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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 82_28 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:02 pm

DrVolin wrote:so anyone know what happened to John Doe #2 (or 3, or in this case, perhaps even 4)?


In the Denver Post's slideshow, they still have yet to fix some of these numbers of the deceased. I screencapped this today. Obviously could have been just mistakes made within the mayhem. Their official slideshow, prominently displayed, still bears the original number of 14 as of July 24th.

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So that could be something that was "nefariously mysteriously" retracted for the various conspiracy theories some are espousing.

As for me, I'm just speculating and hold to no official or unofficial preliminary report. However the missing first two could be these "John Does" you are referring to when it comes down to it and will probably ever know for sure.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby DrVolin » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:30 pm

Of course, this had to happen in theatre 9.
all these dreams are swept aside
By bloody hands of the hypnotized
Who carry the cross of homicide
And history bears the scars of our civil wars

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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby stoneonstone » Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:55 pm

Following this thread with a bit of interest, as something is off in this thing...just not sure what. And not certain it matters at this point

Glad to see lots of captures of early interviews and reports, as these are always glimpses that never square with the 'finished' story.

Going back to the ground X of it all, and the importance of the early hours - I love the extended section in the series Evidence of Revision 1, showing Cronkite and all the others for a day or two repeating that the gun found was a Mauser - then the revision kicks in hard (see 32 min on...or earlier by a few minutes for context.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pGg-rS ... re=related

Also the EofR Rarities new tape that has Cronkite passing on the evidence to American from the Dallas doctors that Kennedy was shot from the front (see 1min 43 into it forward).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLLpPDPcz3I

The section in episode 1 from 48 min 22 on, with all the various cuts of Oswald actually speaking shows why we'll probably not hear anything from Holmes, as doped out and silent as he is and will likely remain if he is a dupe or patsy.

Observations for the old, anyway...
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 82_28 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 9:21 pm

MacCruiskeen wrote:
The Daily Mail wrote:Sumit Shah, a friend at Westview High School in San Diego, said: ‘Jimmy was pretty shy but once he got comfortable with you he was the funniest, smartest guy. The guy I knew was harmless.’

Experts believe it is more likely that Holmes was suffering from a genetic psychotic illness which could have acted like a ‘time bomb’ set to go off any time between the ages of 15 and 25.


Ah, yes, experts. Sumit Shah actually knew the guy, but unnamed t̶h̶e̶o̶l̶o̶g̶i̶a̶n̶s̶ "experts" "believe" it's more likely (why?) that he had a̶n̶ ̶e̶v̶i̶l̶ ̶s̶p̶i̶r̶i̶t̶ a time-bomb lurking in his fucking cranium.

a genetic psychotic illness


Ah yes, those. Scary. But which one, exactly? Like the experts themselves, it remains tactfully unnnamed. Was it perhaps the Foul Fiend B̶e̶e̶l̶z̶e̶b̶u̶b̶ Schizophrenia, or was it some new demonic figment (Bad Boffin Disorder?), coming soon to the DSM as yet another aid to our understanding?

How many genes can dance on the head of a pin? I think we should be told.


I'm sure it's nothing, but why did the name "Sumit Shah" make me flash on Brooks Brown of Columbine infamy? Probably just an active imagination with a little alliteration thrown in and that is all. Just throwing it out there at this point. But seeing this name, immediately and in all seriousness, Brooks Brown jumped to mind.

Upon their arrival at Columbine, the duo met near Harris's car and armed two 20 pound (9 kg) propane bombs before entering the cafeteria a few minutes prior to the beginning of the A lunch shift, placing the duffel bags containing the bombs inside. Each bomb was set to explode at approximately 11:17 a.m.[4] However, a custodian removed the security camera video tape, rewound it, and placed a new tape into the slot just as the duo entered the cafeteria. Though the act of placing the bombs was not recorded, just as the new tape was started, the bags could be seen clearly. Klebold and Harris then returned to their vehicles to await the explosion of the bombs they had planted.

As the two youths returned to their vehicles, Harris encountered Brooks Brown, a classmate with whom he had recently patched up a longstanding series of disagreements. Brown was surprised to see Harris exiting a vehicle with a gym bag, commenting to Harris that he had been absent from a class test that morning, but Harris seemed unconcerned. Harris then warned him: "Brooks, I like you now. Get out of here. Go home." Brown, feeling uneasy, walked away.[21] Several minutes later, students departing Columbine for their lunch break noticed Brown heading down South Pierce Street away from the school. Meanwhile, Harris and Klebold armed themselves by their vehicles and waited for the bombs to explode.


This next bit is from an Icke forum and the closest description I can find that I remember from all the wild speculation going on in those days. If true, I didn't realize Brown works for LucasFilm now.

--Brooks Brown was a student and a close associate of Eric Harris. He was in the company of Harris and Klebold prior to the massacre, and was allegedly warned to leave. Brown was the source of much of the "official mythology" surrounding Columbine. However, he was a co-producer of Fuselier's 1997 "Columbine Shooting" video. Also, it was first stated that his brother was shot at by Harris on a stairwell. On Oprah, the Browns stated that his brother was not shot at at all, and was in the cafeteria the whole time. The police initially stated that Brown appeared to know more than he was letting on. Both Brooks and Randy Brown have been notorious for engaging in bizarre antics on Columbine research forums. Brooks Brown trashes the "conspiracy theories" in his book. He now has a cozy job at LucasFilm (Reward?).


http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/ ... 61674.html

http://survivingcolumbine.blogspot.com/ ... uthor.html

I wasn't going to post this at all, but it's been sitting in a tab all day, so I might as well, as I am about to close it to make room for other tabs.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby 82_28 » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:08 pm

Loren Coleman has been going nonstop on this "RED" thing. Red Dawn, Red dresses, women in red and so on.

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/ ... acres.html

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2012/07/red-dawn.html

Anyways, I'm just checking shit out and I see a certain something about "Red Coleman" some bikini douchebag designer.

So I click. . .

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Then search to get here:

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Note his design firm is located at Salon9. See Coleman posts above.

But then, I happen upon this post at Boingboing (who frequently cite Coleman):

Rumor: Olympic opening ceremony to have Mary Poppins fighting Voldemort
Caity Weaver on the plans for London's Olympic opening ceremony:

Before 40-foot-Voldemort appears, "about 100" children will be wheeled out on hospital beds to perform "a choreographed 'bed dance,'" which sounds quite sexy but probably is not. To these one hundredish beds will be added a dozen more "giant" ones, on which will dance/frolic/be such beloved storybook characters as The One Hundred and One Dalmatians' dog-skinning villain Cruella de Vil. Then and only then will 40-foot-Voldemort himself arrive, rising up from yet another giant bed in the middle of the stadium. To recap: All the action to this point has taken place in some sort of bed.

What annoys me out about these games isn't the militarized security or crazy brand-protection laws, which were predictable. It's the pervasive amateurism of the creative work. From the "Blowjob Lisa" logo to the "Amiga-era 3D Modeling Tutorial" mascots to the "Duct tape lettering on dollar store window" typeface, we now progress--allegedly!--to a battle of the brands fought under exclusive license from Warner Bros. and Disney.

Inane surrealism: what you get when there is no heart, no vision, and no story to tell.


http://boingboing.net/2012/07/24/olympi ... to-ha.html

Then I got to wondering about what it was I was thinking when "RED CARTER" jumped out at me.

John Carter (2012)

Transplanted to Mars, a Civil War vet discovers a lush planet inhabited by 12-foot tall barbarians. Finding himself a prisoner of these creatures, he escapes, only to encounter a princess who is in desperate need of a savior.


I have a lot of time on my hands on my days off! :thumbsup
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby stoneonstone » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:21 am

I would guess that upwards of 75% of the people in the theatre had cellphones.

No images at all? Find that is raising an eyebrow with me. Probably about as strange as some of the calm, articulate witnesses that took over the news pops right after the event.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:24 am

Wombaticus Rex wrote:HEREBY ARCHIVED FOR #TRUTHINESS and MOST ILLUMINATING LULZ

Sierra Peterson said...
Ok, I'm trying to understand here...in previous posts you've praised the work of David Lynch, who has literally made horror movies about incest, yet you're blaming the shooting on the violent imagery in the Batman movie? Really? Fire Walk With Me is one of the most disturbing horror movies I've ever seen, even compared to ultra-brutal stuff like Hostel. It doesn't make much sense to point out the voyeuristic hypocrisy of the conspiratainment crowd if you're doing the same thing yourself. Personally, I agree that the abundance of violent imagery in pop culture is a sign of a sick society(not excluding myself), but it starts veering into very dangerous territory when you state that this depiction is the sole underlying cause of a senseless shooting. I don't like the neofascist ideology of the Batman movies either, but holding the filmmakers responsible for this atrocity is heading awfully close to a to tolerance of the kind of ideas that form the basis of mass censorship campaigns.


Christopher Loring Knowles said...
You are deliberately misrepresenting what I said, Sierra. At no point do I claim Nolan or the Batman film is responsible. The shooter is responsible for the massacre. What I am talking about is a general dehumanizing culture and a level of psychological manipulation that is irresponsible and unwise. These mass shootings don't exist in a vacuum- they exist in a culture that reduces human beings to targets to be mowed down. This is something I believe we ALL have to take responsibility for and be accountable to. I don't like it, I've never liked it.


Sierra Peterson said...
"I do know that he deliberately created a brand new archetype with his Joker, the real protagonist of The Dark Knight. A figure of pure, wanton destruction- the killer that every Jugalo would love to be when they grow up. This was pure psychological manipulation of the worst kind, and has had terrible _real_world_results_." The "real world results" you linked to is a list of killers and other disturbed people who adopted the Joker persona. Stating that these murders are an effect of the movie takes responsibility away from the killer and places it in the hands of the filmmaker, and I think that perspective is irresponsible and unwise. Ideas like that can easily lead to the conclusion that depiction of violence and actual violence are of equal moral weight, the same mistake made by Vigilant Citizen, Jones and all the rest when they talk about "predictive programming".


Purely for the sake of the intellectual exercise, let's examine how the conversation doubtless then continued in Parallel Dimension 1, where...I don't know. Where chance'd happened to throw a little more caffeine into Chris Knowles, or something like that:

    Sierra Peterson said... And you have yet to address how it's not hypocritical to criticize the "dehumanizing" themes of Batman while praising the incest-themed horror movie, Fire Walk With Me. At a certain point, it becomes obvious that --

    Christopher Knowles said... Wait, wait, wait. Sierra. Sorry to interrupt. But I guess now I'm trying to understand something here. Are you saying that Fire Walk With Me or David Lynch are somehow responsible or to blame for the real horrors endured by real incest survivors?

    Sierra Peterson said... No. I'm --

    Christopher Knowles said... Great. It almost sounded like you were trying to portray me as, like, some kind of an incest-booster there for a moment. So. Back to topic. You're leaving out some pretty important context, Sierra. The main point I was making -- and I've always been very consistent about this -- WHATEVER TALKING POINT HE MOST WANTS TO HAMMER HOME? THAT GOES HERE!
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:25 am



    Christopher Knowles said... Wait, wait, wait. Sierra. Sorry to interrupt. But I guess now I'm trying to understand something here. Are you saying that Fire Walk With Me or David Lynch are somehow responsible or to blame for the real horrors endured by real incest survivors?

    Sierra Peterson said... Not exactly. As I said, it's one of the most disturbing --

    Christopher Knowles said... Would you say it had a psychological impact on you?

    Sierra Peterson said... (Has to contradict herself or backtrack here no matter how she answers. Maybe not totally screwed within two-and-a-half sentences. But close enough to provide an opportunity for some version of...)

    Christopher Knowles said... You just can't have it both ways, Sierra. Sorry. Movies either do have a psychological impact. Or they don't. I think they do. And frankly, that really doesn't sound like such a wacky, far-out conspiratainment idea to me. But let's back up a little. You left some pretty important context out of that quote. The main thing I was really trying to say -- and I've always been very consistent about this in everything I've written -- WHATEVER TALKING POINT HE MOST WANTS TO HAMMER HOME? THAT GOES HERE!

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There could also be a v 3.0 where she said "Yes." But that would just be such a total cakewalk for him and disaster (not to say "defamation charge waiting to happen") for her, that Parallel Dimension's barely worth the travel time, imo.

The beauty of it is that they're both wrong!

Although if I absolutely had to pick one side of the debate as it really happened Hers. Obviously.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby jingofever » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:34 am

stoneonstone wrote:I would guess that upwards of 75% of the people in the theatre had cellphones.

No images at all? Find that is raising an eyebrow with me.

You find it strange that while being shot at with an assault rifle nobody stopped to take a picture? The theater tells everybody to turn off their cell phones so how could they?
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby barracuda » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:49 am

I think between this incident and the Breivik case, we're discovering that once the semi-automatic weapons fire begins actually hunting to kill you, the handy convenience of the ubiquitous cellphone camera is lost upon just about everyone.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:29 am

Anybody notice yet that these are two different people?

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I thought it right away, the red-haired version didn't look anything like the other picture I'd seen, but I didn't have them to directly compare them, and I honestly didn't think anyone would make THAT big and obvious a mistake, so I sorta blew it off. I remembered mainly the eye color and the expression being radically different. And I've seen people who are addicts look very very different when they're using. And the red-haired version is very obviously on some heavy meds of some kind. God only knows what.

But now that someone has put this picture out, I'm like gob-smacking myself for not doing a direct comparison earlier.

I mean, c'mon. It's either a similar but different person OR he got a nose job. So which is it?
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Grizzly » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:34 am

Anybody else find it odd that Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates is affiliated with The Police Executive Research Forum? A private NGO most prominently known for it's ties to Inteligence, CIA, DHS and Chuck Wexler, better known as PERF?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Oates

PERF has direct ties to both domestic and foreign intelligence agencies around the world such Kroll, Altegrity Security, The Aspen Institute, as well as heavy ties to Israeli security that cross agency boundaries.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/11/1 ... cupy-raids

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Side note, I found the following odd too, If only in light of the Tennesse/Colorado licence plate mis-report...
In which Knoxville (Tenn) (Former FBI) chief of police, Sterling P. Owen IV obvilously has ties to PERF. See below.

Israeli Experts Teach Police On Terrorism:
Training Programs Prompt Policy Shifts


http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2005/Is ... 2jun05.htm
Making Quick Work of an Attack

A key lesson came during a class in Tel Aviv on Islamic fundamentalism.

An Israeli security official rushed in to report an attack on Gaza Street in Jerusalem. A Palestinian policeman on a bus detonated a bomb packed with shrapnel, killing himself and 10 others and wounding 45.

The Americans wanted to go to the site. But Israeli Brig. Gen. Simon Perry told them there was little point. While a bombing in America might be roped off for days, by the time the officials got to Jerusalem, the scene would be cleared.

“It’s very important to them to clear a crime scene quickly and get back to business as usual,” said Sterling P. Owen IV, the Knoxville chief of police. “They do not want their lives and businesses to be disrupted. Their philosophy is, we’re going to reopen just as though it never happened.”

Lanier also was taken aback by the speed and efficiency with which the Israeli police notified the public, assisted the victims, rushed them to hospitals and cleaned their blood-spattered bombing scenes.

“They told us that the longer the scene is left there, the more traumatizing it becomes,” Lanier said. “They clean and clear as quickly as they can. The suicide bomber is dead. There’s not this meticulous combing for evidence in every case.”


Prob nothing but interesting...
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:36 am

Yeah, not a lot of people in Colorado with New Yorky sounding accents. Not back when I lived there anyway. That strikes me as very out of place.
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby Nordic » Wed Jul 25, 2012 2:43 am

This is worth the read, especially for the comments. It's all over the map, but a lot of food for thought.

Was the “Batman Shooting” a Ritualistic Murder Carried Out by Mind Controlled Patsy?

http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantrepo ... led-patsy/

Here's a particular doozy:

Yosan says:
July 23, 2012 at 11:10 pm
The “Joker” is the personification of the uncanny. A good at heart person with a malicious intent and vice versa , a malevolent person with a smily countenance.In essence a deep dualism of personality and effect.The joker has always been a mysterious representation and symbol of Deity.The ‘two faced riddler” (roman God JANUS), the eternal Hermes,the ever young “Pan” of Peter Pan fame, the Persian Mithra (cow stealer), the egyptian “Seth” who traps his brother Osiris in a wooden chest by deceit and then mutilates his body and the trickster “Shiva” who always checks the faith of the pure via tricks and deceptions.It is quintessentially an understanding of God as a beneficial Lord , but with a tricky disposition. We see this representation embodied in the Joker card / Hanging man card of the playing deck/tarot deck.

Now lets look at the prototypical “Joker”, “clown”.A joker wears white paint on its face and exhibits over exaggeration of body/ facial features, wears a conical hat or hat with bells, juggles balls and is always in a festive mood, yet remains silent and quickly changes its emotions at the drop of a hat.

All aspects of the Joker represents some aspects of Deity or the “God head”.The white paint on the face represents Shiva, lord of death , who rubs the ashes of the deceased on his face.The Aghoris of India , paint their entire bodies in human ash and are thought of as weirdos and jesters due to behavior bordering on the insane and the violent.The painting of the face also represents masking of the face or a mask of sorts.The “Lord of Masks” was Dionysus who is the same shiva archetype and the worship of Dionysus required the adherents, to wear masks , a ritual aptly portrayed by Stanley Kubrick in the “Masked Ball Orgy” in Eyes Wide Shut.

The conical hat of the Joker, is the same conical hat of the wizards and warlocks, witches and fairies of modern folk lore , but also the head dress of the Gauls/Celtic druids,the priests of baal in Phonecia, the Vatican priests during the Spanish Inquisition (Beltane), the conical hat and face mask of the executioner, guillotiner and hangman and more recently by the Klan members of the Ku Klux Klan, yet another Masonic offshoot , patronized by the Pontifus Maxima of Freemasonry ….Albert Pike. These phallic hats were always used during torture /initiation ceremonies.Many of these hats had “bells’ adorned on them.Bell,Bel,Bale,Baal,Baalarama…..are all the philiogical extentions of Bal,Balim…the same fertility God of the ancients.The bell is a phallic emblem, in which the (male,lingum,phallus) GONG hits the (female,receptacle,arkite,yoni) DOME of the bell to “create ” or rather “procreate” sound. A sex magic votive contrapment….Male in Female, Female in Male….trinity in unity, unity in trinity sex magic.

We see the joker juggles balls, just like the Lord of the seven celestial heavens…IAO,SABBOATH,ADONI,ELSHADDAI. The God of the heavenly spheres.

Silence remains an integral part of “Clownhood “.The silent entertainer and menacer.
“Silence is the voice of God” Manly.P Hall

The joker is capable of rapidly oscillating behaviors , quickly changing dispositions…another emblem of the fiery Dionysus and Shiva.Many Joker attires have either the masonic checker board symbolism , or two different color/pattern sets on the right/left side of the body….which represents the dualism of Deity.

The joker “puts up a show” for the entertainment of the masses as the demiurge puts up his grand show to his creatures.The joker utilizes tricks and deceptions to please and torment the crowd , just like God utilizes deceptions and cruelties to run the business of the cosmos.The joker sometimes gets trapped in a box or a bag , but manages to free himself and “come back”.Jack in the box.

Jokers love pranks. These “pranks” are an integral part of initiations in many a mystic and alchemical discreet societies.These pranks border on the absurd and the horrid.As per wikipedia
“The most ancient clowns have been found in the fifth dynasty of Egypt around 2400 BC (4412 years back) and traditionally the role of the Priest and Clown were held by the same person.”

The “Shriners” , a mystical -islamic-masonic body ,have a penchant for dressing up as clowns and driving stock red cars for the entertainment of the crowds.For the masses , it seems these old men have “lost it” by acting like clowns in this part of their age, not realizing that for the adepts of Shriner Masonry, this is them acting as God, being as God and dressing up as God.A form of ritual and worship.

Now the uncanny…….
Many people register fear in the presence of Jokers, a condition known as “Coulrophobia” as per DSM-IV.As per researchers “clowns are universally disliked by children in all countries”.This is in line with the Dionysus/shiva archetype , a deity capable of immense pleasure , but at the same time also capable of absurd levels of grotesque barbarity.

Red hair , is the mark of Shiva and Dionysus. The celtic druids specifically sacrificed red haired people on “BELTANE” feasts on their sacred altars.Shiva was always represented as a Deity with curly, matted red hair.Kurt Cobain should have known that before he “dyed” his hair and “died”.

Unfortunately whoever plays the Jester God, will eventually have to meet the Jester Gods fate.Either it be Health Ledger,Dionysus,Bacchus,Adonis….the mutilation, sacrifice and death of God or God incarnate in man is the order of the day.Good thing Jack Nicholson had signed up for the 1989 batman movie with a strict contract of box office receipts. Sacrificing him , would have been a nightmare for the studios.According to Jack Nicholson he had “warned ” Heath Ledger about the role and all that comes with it….

Beyond the MK Ultra, Patsy, mind controlled Drone cover story , lies a deep metaphysical and occult understanding, a synchronicity of sorts, A macrocosmic jester deity and a microcosmic jester man doing the absurd.A mystical alchemical representation, which only the wise can see and fathom.

The representation of God , in the archetype of the Jester Deity , Shiva /Dionysus “the one who likes to play tricks”

JACK IN THE BOX
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Re: Aurora CO Theater Massacre

Postby compared2what? » Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:02 am

8bitagent wrote:
RocketMan wrote:



Witness states someone let Holmes in the theater after receiving phone call.



That is probably the single biggest anomaly besides what this kid was studying. Surprised more hasnt been made of it.


I don't know. It's just the one witness, as far as I can see. He doesn't in fact state that he saw someone let Holmes into the theater in any of the three interviews with him I've watched so far. (The one above; what looks like it's probably his first account here; ]and here.)

And he shifts some pretty key details around every time he tells the story -- which is totally understandable, considering what he just went through, obviously. But still. In his (I-think) first interview, Holmes comes in as soon as the movie starts. In the other two, it's either ten, fifteen, or twenty minutes later. He's pretty damn young (apparently still in high school, the poor kid).

And (to me, the insurmountable obstacle) in the clip posted by RocketMan above, he says (paraphrase) that after he saw the (maybe) accomplice at the exit door, he himself left the theater, then returned, and then saw Holmes coming in the same door. So, you know. Maybe the guy on the phone sat back down leaving the door closed and locked. Then Holmes exited through it leaving it open before returning. (Or whatever.)

The main reason I'm posting is just to say that if there was any justice in this world, the anchor he's talking to in that CNN interview (my second link; I mean, this one here) would have been fired instantly for the last thirty or forty seconds of that clip.

Maybe sooner. There oughtta be a law. Etc.
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