on the chart; correlations will be considered momentarily.

VACCINATION [3]. Vaccine program starts late Dec 2020, and fully vaccinated starts to appear in January. Buildup modest at first, then increasing. Discounting modestly for efficacy, by early May vaccinations contribute nearly half of immunity, the balance coming from natural.

WHEN IS HERD IMMUNITY REACHED FOR SARS-COV-2? According to WHO & CDC, the number is in 60-70% range. However, the NYT reported that in 2021 Fauci changed it during TV interviews, first to “70, 75%” then 3 weeks later, “75, 80, 85%”. Feels arbitrary.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/heal ... virus.html

THE WHO’S CHIEF SCIENTIST Dr Soumya Swaminathan says it is 60-70% for SARS-CoV-2 herd immunity
https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease ... /episode-1

COLLAPSE OF CASES, HOSPITALIZATIONS, DEATHS starts by Jan 15. According to this hypothesis, approximately 35% of Americans have developed immunity by that time. The seasonality component is a factor as well.

EXPLANATION A. What gets credit for significant drop in SARS-CoV-2 infections mid-Jan until today. Explanation “A” credits Natural & prior infection for big drop, and shared credit between Natural & Vaccine for continued drop, based logically on timing and volumes shown.



EXPLANATION B. This one follows the prevailing narrative from Fauci, CDC, WHO, MSM. It suggests full credit goes to vaccination. But a reasonable scientific question – How can this possibly work backwards in time? You can decide between A and B, or maybe something else. (?)



END GOAL? Now editorializing, the vaccine environment has become strange. We seem to have forgotten this is under EUA, that trials have not run their course and it is impossible to know mid to long-term effects. Free food, lotteries. Vaccinating 12+ w/o parent consent, etc.



CLOSING. Balancing safety & freedom, we should return to normal, including schools. Vaccinating kids has risk, seems unnecessary (except the vulnerable, voluntary w/informed consent). No lockdowns. Masks optional. Eradicate fear, stoke optimism, conduct investigations.

https://twitter.com/birb_k/status/13989 ... 12835?s=20

[streeb]

Sorry but vaccine hesitancy among you grown-ups means we're left with no choice but to vaccinate children? The spread of variants likely means we're left with no choice anyway but to vaccinate children? Eventually we'll find that the vaccines are safe and therefore we can just go ahead and vaccinate children?

From the Guardian:

Health experts urge caution on giving Covid vaccines to UK children
As the US and Europe approve plans to immunise teenagers, scientists in Britain advise delay

Launching a programme of Covid-19 immunisations for children should be considered only in special circumstances, leading health experts have warned.

They say UK medical authorities, who are currently studying how vaccines for adolescents might be administered, should move with great care over the implementation of such a programme.

They acknowledge it could help reduce outbreaks and the spread of Covid but also warn it could also raise important practical and ethical problems. Doctors would be giving vaccines for which there was limited information about possible side-effects to children who have nothing to gain from such a move, said Professor Adam Finn of Bristol University.

“Children transmit Covid to some extent, although they rarely suffer badly from the disease themselves. If you offer them vaccines, then you put them at risk of possible side-effects – so there really needs to be some significant, tangible benefit to them, not just the indirect protection of adults from Covid-19.”

The preparation of plans to give Covid vaccines to UK children comes in the wake of the US decision to launch such a programme and at a time when Germany has indicated it is planning a similar move. Canada and Switzerland have also approved plans, while the European Medicines Agency (EMA) last week agreed to extend approval for the use of the Pfizer vaccine on 12- to 15-year-olds.

But the move to vaccinate children has been criticised by global health leaders, including the head of the World Health Organization, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, who earlier this month said that although he understood why some countries wanted to vaccinate children and adolescents, he urged them to reconsider.

“In low and lower-middle income countries, Covid-19 vaccine supply has not been enough to even immunise healthcare workers, and hospitals are being inundated with people who need lifesaving care urgently,” he said.

This point was backed by Professor Peter Openshaw of Imperial College London. He said there was now “a very important argument to be had about the ethics of devoting all of these vaccines to our own population when we could be sharing them with the rest of the world”.

In the US – which has led the way in giving Covid vaccines to children – this action has been taken, in part, as a response ​to ​vaccine hesitancy there, added Finn. “In America they’ve got lots of vaccine​ but fewer people ​willing to be vaccinated, so immunising children may be seen as one way of increasing population immunity.

“However, it is probable they may still end up with higher proportions of unvaccinated people in certain communities and that could sustain outbreaks. By contrast, in the UK, the population – so far – has generally been very enthusiastic to be immunised, and that helps protect everyone enormously.”

This situation could change, however, especially with the arrival of new virus variants, added Openshaw. “The new variants are actually spreading down into younger generations. In other words, the virus is changing its behaviour as it evolves, and you could argue that as children are becoming much more important in driving transmission, there are reasons for widening vaccination and including children.”

This last point was backed by Finn, who said that if the spread of new variants caused major increases in cases across the country and triggered new lockdowns – including school closures – then it would be justifiable to begin vaccinating children. “You could justify the theoretical risk of rare severe side effects of vaccines by setting it against the important benefit of not disrupting children’s education any more.”

Professor Russell Viner, of University College London, agreed: “Once we have vaccinated as many adults as we can in the UK, we can look at where we are with the spread of cases, and if we find we still have significant disease transmission taking place, I believe there will be a case for vaccinating teenagers.

“By then, we will have accumulated much more knowledge of exactly how safe vaccines are, and we would be more confident about how teenagers will react to immunisation. Certainly, my feeling is that it is likely that it will eventually be safe to vaccinate teenagers, and that it is something we will do in future.”

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/29/health-experts-urge-caution-on-giving-covid-vaccines-to-uk-children

Never not relevant, I suppose: $3.5 million Gates Foundation grant to the Guardian's Global Development section, 2020: https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2020/09/inv017377

[Grizzly]

Move over Darpa, here comes Harpa AND IARPA
A “new” proposal by the Biden administration to create a health-focused federal agency modeled after DARPA.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=695213#p695213


https://unlimitedhangout.com/2021/05/investigative-reports/this-biden-proposal-could-make-the-us-a-digital-dictatorship/

Far from “ending cancer” in the way most Americans might envision it, the proposed agency would merge “national security” with “health security” in such as way as to use both physical and mental health “warning signs” to prevent outbreaks of disease or violence before they occur. Such a system is a recipe for a technocratic “pre-crime” organization with the potential to criminalize both mental and physical illness as well as “wrongthink.”

The Biden administration has asked Congress for $6.5 billion to fund the agency, which would be largely guided by Biden’s recently confirmed top science adviser, Eric Lander.

Lander, formerly the head of the Silicon Valley–dominated Broad Institute, has been controversial for his ties to eugenicist and child sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and his relatively recent praise for James Watson, an overtly racist eugenicist. Despite that, Lander is set to be confirmed by the Senate and Congress and is reportedly significantly enthusiastic about the proposed new “health DARPA.”

This new agency, set to be called ARPA-H or HARPA... Unlike other agencies at NIH, ARPA-H would differ in that the projects it funds would not be peer reviewed prior to approval; instead hand-picked program managers would make all funding decisions. Funding would also take the form of milestone-driven payments instead of the more traditional multiyear grants.

As first proposed by Wright in 2019, the flagship program of HARPA would be SAFE HOME, short for Stopping Aberrant Fatal Events by Helping Overcome Mental Extremes. SAFE HOME would suck up masses of private data from “Apple Watches, Fitbits, Amazon Echo, and Google Home” and other consumer electronic devices, as well as information from health-care providers to determine if an individual might be likely to commit a crime. The data would be analyzed by artificial intelligence (AI) algorithms “for early diagnosis of neuropsychiatric violence.”

The Department of Justice’s pre-crime approach known as DEEP was activated just months before Trump left office; it was also justified as a way to “stop mass shootings before they happen.” Soon after Biden’s inauguration, the new administration began using information from social media to make pre-crime arrests as part of its approach toward combatting “domestic terror.” Given the history of Silicon Valley companies collaborating with the government on matters of warrantless surveillance, it appears that aspects of SAFE HOME may already be covertly active under Biden, only waiting for the formalization of ARPA-H/HARPA to be legitimized as public policy.

So to be clear, it's DARPA who created the mRNA vaccines. It's DARPA who has been funding most of EcoHealth Alliance to go out and find viruses and genetically engineer. It's DARPA who now has a microchip. Working with Bill Gates the whole time on everything. Is Gates just a DARPA front man?

Nice, so the plan is to give our whole medical histories over to the techs and insurance companies...

then they can use Gates/Bezo, whoever... to do things legally in the private sector that couldn't do legally in government. So they subcontract it out to Gates/Silicon valley

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2021/05/30/a-growing-number-of-governments-hope-to-clone-americas-darpa


Finally, I know most of you don't even read my posts, but those who do, I highly, highly recommend Noagendashows, last podcast : 1351: Bug Appetit!

https://www.noagendashow.net/listen/1351

As soon as show notes come out, I'll add the text...

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John: We're gonna get you vaccinated and my dog is gonna like it. Go lick your face if you even just sign up, get on the system. Adam Curry, John Dvorak,
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Adam: Sunday, May 30 2021. This is your award winning giver nation media assassination Episode 51. This is no agenda. doing it for the dog man broadcasting live from opportunity zone 33 here in the frontier of Austin, Texas Capitol up the drone Star State, everybody. I'm Adam Curry,
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John: and from Northern Silicon Valley where it looks like it's gonna be a great year for apricots. i'm john c. devorah.
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Unknown: buzzkill.
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Adam: But you know, the Farmers Almanac Mm hmm. Why would it be a great year for apricots?
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John: You know, it reminds me of the great year for cherries, we had some time back. Okay. It's just because early ones come in. And they're delicious. And there's a variety of them. And it's a little soon because generally speaking, I think most of the app by the way, is it apricots or apricot? Yeah,
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Adam: I don't know. I was gonna ask
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John: for Cod. Is it apricots? Is it Apple, apricot, apricot? Anyway, I press from Africa. And there's no E. So why would it be apricot so that once they come in early in this, they start showing up, they're delicious. And I just think it's gonna be a fabulous year for apricots. Great,
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Adam: so that satisfies the food segment of the show. What can we pair the apricots with which wine would you suggest?
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John: Oh, any saw turn would be good, I think probably a Riesling.
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Adam: Hey, john, looking at your clips, I'm looking at the clips that I have ships unraveling. I think. Would you agree that stuff is unraveling for weeks on end? Well, the first thing to unravel. You recall, I think was the last show where all of a sudden there's this France 24 report saying Oh, yeah, it looks like looks like someone's trying to discredit Pfizer. They're paying Instagram models to say bad things about Pfizer. And we immediately concluded that's Pfizer. That's Pfizer trying to get out ahead of something. Yeah, because they're the ones that do that. Well, the other shoe dropped.
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Unknown: Here's our T potentially boring development for countries relying on the Pfizer COVID Java leaked study by rival firm AstraZeneca found that in several European countries, the number of fatalities after inoculation with the Pfizer vaccine was higher than with its own. According to the research than in France, there was over double as many deaths per million while in Germany. The difference was even Starker over four times in Norway, Austria and Italy. Pfizer's also apparently more fatal, though in the UK. Interestingly, though, which prioritizes AstraZeneca. This situation is reversed. Meantime, Western outlets have been raising the alarm about a Pfizer smear campaign, allegedly orchestrated by a Russia linked PR agency. It was supposedly offering to pay European Social Media influences to bad mouth, the jab in their posts.
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Adam: So the way I read this is an actual study came out that show that more people have died taking the Pfizer bio intek vaccine. And Pfizer set out to discredit that by saying it was a social media campaign waged by me your campaign smear campaign waged by the Russians, no less. Russians are doing it.
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John: I do have an update with the Russians care. What's the rush? The fact that you just shoehorn the Russians as as the kind of ultimate excuse for things are the ultimate blame? Yes. And it scapegoat listens? lame. I mean, is anybody buy into this crap anymore?
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Adam: Oh, it's so usable in the United States. Particularly Tommy, Tommy, why didn't you do your homework? The Russians did it. The Russians hacked it.
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John: The Russians ate my homework. Exactly.
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Adam: This is this is a it's the go to. This morning, I must have had eight emails all with the same piece of content that we probably should share right at the top of the show. I've got information man, new shit has come to light. And this is from Canada. navia. Hey, radio. woman does a radio show there. Alex Pearson. She had a kind of I think a 10 minute segment with Dr. Brian bertel. He's from the University of goof glue. Have you ever heard of this G L.
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John: Wealth is a wealth wealth graph.
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Adam: I guess that's in Canada, who else? And he he came on and said look, I've got some bad news. It's shocking and people are not gonna like this but we just uncovered something Information two days ago. And we need to share this with the public. And she let
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Unknown: him go, there's a couple of key pieces of scientific information that had become privy to just within the past few days, that has made the final link. So we understand now, myself and some key international collaborators, we understand exactly why these problems are happening, and many others associated these vaccines. And the story is a bit of a scary one. So just to brace you for this, but I'm going to write through this, the the science that I'm going to be talking about. I don't have the time here to describe exactly the scientific data. But let me assure you that everything that I'm stating here, right now, I'm gonna state right now is completely backed up by peer reviewed scientific publications, and well known and well respected scientific journals. I have all of this information in hand, I'm in the process of mildly trying to put it all into a document that I can hopefully circulate widely. So your listeners are going to be the first to hear the public release of this conclusion.
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Adam: I'm ready for this. And this is about the spike proteins. This is the thing that that has been very confusing to everybody. What are they? How do they work? What is the what is the vaccination version of them, none of it is good.
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Unknown: The third Coronavirus to protein on its surface, that sweet protein is what it allows it to infect our bodies. That is why we've been using the spike protein and our vaccines, the vaccines we're using, get our cells in our body to manufacture that protein. If we can mount an immune response against that protein in theory, we can prevent this virus from infecting the body. That's the theory behind the vaccine. Okay. However, when studying the disease of your COVID-19, everything that you've just described heart problems, lots of problems, the cardiovascular system bleeding and clotting is all associated with severe COVID-19. And looking and doing that research, what has been discovered by scientific community is the spike protein on its own is almost entirely responsible for the damage to the cardiovascular system, if it gets into circulation. Indeed, if you inject the purified spike protein into the blood of research animals, they get all kinds of damage to cardiovascular system, and it can cross the blood brain barrier and caused damage to the brain. Goodbye main. Now at first glance, that doesn't seem too concerning because we're injecting these vaccines into the shoulder muscle. The assumption all up until now has been that these vaccines behave like all of our traditional vaccines that they don't go anywhere other than the injection site. So they stay in our shoulder, some of the protein will go to the local draining lymph node in order to
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activate the immune system. However, this is where the cutting edge science has come in this and this is where it gets scary. Through a request for information from the Japanese regulatory agency, myself and several international collaborators have been able to get access to what's called the biodistribution study. It's the first time ever that scientists have been privy to seeing where these messenger RNA vaccines go after vaccination. In other words, is it a safe assumption that it stays in the shoulder muscle? Well, spoiler alert.
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Adam: It doesn't. And I didn't know this about vaccines that they they presume that the vaccine stays in the shoulder muscle and then it just goes out to a couple of areas. We're learning about this in real time. But the spike protein in the Pfizer biotech and the moderna, and I, I don't know exactly if AstraZeneca uses the same this different system. No,
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John: there's more like the Johnson and Johnson.
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Adam: Right, right. The spike protein is what is wreaking havoc if you've heard about people with heart issues, cardio, my cardio my adass cardio, my is the wrong word is the wrong word. Yeah, but it's the one that makes your heart inflammation, palpitations, etc. It's because of the spike protein in the
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Unknown: vaccine. The short answer is absolutely not. It's very disconcerting. The spike protein it gets into the blood circulates through the blood in individuals. over several days post vaccination. it accumulates once it gets in the blood and accumulates in a number of tissues such as the spleen, the bone marrow, the liver, the adrenal glands. One that's Of particular concern for me is it accumulates at quite high concentrations in the ovaries. What this means is so we have known for a long time that the spike protein is a pathogenic protein, it is a toxin it can cause damage in our body if it gets into circulation. Now we have clear cut evidence that the vaccines that make our bodies are the muscles or the cells in our in our deltoid muscles, right manufacture this protein, not the vaccine itself plus the protein gets into blood circulation. When in circulation, the spike protein can bind To the receptors that are on our platelets and the cells that line our blood vessels. When that happens, it can do one of two things that can either cause platelets to clump, and that can lead to clotting. That's exactly why we've been seeing clotting disorders associated with these vaccines. It can also lead to bleeding. And of course, the hearts involved. That's a key part of the cardiovascular system. That's why we're seeing heart problems. The protein can also cross the blood brain barrier and cause neurological damage. That's why also in fatal cases of blood clots many
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times as seen in the brain.
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Adam: He goes into the whole prion stuff and how you can get mad cow disease kind of stuff.
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John: Why isn't this guy arrested? Well,
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Adam: he's gonna wrap it
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Unknown: up here. Looking into the adverse event database in the United States, we have found evidence of suckling infants experiencing bleeding disorders in the gastrointestinal tract. So this has implications for blood donation right now clean blood, clean Blood Services, the same people that who have been vaccinated can donate we don't want transfer of these pathogenic spike proteins to fragile patients are being transfused without blood. And this has serious implications for people for whom SARS Coronavirus to is not a high risk pathogen, and that includes all of our children. In short, the conclusion is, we made a big mistake, we didn't realize it until now, we thought the spike protein was a great target antigen, we never knew the spike protein itself was a toxin and was a pathogenic protein. So by vaccinating people, we are inadvertently inoculating them with a toxin. Some people this gets into circulation, and when that happens in some people, they can cause damage, especially the cardiovascular system. And I have many other I don't have time, but many other legitimate questions about the long term safety therefore this vaccine, for example, with it accumulating in the ovaries, one of my questions is will we be rendering young people in fertile some of them in fertile?
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Adam: Sounds like it's working as, as planned?
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John: nothing new to this show. Well,
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Adam: we didn't really understand the spike proteins and how it gets through the blood and that it's not supposed to show now I disagree. I wouldn't remember I
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John: did just Eclipse I played last time with Peter macola. He specifically who happens to be a guy who deals with with circulation, specifically said this.
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Adam: What's interesting is that we're seeing these top doctors now these some bacala is is highly recognized this guy, I'm not so sure. But do you remember Dr. Scott Jensen,
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John: who was a stager is another one that April to call. He
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Adam: was state senator of Minnesota in April. Right, right,
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John: right. April of last
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Adam: year, he was being investigated for misinformation for misinforming about the COVID. And in particular how people were being documented as COVID when they weren't. So now he's back. He has found his voice again, although he did it on an indirect microphone, not my favorite. And this is regarding the data that has been produced to show that children definitely need to be vaccinated.
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Unknown: Well, yesterday, new research came out showing that you know what, the hospitalizations that we've been told, that occurred with kids, because it COVID-19 that data has been corrupted, too. I've been saying this for the last 13 months. It isn't just one decision by one agency. It's literally this effort to create a culture of just willy nilly put COVID on the death certificate, put COVID-19 as a discharge summary from the hospital, you might get paid more by Medicare. And now we're seeing happen again. Hospital pediatric came on said that at least 40% of the pediatric admissions, quote COVID-19 admissions were not these were hospitalizations for cancer treatments. These were hospitalizations for surgeries for psychiatric episodes, suicide potential drug overdoses. In some situations, one article commented that even a patient being admitted with acute appendicitis being regarded as a COVID-19 admission. The fact of the matter is, we have known for months that the danger to the pediatric population of COVID-19 is miniscule compared to other things that they're at risk for. We've seen suicide just blow up and we've seen drug overdoses almost doubled. And we've seen so many other devastation from the collateral damages occurring from the policies put in place, hunger, increased tuberculosis across the world. But this is just one more article about the
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corruption. We are seeing people put down. This is a COVID-19 pediatric admission and it's not folks. I've been seeing this for 13 months, there's been a corruption of the data and what we can trust. I think we've all gotten to the point where sometimes we'll see an article or hear a news clip and we'll just literally whatever because we just Can't trust.
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Adam: So corruption of the data? smart. Let's
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John: stop and go back to 13 months where we were documented on this show like a year ago, the hysterical news reports about the about the trucks coming in to pick up the dead bodies to hospitals filled to the gills and all the rest of it in New York mostly. And then the next day, a bunch of bloggers and video bloggers went out a couple
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Adam: of years. went down there. Yeah.
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John: And they go down to the same hospitals. There's no, there's no ambulances lined up. There's nobody in the hospital. They go into the hospital, many of them they've walked around in the hospital, there was nobody there. And then they put this on YouTube. It was taken down a week or two later, but it was documented over and over and over again. And more and more and more people are taking off at YouTube.
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Adam: Yes.
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John: I'm trying to get this all we had it on the show people go back 12 months I find it.
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Adam: Yeah, I was just hoping to see if I could find it was it was those guys who were talking with the hot dog vendor, right? It was a great Yeah.
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John: That was that was one of many clips. Yeah. It was a slew of these people that just say this bullshit did nobody here.
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Adam: Does this lead you into McCullough?
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John: Why MIT college? I this is my backup the rest of McCauley. Yeah, definitely meet him. But college Matter of fact, Peter McCullough, we did. We played his clips in the last show, and he is the unassailable expert on this whole thing. He's a doctor with many credentials. And he I'm almost willing to play the last clip first, just so you get a feeling for what how he feels about what you're going to hear. Okay, which one is
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Adam: the final bit
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John: color finale, okay.
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Unknown: My personal situation, professional situation is a position of strength. And those who have attempted in any way to pressure, coerce, or threatened me with reprisal have paid an extraordinary price. And I think that's an important message to get out there. There is a position of strength or based on principles of compassionate care, and of the Hippocratic oath and of the fiduciary relationship that a doctor has to a patient and a prominent doctor has to a population that supersedes all of those other ill intents. And what I say is bring him on.
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Adam: Yeah, I'm, I'm happy he's out there, and hopefully not flying in small aircraft.
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John: Well, a bunch of them have come before and we've documented all of them coming and going and, and they all get sidelined. They all got sidelined. For the last year. We've watched it, we've documented it.
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Adam: Remember the early days, there's two dudes in the county.
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John: From the Fresno clinic, yeah, yeah. And they documented they said this bull crap. And they went on
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Adam: the lengow in New York, who was saving hundreds of people with his hydroxychloroquine zinc combo. Right. He's still alive,
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John: but barely, well, McCullough's. And can because late to the game is where I see it. I mean, I admire him. But this is nothing. But he does mention the ones that came before. Well.
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Adam: And again, we cannot dismiss what happened in the past 10 days, we had an immediate reversal of the mass mandate. We had Bill Gates being summarily taken down. He's off the planet Earth. He's no longer anywhere. Articles left and right about the Gates Foundation about corruption. Even artery the fall of the house of gates headline from the nation, these these are, these are interesting stories that are taking place and then all of a sudden we have these guys coming out.
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John: Pretty amazing. Okay, well, let's start with because there's a four part here. This is this is the I think I started with this is the color follow one,
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Unknown: I'd look very carefully at the work building upon other investigative reporters. So Dr. Peter breggin, has styled COVID
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John: this is you wanted to know what the name of the books were this he lists the books in this. And he also, I think in this could be either this one or the next to be names names, which you also were
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Adam: wondering about. Okay, so just to revisit. The reason for a lot of this may be some books that are coming out. That's what we talked about on the last show, and maybe we'll get these maybe these names will corroborate. I'd look very carefully at the work building upon other investigative reporters. So Dr. Peter breggin, has a book called COVID-19 the global predators We are the prey and it has living document. He's already pre released the manuscript. He's releasing updates. Now he's older, he's kind of worried the story won't get out at his age. But I believe he's up to 900 documents. The whole story is not put together, but it is substantial and shows the interconnections of the stakeholders involved. Dr. Nicholas Wade, who is featured on a recent Tucker Carlson, as an investigative reporter, he has assembled quite a story and, and then Whitney Webb, who's a young investigative reporter, has published some striking things all three of these and as well as many more are linking to important concepts, the suppression of early treatment and even probably the the, the soft attenuation of in hospital treatment to make the problem worse than what it is many methods to make the case count look higher than what it is. Make the mortality numbers look worse than what they are many methods to create the reaction out of proportion to the reality so lockdowns, fears, economic suffering would have you all of these things making the pandemic way worse
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than what it is okay to to have that occur. More fear suffering hospitalization and death, loneliness lockdown in order to promote mass vaccination. Why? Wow, okay, so the most interesting name in that lineup was Whitney Webb and I've been Whitney Webb is fantastic. And she's, she's going podcasting. 2.0 by the way. She did a report the other day, which is fun, very interested in makalah brought it up. And this is her most recent reporting, that there's a lot more than meets the eye particularly Israel's Mossad involvement with a SARS combined with fentanyl. And she says it's possible that some of that was what we saw on the early China videos, people falling down face first on the ground. And she she ties the whole thing into Bill Gates, Epstein, all of the same characters. Really interesting that that McCullough brings her up, and I would say if anyone is dangerous, is her. She's got she's got a good man. Yeah, I mean, it's she did a whole video. I didn't even clip it. I'm like, I can't clip this. You have to get to play 20 minutes much. Yeah, but that's the bottom her. Her essential reporting is, this is the same group of a assholes. We're all mixed in with Silicon Valley and, and the Bill Gates Foundation, it comes back to the foundation with her every single time to just interesting McCullough would bring that in.
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John: He brings it up again and clip to
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Unknown: now mass vaccination at all costs. The world must be mass vaccinated in human beings on earth auto understand at this point in time, what we're seeing is unprecedented. It became known, the virus was going to be amenable to a vaccine, somewhere around April May. And at that point in time, therapy was suppressed everything, nothing can be published everything the fake Lancet paper, squash treatment, and then prepare the population for vaccination. Once the vaccines come out, they're there. They're short tracked. There's all kinds of enthusiasm regarding it, you know, needles and all the arms, trucks rolling, Americans cheering. And then the mass vaccination program starts off. And then before we know it, we're vaccinating pregnant women, why are we doing that? That's can't be safe. Now we're going to vaccinate COVID recovered patients Wait a minute, they have complete and robust permanent immunity. No one's ever challenged the immunity of a COVID recover patient, why are we vaccinating them? And then it keeps going and going at first we vaccinated high risk people I didn't really understand vaccinating young healthcare workers because they weren't at risk. There were never any hospital outbreaks. The United States, the only thing was cleared nursing home workers gave it to nursing home patients. We knew that. So nursing home workers should have been vaccinated. And there may be high risk people and we should call it a day I always estimated maybe 20 million
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people need to be vaccinated. But that didn't seem to satisfy the vaccine stakeholders which are Pfizer, materna, j&j, AstraZeneca and any others that come forward. Finally, the CDC, the FDA, and the NIH, and the White House, massive vaccine stakeholders. You could throw in Gates Foundation, World Health Organization, and throw those in as well. Yeah.
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Adam: Oh, it's gonna be so good. I can feel it. Just who will be thrown under the bus first. My money is on bill.
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John: My money is out of Fauci.
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Adam: No, no no Fauci. No foul. She's no he knows too much. They have to either kill him. They can't just fire him. He would have to have
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John: bills gone bills already thrown under. He's done. So I don't think it's gonna be bill either.
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Adam: Well, no, it's it's not about Bill. It's here this this quick quick report.
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Unknown: Good afternoon to you, Neil. Well, according to The Wall Street Journal changes are coming in fact that the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation after the couple announced their divorce that divorce coming after 27 years of marriage. Now, the kinds of changes that we're talking about would be governance changes, like adding a board and bringing in outside directors, insiders telling the journal that the point of it would be to ensure the future and stability of the foundation. Remember, this is one of the largest charitable organizations in the world as of 2020, the endowment was 49 point 9 billion. And don't forget Warren Buffett, he has said that he will leave most of his fortune to the foundation as for Bill and Melinda Gates, even with these possible changes, they said through Gates Foundation spokeswoman after the divorce announcement that the couple would remain co chairs and trustees of the foundation and would work jointly to shape and improve its strategies and overall direction. When contacted today, the CEO of the Gates Foundation told us quote, as I told foundation employees last week, I'm actively discussing with Bill and Melinda steps that they and Warren might take to strengthen the long term sustainability and stability of the foundation given the CO chairs divorce, no decisions have been made. Yeah,
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Adam: this is all code for Buffett is out. Does this code Buffett is he's distancing himself, he's gonna get out of that mess.
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John: Well, the mesh is gonna dip once the reporters, board reporters decide to start looking into the Gates Foundation they're gonna find is really an investment operation.
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Adam: Yes, and investment operation that that date that gives away 5% to sciences and etc, that support their
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John: investments as it and the investments are wide ranging from prison systems, private prisons
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Adam: need to lock up those Vax vaccine deniers, and all
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John: the other end there's, but it's a slew. And if you every once in a while, you see Oh, the Gates Foundation invested bought some some stock and some company. Yeah. It's really a sleazy operation. I've always felt that was right from the very beginning, when they had all these investments going on. I thought they were supposed to be a charitable operation.
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Adam: No, no, as we had that the former, or the CFO, we had a clip from him from a couple years back. So now, it may be weird isn't it may not feel right to you, but it's how we do things here. Take care, you know, we take 5% we give that away, we actually they actually lend some of it against, you know, cost of money. And all their investments go into the companies that support that investment. So it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful way of doing business.
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John: Well, this is doing business, that's for sure. The color follows three
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Unknown: massive stakeholders, and they wanted everybody to be vaccinated. Without exception. No one will escape the needle. We've actually never had this before. And the vaccine process is extraordinary. There's a consent form. It says this is investigational, we don't know if it's going to work. There's only two months of data. The side effects could be a sore arm all the way to death. And we don't know sign here. We need your identifying information. We need a barcode on the vile, we need you identified and now you're in a database, you're vaccinated. And so this mass vaccination is extraordinarily concerning. We never vaccinate into the middle of a pandemic never. We've never had an effective vaccine for respiratory virus including influences only modestly effective. We knew from the published data, that the attack rates in placebo in the vaccine arms were less than 1%. So we know that the vaccine can have a less than 1% effect in the population. Why would it be any different than the clinical trials? We knew from the from the clinical trials that it didn't stop COVID-19 so people can get COVID-19. Anyway, what would be this incredible drive to vaccinate everybody and now, all my lord now, the vaccine within a few months has been completely weaponized. Now travel is related to the vaccine. People can't go to school without the vaccine, people are losing their jobs without the vaccine. Believe me there is something very, very potent in this vaccine. It
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should be disturbing to everybody the word vaccine ought to be the most disturbing word that they have. See. Now we have 12 year old children who are told they can decide on their own whether or not they could take a vaccine. So you know, about 70% of my patients are vaccinated I'm very pro vaccine. I've taken all the vaccines myself about 70% and they are all vaccine needed in December, January, February. But as we sit here today in May, we have over 4000 vaccine related deaths and over 10,000 hospitalizations, the limit to shut down a program is about 25 to 50 deaths, swine flu 1976 25 deaths they shut down the programs not safe. The whole all the vaccines in the United States per year would MB Linkous report in the database is about 200.
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Adam: update from the virus database as of May 21 262,521 reports, this could be anywhere from one to 10% of the overall total, we're not sure because why trackit reported deaths after the COVID vaccine as of May 21 4406. In the United States, total heart attacks after receiving the vaccine 1598 of which 501 people have died. This what he's saying is true if the virus database is anywhere near correct, we have already had more deaths from this vaccine trial than all vaccine trials put together historically.
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John: And yet it's not a trial. It's a rollout.
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Adam: It's a trial. Well, we know it's a rollout, but it's an experiment.
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John: Well, nobody says that. We're saying that as my Well, we've been saying my we've been saying it since April of last year. It's a big
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Adam: ass experiment. And you're in it.
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John: Though. A lot of you are in it, unfortunately. Okay, let's go to the California bar for
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Unknown: this is far and away. The most lethal, toxic biologic agent ever injected into a human body in American history. And it's going strong. With no mention of safety buyer officials with wild enthusiasm by our hospitals and hospital administrators with doctors supporting it. doctors are saying now they won't see patients in their waiting room without the vaccine. This problem COVID-19 was actually from the very beginning. That's a Whitney Webb said she goes COVID-19 is actually about the vaccine. It's not about the virus. It's about the vaccine.
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Adam: This is this is Wow, man. I hope they're all wrong about that. Because I see there's there's more than one thing, I don't think it's just that for the pharmaceutical companies. Yes. It's all about the vaccine, all about it, whatever, whatever their plan was, I'm not so sure it was the plan. Because and I'm just gonna go back to Whitney Webb's reporting, is every single person who you would think is a douchebag involved in this at at CDC, FDA, Pfizer, any of the big pharmaceuticals, the Bill Gates, they're all part of the World Economic Forum as well. I know drinking club, but they do like to put their stuff out there. And actually, you'll have the latest from the World Health Organization. This was on tik tok and Instagram just two days ago. This is Ted Ross. Booth on Tick tock, yes. Oh, yeah. Well, tick tock is there is there hang. And this is the latest. Just so you know, it is not over
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Unknown: almost 18 months into the defining health crisis of our age, the world remains in a very dangerous situation. More cases have been reported so far this year, than in the whole of 2020. No country should assume it's out of the woods, no matter its vaccination rates. So far, no variants emerged that significantly undermine the efficacy of vaccines, diagnostics, or therapeutics, but there is no guarantee that will remain the case. This virus is changing constantly. future changes could render our tools ineffective and drag us back to square one. Every country can do more. Increased surveillance, testing, sequencing, sharing information, storage supplies needed to protect health workers,
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fight misinformation
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and disinformation. empower people and communities to play their part. Support businesses and workplaces to take steps to open up safely when appropriate. Implement national vaccination strategies, vaccinate those most at risk and donate vaccines to cover. The pandemic is not over.
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And it will not be over until and unless transmission is controlled in every
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Adam: last country. Official World Health Organization video with music they chose that
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John: guy with a Calliope following him around By the way, that particular clip, I wouldn't mind having a copy if slowed down. So there's got a load more tone to his voice I think would be very, very ominous. I
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Adam: found a new someone sent me a cool link to something called melody.ml I think and you can upload in like, I tried it with one of our Supercuts and it's it spits back a number it spits back music voice, you know, other sound effects, so you can completely separate the voice. I'm going to try that with this clip, and then spin it down. Add a little reverb. I think we're good. I hear you. Production notes received.
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John: Yeah, they don't cue ball guy.
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Unknown: The other one
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Adam: was gonna say the other person who's cropped up again, who we also heard from a year ago, is the German doctor right near full mesh, who is mounting class action lawsuits in three different continents. Now, how this will go, I don't know. But he thinks the way to go is his class action. So I think it would be the North America United States or North America things they've tried something Canada already, Europe and Africa possibly. And he was on the deling poll, a deling pod detailing pod cast. with James Delingpole. I think we both respect for a lot of his work. And he gave us a little bit of information about the very beginning of how this got to the vaccine stage with an acronyms. I think both you and I missed in late January,
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Unknown: I think January 22, and 23rd. The pharmaceutical industry pushed the wh o to announce a public health emergency of international concern, public health emergency of international concern, if you pronounce it correctly, it's fake. The public
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health emergency of international concern that why was this so important for the pharmaceutical industry because
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Adam: I needed this, we remember that we remember that they weren't calling it a pandemic. At first they called the public health emergency of international concern, which is a new term, they seem to have just grabbed out of the closet. So he says that the pharma the pharma companies push them to do it.
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Unknown: That why was this so important for the pharmaceutical industry because they needed this announcement for their agenda, which they want it.
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Of course, there
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are several steps in between the mask mandates the lockdown social distancing, but the final result that they wanted to arrive at was to get everyone vaccinated. And in order to get people vaccinated with something that isn't even a vaccine we know now it's an experimental gene therapy, and which has never been tested. That's really important. In order to get people vaccinated with such a new drug, let me put it that way. You first needed the declaration of a public health emergency of international concern because that would then be the basis for the United States giving this an emergency use approval EU a or this is what happened in Europe to give this drug a conditional use approval.
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Adam: So now all the pieces come into play with the with the addition of the complete discreditable action of hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin, etc. That's how they in the United States got the emergency use authorization authorization because you can't have a treatment to get it. And they had the World Health Organization's fake pH gic declaration. So, yes, vaccines, but he thinks that it's even bigger than that. And this gets to our Klaus kuball guy and the World Economic Forum and the Davos kids, my colleagues
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Unknown: and I'm not the only one i'm i'm one of probably in the meantime, two or 300 lawyers who are cooperating worldwide.
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But my colleagues and I here in Germany, we represent small and medium sized businesses because they're the main target of what's going on. This has nothing to do with health. What we what some people think is collateral damage is not collateral damage. It's the intended damage because part of the agenda is well part of what they want is population reduction, as they call it, or population control, which is probably going to be achieved through these so called vaccinations, untested vaccinations, which have serious, serious adverse effects. They've had them already. But we were afraid, according to what the scientists we talked to say, we're afraid is going to be much, much worse. Another part of the agenda is destruction of the middle class, because these businesses are supposedly going to be taken over by some of the Anglo American platforms.
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Adam: Amazon is one of them, of course. And that sounds totally spot on to me. I don't know how you how you mount a class action and how you know who you actually go after gonna do.
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John: They're gonna have I don't know what they're gonna do this, these lawsuits are going to, somebody's got to have a breakthrough in the way they look at it, or the way they dress it. Let's get back to McCullough and go on to his little rant about fatalities.
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Unknown: I think this whole pandemic, from the beginning was about the vaccine. So I think all roads lead to the vaccine. And what it means is that there are already places in Southeast Asia in Europe, they're laying the groundwork for a compulsory vaccination. I mean, compulsory, that means somebody pins you down to the ground and puts a needle in you. That's how bad stakeholders one vaccination. Listen, this none of cost. You don't have to pay for it. It's all provided. There are people or stakeholders they do you want a needle in every arm, this needle in every arm is a very important moniker. Why? Why do you want a needle in our let's take COVID recovered, can't get the virus can't receive it, it has nothing to why would they ever want a needle in the arm of a COVID recover patient why three studies show higher safety events? Three, the tension that Americans are feeling right now, as they try and keep their jobs and go to work is they know they can die of the vaccine. That's the problem. If the vaccine was like water, and we just got it no side effects, who wouldn't take it to hell, I'll comply they got my social security number anyway, in a database. I'm already marked, I'll just get marked. But no, there's something very unique about this vaccine is something about injecting something into into a body that is so important to to stakeholders that it doesn't matter. Kids 12 years old told they can make their own decision on this. And it could be
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their fatal decision. Think about that. North Carolina just passed that oak is 12 years old can make can decide on their own. There are four over 4000 dead Americans. There's over 10,000 dead people in Europe that died on days one, two or three after the vaccine. Why are we pushing this in a way where people's jobs and their education and their livelihood decide on a decision that's potentially fatal? Oh, my,
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Adam: the bigger question, why are we allowing this to happen? Why are we just like sheep?

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[Belligerent Savant]

^^^^^^^^^^

Can't be surprised by this 'HARPA' (and related) development.


Per Streeb's point, experimental shots on children is lunacy. But those that have refused these shots to this point will largely continue to do so.

It's a criminal act, pushing experimental EUA shots on children, who are of practically zero risk and are NOT 'spreaders'.

And, contrary to the notion that these views are merely held by "some person on the Internet", opposition to these un-scientific and senseless policies continue to grow, despite attempts to suppress dissent.

https://off-guardian.org/2021/05/30/loa ... ook-place/

Loads of people, loads of photos – the demo they want you to think never took place

...what the photos show is the rapidly growing movement opposed to the mad perpetration of this new totalitarianism...

As far as the eye could see crowds of marchers filed past Trafalgar Square.