BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

[desertfae]

As for me, I am not whining that Powers and Riverside DA or the AG are not giving me information, because, guess what? I never called them or wrote them asking them for info. I am however whining or complaining that 1) they did not have a public press conference which I would have attended or that they didn't issue a press release, and that 2) two co-conspirators to commit a triple execution are walking around, as free men, without any explanation from the authorities as to the danger to the public.

They DID have a press release, but obviously, you didn't even know about it, and I'm not about to give you the contact for any further press releases because you and VM are trying to interfere.

In the Hughes case, the way they are handling the press is to only put out one story -- how Desertfae and John Powers were brilliant investigators who broke the case open. That's the only story they put out and they put it out over and over. That's the only official information given to anyone.

That is NOT the only information put out.. besides, I'm not even told 'everything' because of my site and their fear that I will post something that I shouldn't. I know a lot of stuff on my own, through my own investigation, but my first priority is to not screw up the case.

Oh, I forgot one thing -- They also had KESQ, film Hughes being booked, which was clearly an attempt to mortify him in front of cameras -- it was a really sick sick film to show him going through each inch of the booking process

Wow, you really don't have a clue do you? lol
You see, IF you had the contact info, you could have gotten that same tape that Nathan did from the people that actually filmed it, which btw, it wasn't KESQ. Well, on second thought, I think they only gave that video out to real reporters, you know, that have actual press credentials.
One has to wonder why you think it was a "sick, sick film" to show a criminal being extradited and booked, is it because you want to help Hughes like you and VM attempted to help PAT?

In the film, Powers completely enjoyed himself, smiling, preening, almost laughing at times at the camera as he processed the defendant, taking off the layers of cuffs (gees I didn't know they had all that stuff?) and then having the defendant try to keep his pants up without a belt on -- the whole booking process for all the world to see, up to the point, where they start stripping him down of his outergarments and some kind of security device around his chest.

Considering the film is raw video, and has no sound, did you think perhaps he may have been speaking with one of the others there? I didn't see JP 'enjoy himself, smiling preening and laughing". If he was, he was likely talking to another officer or something.
Another thing, a 'security device around his chest'? It looked like a back brace to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEApCq2nCjg
I can hear you now, "oh poor, poor Jimmy, we've got to help him and save him from Det. Powers."
I question your motives.

[Dr_Doogie]

Oh, I forgot one thing -- They also had KESQ, film Hughes being booked, which was clearly an attempt to mortify him in front of cameras -- it was a really sick sick film to show him going through each inch of the booking process, a very long perp walk INSIDE INSIDE, I REPEAT, INSIDE THE FACILITY,SO EVERYONE IN THE WORLD CAN SEE THE FACILITY AND ITS LACK OF SECURITY. YES, they are so stupid, they showed the entire world their sheriff dep't process, and blew any security they hope to maintain regarding it. Just outright sadism to give a couple of freaks out there, (WHO enjoys watching this?) some cheap thrills. I personally don't like to see mortification -- a brief walk in handcuffs up to the courthouse or to the steps of the jail house is enough for me to see -- that's enough perp walk, and all that is really allowed in the civilized world outside of Riverside County's Sheriff Dept. It makes you wonder who is running the Hughes case. In the film, Powers completely enjoyed himself, smiling, preening, almost laughing at times at the camera as he processed the defendant, taking off the layers of cuffs (gees I didn't know they had all that stuff?) and then having the defendant try to keep his pants up without a belt on -- the whole booking process for all the world to see, up to the point, where they start stripping him down of his outergarments and some kind of security device around his chest. I can't believe Deputy AG Murphy wanted that sadistic gloating booking film out there. It is a first -- Alfred Hitchcock style psyho stuff. God, they are making a real movie and book out of this as they go along, aren't they?

I just went back to rewatch the video with your observations in mind. All I can say is "Huh???" Everything I saw was consistent with what I assume is standard booking procedures - nothing out of the ordinary. I saw no "lack of security". And I certainly saw no "sadism" or Powers "preening" for the camera. Absolutely nothing in your above paragraph is even remotely true or correct - NOTHING!

This is obviously a raw video pool feed probably provided by the Sheriff's department to be used by media outlets to edit down to the usually fifteen second clip that ends up on the evening news. I would assume that the feed was authorized to limit media interference during what was obviously an event where security needed to be maintained.I am confused - at first Ms. Dixon complains that not enough info is being shared, then she complains that the unedited video provides too much info. And then she completely misconstrues what the tape shows. Honestly, folks, if there ever was a question as to whether NMN/KD/VM has an agenda, please spend the eight minutes watching the video and compare what you see to what Ms. Dixon claims she saw. Good grief, did she watch the same tape as me?

[American Dream]

Meanwhile...

[Kate Dixon]

Meanwhile...

I don't know if that Octopus is saying hello, goodbye or --- you!
But it is true, the job is to figure out the Octopus not carrying on about
secondary issues, as I am falling into that trap a bit.

Alas, I think it is time for me to go to a Christmas party! and Party hearty!
See you later everyone, after I come up with some really goood info.....
I hope. Merry Christmas again!
Kate Dixon

[Kate Dixon]

Meanwhile...

I don't know if that Octopus is saying hello, goodbye or --- you!
But it is true, the job is to figure out the Octopus not carrying on about
secondary issues, as I am falling into that trap a bit.

Alas, I think it is time for me to go to a Christmas party! and Party hearty!
See you later everyone, after I come up with some really goood info.....
I hope. Merry Christmas again!
Kate Dixon

Got the quote function wrong again. The above words after "meanwhile" are from me. "Meanwhile...." is from American Dream!

Kate Dixon

[compared2what?]

Dear Compared 2, my friend, Hughes has immunity per press reports, per Desertfae, per his own statements. Prior to 1/1/97 there was only TRANSACTIONAL immunity (See statutes) in the State of California. Hughes said words to the effect that it was a government sanctioned covert hit. These are my sources re: the two items you mention above. What are your sources that state my sources are not correct or that contradict my information? ANSWER?????

With pleasure, Ms. Dixon. I am at your service.

You're in error about the statutorily mandated ineluctability of transactional immunity in the state of California prior to 1/1/97. And that's not ambiguous or a question of interpretation. It's simply not correct to say that transactional immunity was the only kind of immunity granted in California previous to that date. It is, in a word, incorrect. Or, if you prefer, "wrong." Or maybe "false." Please feel free to select the word meaning "not true or accurate" of your choice. And the next time the issue arises, please bear in mind that as I pointed out earlier in the thread:

That statute applied exclusively, solely and only to non-cooperating witnesses who were refusing to answer a grand jury subpoena compelling their testimony on the grounds that to do so would be a violation of their fifth amendment rights, who told that to a judge in a separate proceeding. In which case, prior to 1/1/97, it was statutorily mandatory for that judge to order a grant of transactional immunity to those witnesses, thus enabling them to comply with the subpoena with all their constitutional rights intact.

Which is historically fascinating, I know. Unhappily, however, it sheds no light whatsoever on the terms under which Jimmy Hughes was granted immunity for his grand jury testimony back in 1984. Because, per his own admission, he not only didn't have to be ordered to comply with a grand-jury subpoena, there might not ever even have been a grand jury investigation in need of his testimony if he hadn't triggered one by choosing freely and of his own volition to seek out LE with the intention of ratting out John Philip Nichols by sharing with them, inter alia, the information to which he later ended up testifying.

So, you know. First of all, given that per his own admission, he was moved to do that as an urgent matter of self-preservation, common sense alone would pretty fucking strongly suggest that he wasn't in any position to demand transactional immunity at the time. Second of all, given that a named source close to the investigation -- ie, Rachel -- has said publicly that his immunity was contingent on his testimony checking out (which it evidently didn't, since no charges were filed) there's actually more than a common-sense-inference basis for thinking that whatever else the grant of immunity under which he testified may have been, it wasn't transactional.

To say nothing of the indisputable fact that he's been sitting around in custody ever since he was arrested on charges that couldn't have been brought if he'd had transaction immunity. Which is pretty decisive, in itself, imo, in light of his having a good enough attorney to have prevented that, were he indeed immune from prosecution for those crimes.

In short, one of your sources is irrelevant to your contention that he has transactional immunity. And the other one contradicts it. So there's no reason to assert that he does. And every reason to assume that he doesn't.

I trust (or at least hope) that this explanation will be more memorable to you than it was in its previous iteration. But in the event that you're still unclear about something, please let me know and I'll do whatever I can to elaborate on it further.

[desertfae]

Meanwhile...

I don't know if that Octopus is saying hello, goodbye or --- you!

Kate, I'd bet that the latter is the correct option, probably not directed toward you though since this image that you seem so unaware of is located on your own server.
See, what I find interesting is that only two people have access to your FTP uploads, you and VM, yet somehow AD just happened to know about this specific image the same day it was uploaded. I'll go out on a limb here and say that I believe that VM (oops, AD) uploaded it. Let's also not forget how AD exclusively "channels" for VM.
I have a witness that double checked my theory and between us, we noticed that the image was uploaded to NMN about the same time that AD mysteriously posted it here. We are aware that you or VM (oops, AD) has modified it since (today), but screen captures are a wonderful thing.




You must have noticed all the traffic going to that one specific image and decided to cover your tracks lol
Sloppy work girls.
VM (oops, I mean AD) uploading and posting it to NMN instead of getting the same image off the net elsewhere:
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/octo2.gif
http://www.internevod.com/rus/show/game/01.gif
and many other places.
and Kate, for playing dumb with something that she knows very well is on her own server.

Alas, I think it is time for me to go to a Christmas party! and Party hearty!
See you later everyone, after I come up with some really goood info.....
I hope. Merry Christmas again!
Kate Dixon
Got the quote function wrong again. The above words after "meanwhile" are from me. "Meanwhile...." is from American Dream!

Kate Dixon

I also think it's rather cute how Kate can't come up with anything more to say, so she just takes off. Grated, it was Christmas, but I haven't seen her back since.

[American Dream]

desertfae wrote:

Kate Dixon wrote:

American Dream wrote:

Meanwhile...



..

I don't know if that Octopus is saying hello, goodbye or --- you!

Kate, I'd bet that the latter is the correct option, probably not directed toward you though since this image that you seem so unaware of is located on your own server.

See, what I find interesting is that only two people have access to your FTP uploads, you and VM, yet somehow AD just happened to know about this specific image the same day it was uploaded. I'll go out on a limb here and say that I believe that VM (oops, AD) uploaded it. Let's also not forget how AD exclusively "channels" for VM.

I have a witness that double checked my theory and between us, we noticed that the image was uploaded to NMN about the same time that AD mysteriously posted it here. We are aware that you or VM (oops, AD) has modified it since (today), but screen captures are a wonderful thing.

Rachel, it's telling that you completely ignored the point I was making by putting "Meanwhile..." paired with the Octopus image there.

Instead you chose to opt for trying to antagonize Virginia, Kate, and myself with sketchy, and it seems, false, accusations. This does indeed say something about you if you are suggesting that I was involved in some sort of collusion around the Octopus image.

So go ahead and be more clear if you can with what you are saying- what exactly are you suggesting here regarding the Octopus cartoon, especially as it relates to me?

[desertfae]

Rachel, it's telling that you completely ignored what I was saying by putting "Meanwhile..." paired with the Octopus image there. Instead you chose to opt for trying to antagonize Virginia, Kate, and myself with sketchy, and I think false, accusations. This does says something about you if you are suggesting that I was involved in some sort of collusion around the Octopus image.

So go ahead and be more clear with what you mean- what exactly are you suggesting here regarding the Octopus cartoon?

Oh, I think you know what I'm suggesting.
My theory is that you are VM under another name.
Note: I don't tell people that it's "fact" as VM did with me in stating I wasn't me when VM knows very well who I am, I clearly state that it's a theory, unlike you guys.
As far as Kate, I don't see how what I said about her is a 'false accusation", "Sketchy" or anything else. The fact is, that image is located on NMN's server, Kate's server. And for her to play dumb about it either says that she's unaware that it was uploaded when it was, that she's really computer illiterate, or that she's well aware of what's going on.. has to be one of the three, the least of which would be that she didn't know it was uploaded.. however in quoting it in her response, she should have seen it pretty well.
As far as what this says about me.. it says I PAY ATTENTION to detail.
Is that clear enough for you, or do you also need big bright colors to understand?

[American Dream]

desertfae wrote:

Oh, I think you know what I'm suggesting.
My theory is that you are VM under another name.

Well your thinking is all messed-up, Rachel. I'm not Virginia McCullough, and I never will be. First time I ever communicated with her was after the subject of you came up on this board, when I contacted her regarding all this. I agreed to post some writings from her, but that does not mean I am her...

The Octopus image, which is the linchpin of your theory, was not I believe posted first on the 25th of December- it has been on NMN for many, many months, if not years. I know because I have seen it there in the past. I also know because I have copied it to this board itself long before the 25th of December date which you give.

So- and I believe I'm adhering to the guidelines here- you're rather full of it in this regard. Your case is exceedingly weak in regards to "Case of the Waving Octopus Cartoon"...

And I believe you're rather studiously ignoring what I actually was saying when I posted the word "Meanwhile..." and the image of the Octopus.

Why is this?

[Dr_Doogie]

Let me summarize for those who are trying to understand this latest issue.

On December 25, someone uploaded a gif of a waving octopus on the server for Newsmakingnews. (Gif URL: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/octopus.gif) The gif appears on the following page: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mblinks.htm Since AD has never stated that he/she is connected to the NMN website, one must assume that either KD or VM placed this gif on the site on the 25th.

Later that same day, AD posts here linking the Octopus.gif on NMN's server. For this to have happened innocently, AD would have just happened to have stumbled onto the gif on the NMN site the same day that it was posted there. The gif is located at the bottom of an unrelated page of Mae Brussell archives so it is very unlikely that AD just happened to find this gif the same day it was posted and then posted it here.

Desertfae's contentions are:

1) No one except KD and VM (or any webmaster KD has employed) have the ability to add items to the site.

2) AD seems to have immediately known about an unrelated gif uploaded to the site, so...

3) AD is Virginia McCullough.

Considering that AD has posted messages from VM here in the past and also seems to share an obsession about slamming TG and MR, if AD is VM, then that would explain alot. Like how AD was the biggest detractor of Rachel on RI prior to the arrest of Hughes (and even after for awhile) and how AD changed gears suggesting that Rachel and VM work together to solve the mystery after public opinion here shifted to a more positive view of Rachel's work.

[American Dream]

Dr. Doogie wrote:

On December 25, someone uploaded a gif of a waving octopus on the server for Newsmakingnews. (Gif URL: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/octopus.gif) The gif appears on the following page: http://www.newsmakingnews.com/mblinks.htm Since AD has never stated that he/she is connected to the NMN website, one must assume that either KD or VM placed this gif on the site on the 25th.

Later that same day, AD posts here linking the Octopus.gif on NMN's server. For this to have happened innocently, AD would have just happened to have stumbled onto the gif on the NMN site the same day that it was posted there. The gif is located at the bottom of an unrelated page of Mae Brussell archives so it is very unlikely that AD just happened to find this gif the same day it was posted and then posted it here.

You don't know what you're talking about here, Doogie-you are as misinformed as you are about Ted Gunderson.

The image of a waving octopus has long lived on the NMN site- as I said I myself have copied it from there to this forum long in the past also. When I wanted to find it this time I had to dig around to see where it was, but it was still there.

So, I'm not sure what the "smoking gun" you think you have is, but you're not as good of an investigator as you seem to think you are.

[Dr_Doogie]

You don't know what you're talking about here, Doogie-you are as misinformed as you are about Ted Gunderson.

Before I address the issue at hand, I must respond to this Gunderson canard. Do a google search for "Dr. Doogie" and "Ted Gunderson" and you will find a substantial number of posts on various sites where I ridicule TG and his kooky beliefs. I was even banned from one site specifically for "Ted-bashing", though I was later reinstated and actually made a moderator. The only change in my opinion about TG is that in the past, I would have considered his info false without looking into it, where now I would view it as suspect until confirmed by independent sources. If not being closed minded is defined as "misinformed", then consider me misinformed.

Now, to the Octopus.gif: The gif's properties showed on December 26 that it was created on 12/25 - the same day that AD posted it here. If it was on the site prior to the 25th and if AD posted it here prior to that date, please link to the post/posts. It would be rather convincing evidence that Desertfae's accusation is incorrect. But absent those links, the evidence looks pretty damning to me.

[barracuda]

Though it is nearly impossible to search for images on this board, I can tell you that I have seen American Dream use that particular .gif file several times long before this December 25th.

[Dr_Doogie]

Barracuda:

It may be that the gif has been on the site prior to 12/25, but I cannot fathom why it's properties indicate that it only was created on 12/25/2009.

BTW: I noticed that you are in Niles, CA which is very close to VM's hometown of Sunol. In your travels, have you ever met Virginia or know about her from local politics? I am curious to know more about her.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=FTV7PQIdzp-6-CkrzkoRDsCPgDGE8ZTW_-IE_g%3BFQqlPQIdyCC8-CkBW9eYM8KPgDGXSuaVA8uURA&q=niles,+ca+to+sunol,+ca&sll=37.6058,-121.937771&sspn=0.06419,0.109692&ie=UTF8&ll=37.600088,-121.937943&spn=0.064195,0.109692&t=h&z=13&saddr=niles,+ca&daddr=sunol,+ca