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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby Lord Balto » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:34 pm

slimmouse » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:31 pm wrote:When a Boeing 777 goes missing for more than a week, then something is clearly wrong with any of the mainstream take on this.

This opinon is my own 2 cents of course, but essentially Im arguing that anything official you're hearing from anywhere is little more than a lot of crappola.

Im naturally open to reappraisal, yet nothing Ive seen or heard on this thread thus far would yet convince me otherwise.

Other than the suggestion perhaps that LB is right, and the entire "surveillance state" apparatus is nothing like as sophisticated as it is claimed to be.

Which is of course something of a contradiction to the Snowden revelations.


Keep in mind that there's a big difference between vacuuming up all of the world's electronic communications and actually finding and analyzing the ones that are relevant to an investigation, even with the best of algorithms (there's another of those pesky Arabic words :shock2: ).

I read somewhere, can't really document it, that 80% of the cameras on London streets don't work, despite the wonderful help they provide in British detective dramas. It seems that buying cameras is quite sexy and gets the politicians lots of coverage, whereas maintaining them isn't very sexy and gets the politicos no coverage at all.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby Lord Balto » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:53 pm

Ben D » Sun Mar 23, 2014 5:26 pm wrote:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/23/mh370-poor-visibility-indian-ocean-search-effort

Flight MH370: French and Chinese satellite images show 'potential objects'

Australian PM Tony Abbott says there is 'increasing hope' as search plane identifies wooden pallet and strapping belts in Indian Ocean

Images taken by Chinese and French satellites and separate sightings of scattered debris have become the focus of the search in the Indian Ocean for missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

On Sunday Malaysia said new French satellite images showed "potential objects" related to the flight in the seas off Australia.

"This morning, Malaysia received new satellite images from the French authorities showing potential objects in the vicinity of the southern corridor," the Malaysian Transport Ministry said in a statement. "Malaysia immediately relayed these images to the Australian rescue co-ordination centre."

The statement gave no details about whether the objects were in the same vicinity as the other possible finds in a vast swathe of some of the most inhospitable sea territory on Earth.

On Saturday images taken on 18 March by a Chinese satellite were released, appearing to show an object measuring 22 metres by 13 metres about 1,550km (960 miles) south-west of Perth. The release of the images coincided with an update from the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (Amsa) late on Saturday that a number of small objects had been visually identified by one of the search planes.


Someone is awfully determined to "find" the plane in the southern Indian Ocean no matter what the evidence for a northerly route, including the final radar tracking of the flight. I'm trying to avoid jumping to conclusions about Western involvement, but I must say, this jumping at every floating piece of garbage is starting to wear a little thin. I'm waiting for the Australian Air Force to find the seat from an Avenger torpedo bomber.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby solace » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:35 pm

The captain of missing Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 received a two-minute call shortly before take-off from a mystery woman using a mobile phone number obtained under a false identity.

It was one of the last calls made to or from the mobile of Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah in the hours before his Boeing 777 left Kuala Lumpur 16 days ago.

Investigators are treating it as potentially significant because anyone buying a pay-as-you-go SIM card in Malaysia has to fill out a form giving their identity card or passport number.

Introduced as an anti-terrorism measure following 9/11, this ensures that every number is registered to a traceable person.

But in this case police traced the number to a shop selling SIM cards in Kuala Lumpur.

They found that it had been bought ‘very recently’ by someone who gave a woman’s name – but was using a false identity.

The discovery raises fears of a possible link between Captain Zaharie, 53, and terror groups whose members routinely use untraceable SIM cards.

Everyone else who spoke to the pilot on his phone in the hours before the flight took off has already been interviewed.

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In a separate development, The Mail on Sunday has learned that investigators are now poised to question Captain Shah’s estranged wife in detail.

They have waited two weeks out of respect, but will now begin formally interviewing Faizah Khan following pressure from FBI agents assisting the inquiry.

Although the couple – who have three children – were separated, they had been living under the same roof.

A source said: ‘Faizah has been spoken to gently by officers but she has not been questioned in detail to establish her husband’s behaviour and state of mind in the days leading to the incident.

‘This is partly for cultural reasons. It is not considered appropriate in Malaysia to subject people in situations of terrible bereavement to the stress of intensive questioning.’

The softly-softly approach has been challenged by the team of FBI agents working with Malaysian police. They have pointed out that she may hold ‘vital clues and information’ to Zaharie’s mental state.

‘The whole world is looking for this missing plane and the person who arguably knows most about the state of mind of the man who captained the plane is being left alone,’ said a source close to the FBI team.

The source added: ‘If we want to eliminate the chief pilot from the inquiry, we must interview her in detail to find out what his state of mind was.’

The mystery caller emerged when Malaysian investigators examined the phone records of both Zaharie and his co-pilot, 27-year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid.

Investigators were keen to trace the caller and interview them, although they have stressed that the fact the SIM card was registered to a non-existent ID card does not necessarily indicate a criminal or terrorist connection.

Political activists in Malaysia sometimes use SIM cards bought with bogus identity cards if they fear that their phones may be bugged by the country’s authoritarian ruling party.


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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:51 pm

So desperate for answers, the media is now taking seriously and exploring every theory thrown onto the interweb.

Here's CNN taking a serious look at the shadow theory
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video ... y.cnn.html

Funny, you sure as fuck wouldnt see this kind of theorizing in the aftermath of a terror attack.

Also for shits and giggles, curious what "former insider" blowhard Wayne Madsen has to say. Or Tarpley


seemslikeadream » Sun Mar 23, 2014 7:44 am wrote:and what about 82....he started it....


what do you do with a thread about an airplane anyway?


It's my theory as to what happened to the plane...it fell in the foggy dew...and I'm sticking to it....no highjack :tongout

everybody's got their right to have an opinion


Foul play never made sense to me, least on the pilot's end, and it felt like desperate grasping at whatever in the Malaysian authorities pointing to the pilot's support of a jailed political leader.
Not a single friend, family, co-worker or person within the capacity of knowing the pilot/s has indicated anything troubling about them.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby DrEvil » Sun Mar 23, 2014 10:50 pm

Lord Balto » Sun Mar 23, 2014 6:10 pm wrote:
0_0 » Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:39 am wrote:Yeah sorry, I thought it would give a zoom in option, here is the direct link: http://i58.tinypic.com/2pt4fhs.png I'm not even sure what it means, someone linked it in soulseek chat. Probably just a hoax or soemthing, but it looks intresting.


Someone is going to a lot of trouble to generate noise. The British Indian Ocean Territory is nowhere near the ping track.


Or the internet is full of trolls. :shock:
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby Ben D » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:04 am

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/03/23/australian-maritime-safety-authority-reports-10-aircraft-searching-from-debris-from-malaysian-alirlines-flight-mh370/

Australian Maritime Safety Authority reports 10 aircraft searching for debris from Malaysian Alirlines Flight MH370

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24th March, 2014: 11am (AEDT)

Ten aircraft are involved in today’s search for Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. Two Chinese military aircraft departed about 8.45am and 9.20am respectively. A RAAF P3 Orion departed for the search area just after 9am.

Two ultra-long range civil jets departed about 10.10am and 10.30am respectively. A second RAAF P3 Orion is scheduled to depart about 11am.

A third ultra-long range jet is scheduled to depart about midday.

A US Navy P8 Poseidon aircraft is scheduled to depart about 1pm. The two Japanese P3 Orion aircraft are scheduled to depart after 4pm.

Media Note: Updated search area charts are now available in AMSA’s media kit for this search. These can be accessed at the following link under Day 7 search area charts: http://www.amsa.gov.au/media/incidents/mh370-search.asp

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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 24, 2014 9:40 am

We still don't know what we're doing. It's the tragic and lovely thing about humans, that we often believe we have a grasp, that we have control, even when we have constant reminders that it's an illusion.

Reminders of How Small We Are: MH370 and Justin Casquejo
You can bet that there will be a movie made about 16-year-old Justin Casquejo. When the kid from Weehawken, New Jersey (the town where Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton dueled to the death), got to the top of the unopened 1 World Trade Center in order to take photos to post to Twitter, he was following an impulse that in other times made people conquer mountains and rivers, doing the impossible for the first time. Imagine the view he had, alone, at the very end of night, at the very beginning of sunrise, on top of the tallest building in the country. He also demonstrated, probably unwittingly, just how tenuous, how permeable, how human our belief in security is.

If you've been to the 9/11 Memorial, you know that you have to pass through ridiculous levels of security. If you came in from New Jersey on the PATH train, you no doubt walked past soldiers armed with rifles. You had to get your ticket in advance in order for someone to check if your name is on any watch list. You had to go through a metal detector and a possible pat-down. While you were walking around the cascading pools, you couldn't help but see all the guards and police. This place, you are shown in absolutely certain terms, will not be attacked again, at least not by someone on foot. Apparently, though, not so much for the construction site that's still up around the nearly-complete skyscraper.

Often we must learn a simple lesson through violence - that schools aren't built to prevent shootings, that airplanes can be taken over with razor blades - and then we react and believe we have come up with a way to keep us safe. But, as further violence demonstrates, that safety, security in a larger sense, is a lie.

What Justin Casquejo did in the innocent, adolescent, brave, and stupid act of sneaking through a fence was to show us how meaningless our security apparatus is, how we've given over so much of our freedom to a fraud, to a thin veneer of protection that was punctured by a kid with a camera. It was, in its way, the gentlest act of terrorism one could commit. We are one sleeping guard away from anarchy. And it should be humbling not just to those who are supposed to keep us safe, but to all of us. By scaling the tower, Casquejo brought us to earth.

An even greater humbling is occurring in the search for Malaysian Airlines Flight 370. It is, without a doubt, an unendurably awful vigil for the families of the 239 passengers and crew. Putting aside the ghoulish news network coverage of the search, let us instead see the inability to find a large jet plane as a moment for sublime wonder along with the very real suffering of very real people. The loss of a plane filled with electronics and devices that are supposed to make it near-impossible to lose is another kind of humbling, another demonstration of our limits.

We live, we are told, in a shrinking world, a world where data and technology are erasing old barriers to knowledge and to understanding, to the distance between people. But sometimes an event occurs that shows us just how huge and mysterious the planet actually is. In a time when Google Earth can let us see individual trees in an African jungle, when one can go thousands of miles in a few hours of flying, the fact that hundreds of people and a large object can disappear reinstills a long-gone sense of awe at the immensity of the world, especially of the oceans. Imagine this for a moment, too: We might not find Flight 370, perhaps not in our lifetimes, perhaps not ever, because the earth is just that big.

That's the takeaway from this: We still don't know what we're doing. It's the tragic and lovely thing about humans, that we often believe we have a grasp, that we have control, even when we have constant reminders that it's an illusion.



CNN Has Lost Its Goddamned Mind
Weary and rain-soaked, the Rude Pundit trudged into his flat last night close to 10 and, as is his way, lit a joint and turned on CNN to see if they had found the goddamn plane yet. There was a panel of, oh, hell, let's say 6 people, all talking to ostensible "newsman" Don Lemon. The first thing he heard was a correspondent for the network, Richard Quest, actually ask a guest, "It may seem an odd question, but I know these people have been used in murder investigations on many, many occasions." Then Dick Quest read a something from Radiotweek on Twitter, who is obviously who you turn to for reliable news. "'Investigators sometimes use psychics. Why hasn't anyone considered the services of a credible psychic specializing in missing persons?' I mean, it sounds incredible, but they have been used before."

You get this, right? A supposed journalist asked Jeff Wise, an aviation expert and scientist, why not use someone who thinks that ghosts talk to them or tarot cards or sky energy or whatever the fuck to find a very real plane with very real people on it? A plane that's way more than likely decorating Bikini Bottom right now? Yeah, let's ask every con artist and all the people who hear voices in their head what's going on. Why the fuck not? We got 24 hours to kill and nothing even remotely like news about the fate of Flight 370 to report.

Wise answered, "I think it's difficult to find a credible psychic," which is shorthand for "Are you fucking kidding me, you miserable excuse for a reporter? Let's just break out the Ouija board?"

But, oh, CNN was not done. A couple of minutes later, Lemon brought out more tweets in order to say, "Whether it was hijacking or terrorism or mechanical failure or pilot error, but what if it was something fully that we don't really understand? A lot of people have been asking about that, about black holes and on and on and on and all of these conspiracy theories. Let's look at this. Noha said, 'What else can you think? Black hole? Bermuda triangle?'" And then Deji says, 'Just like the movie 'Lost."'"

Okay, Lemmywinks, if you're relying on someone who doesn't realize that Lost was a TV show, you're scraping under the barrel for the goo that's dripping from it. Sorry, Noha and Deji, for spoiling your moment in the dying sun of cable news.

But, wait, he continued, "And of course, it's also -- they're also referencing The Twilight Zone, which has a very similar plot. That's what people are saying." People are also saying it's the Illuminati in cahoots with, fuck, let's say Mossad and, why not, the Masons. And what episode of Twilight Zone? The one where the plane was an illusion? Or the one where it went back to dinosaur times? Or are you saying it was gremlins? Was it gremlins? Do we need to get a psychic to talk to the gremlins with her mind? Goddamnit, where is Medium when you need her?

Lemon was quizzing Mary Schiavo, former inspector general of the United States, about black holes, Bermuda Triangles, islands where everyone is dead (except they're not, but maybe they are; goddamnit, that was a waste of six years), and gremlins. "I know it's preposterous," Lemon scoffed, then added quickly, "but is it preposterous, do you think, Mary?"

Schiavo looked like Lemon had asked her if she spits or swallows as she said, "A small black hole would suck in our entire universe. So we know it's not that. The Bermuda triangle is often weather, and Lost is a TV show." She then laid down some science: "I always like things for which there's data, history, crunch the numbers. So for me those aren't there." It would have been beautiful if she had just said, "Yes" and then stared at Lemon like he had just grown a boob on his forehead.

Does Don Lemon really want to be known as the Black Hole Guy? 'Cause he should be.

"Is CNN high?" the Rude Pundit wondered aloud and high. It's the kind of thing that you'd talk about sitting around with your stoned friends, passing a bong: "Dude, it's fuckin' wormholes. The plane is in another dimension, man. They're never gonna find it. It's up to the passengers to find the right wormhole to get home." Then someone would go on about aliens, someone else would chime in that it's now a ghost plane, a Flying Malasianman, perhaps, and finally someone would bring up how Ron Paul wants to legalize drugs and the whole conversation would be worthless.

The obsession CNN has with this story (which is all about ratings - it's the first time anyone's paid any attention to CNN in a long damn time) borders on psychopathic. Check out this partial list of yesterday's transcripts:

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That's an entire day spent on nothing (with a brief diversion for something something Israel). Right now, Ashleigh Banfield is asking some dude about the scattering of debris and what if the floating thing near Australia is a shipping container or part of the plane (spoiler: It's probably a shipping container). CNN has become your crazy cousin who sits in the corner and rocks back and forth, muttering the same thing over and over.

Of course, there's always an upside to madness:
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby NeonLX » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:23 am

Richard Quest? Seriously??

They really are just fvcking with us, aren't they.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby RocketMan » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:45 am

Apparently debris has been discovered near Perth, Australia.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-paci ... 33737.html

Malaysian Prime Minister Najib Razak has informed the families of those missing on flight MH370 that the plane likely crashed in the Indian Ocean west of Perth.

Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 vanished from civilian radar screens less than an hour after take-off from Kuala Lumpur for Beijing with 239 people on board on March 8.

No confirmed sighting of the plane has been made since, but much debris has been found in remote waters off Australia which might be part of the missing plane.

Malaysian Airlines said on Monday it was now "beyond any reasonable doubt" that missing flight MH370 had been lost and there were no survivors.

"Malaysia Airlines have already spoken to the families of the passengers and crew to inform them of this development," said the prime minister.

"For them, the past few weeks have been heartbreaking; I know this news must be harder still.

"I urge the media to respect their privacy, and to allow them the space they need at this difficult time."

Statement by Najib Razak:

This evening I was briefed by representatives from the UK Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB). They informed me that Inmarsat, the UK company that provided the satellite data which indicated the northern and southern corridors, has been performing further calculations on the data. Using a type of analysis never before used in an investigation of this sort, they have been able to shed more light on MH370’s flight path.

Based on their new analysis, Inmarsat and the AAIB have concluded that MH370 flew along the southern corridor, and that its last position was in the middle of the Indian Ocean, west of Perth.

This is a remote location, far from any possible landing sites. It is therefore with deep sadness and regret that I must inform you that, according to this new data, flight MH370 ended in the southern Indian Ocean.

We will be holding a press conference tomorrow with further details. In the meantime, we wanted to inform you of this new development at the earliest opportunity. We share this information out of a commitment to openness and respect for the families, two principles which have guided this investigation.

Malaysia Airlines have already spoken to the families of the passengers and crew to inform them of this development. For them, the past few weeks have been heartbreaking; I know this news must be harder still. I urge the media to respect their privacy, and to allow them the space they need at this difficult time.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby beeblebrox » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:06 pm

We can all relax now, British aerospace experts have confirmed the plane crashed into the southern Indian Ocean. I for one am relieved the UK is taking the lead on this one.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby elfismiles » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:34 pm

more weird bits from CLG newsletters ... some of which sounds suspiciously similar to Sorcha Faal stuff ...

Transcript of final 54 minutes from MH370 flight deck begs question: Was it STOLEN in two minutes of 'dead space?' 22 Mar 2014 Missing flight MH370 could have been stolen in 'dead space' as it passed from Malaysian to Vietnamese air traffic control, supposed transcripts of its last known hour claim. The moment the jet veered westwards was at the point of handover, according to the leaked document - when it could have been invisible to ground control, making the timing perfect for hijack. Former British Airways pilot Stephen Buzdygan said: 'If I was going to steal the aeroplane, that would be the point I would do it'. But today Malaysia's defence minister slammed the transcript as inaccurate and said the real version 'does not indicate anything abnormal'.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... MH370.html

Did somebody doctor photo of men who took Flight MH370? Fears of a cover-up amid claims pictures show passengers with the same set of legs --Both men pictured boarded missing Flight 370 with stolen passports 23 Mar 2014 Fears of a cover-up over the fate of flight MH370 grew yesterday after claims that a photo of two passengers was tampered with. Images of two men who boarded the Malaysian Airlines jet with stolen passports appear to show them having the same set of legs. CCTV footage stills released by officials three days after the Boeing 777-200 vanished from the skies shows the pair with identical green trousers and brown shoes. Their feet and shadows are also in the same position, while their faces, T-shirts and bags are different. The photo last night fuelled conspiracy theories over the fate of the aircraft, which disappeared with 239 passengers and crew more than a fortnight ago.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -legs.html

MH370: Plane turned, dropped to 12,000 feet - report 23 Mar 2014 Military radar tracking Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 shows that the aircraft changed altitude after making a sharp turn over the South China Sea as it headed toward the Strait of Malacca, a source close to the investigation into the missing flight told CNN. The plane flew as low as 12,000 feet at some point before it disappeared from radar, according to the source. The sharp turn seemed to be intentional, the source said. The official, who is not authorized to speak to the media, told CNN that the area the plane flew in after the turn is a heavily trafficked air corridor and that flying at 12,000 feet would have kept the jet well out of the way of that traffic.
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/23/world ... index.html

MH370 Theory: Suspicious Cargo Destroyed in Massive Explosion Near 1945 Nuclear Bomb Test Site 22 Mar 2014 The Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) is reporting today that the "highly suspicious" cargo retrieved by the US from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that had been "disappeared" to one of the United States most secretive bases in the Indian Ocean, Diego Garcia, was flown this past week to the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico where it was then destroyed in a "massive fireball." Flight 370, it is important to note, was already under GRU "surveillance" after it received a "highly suspicious" cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama. What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama was that within 24-hours of its off-loading this "highly suspicious" cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained [former] US Navy SEALs assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under "suspicious circumstances."
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2-us-securi ... eychelles/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2-ex-navy-s ... olice-say/

Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370: Suspected debris 'may have sunk' 21 Mar 2014 Suspected debris spotted in the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines plane 'may have sunk', Australia's deputy prime minister has said. An international search for the missing Boeing 777 resumed this morning in one of the most remote places on Earth after satellite images detected potential wreckage. Search planes flying deep into the southern Indian Ocean have found nothing so far that could be from the missing jet, said Australian deputy prime minister Warren Truss.
http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/21/flight-mh ... n-4671492/
http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/20/flight-mh ... n-4665062/
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby Lord Balto » Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:31 pm

beeblebrox » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:06 pm wrote:We can all relax now, British aerospace experts have confirmed the plane crashed into the southern Indian Ocean. I for one am relieved the UK is taking the lead on this one.


You're being ironic, right?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby Lord Balto » Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:36 pm

I'm beginning to understand why they floated the mangosteen story. No parts with traceable part numbers will ever be found, but "Yes, we've got lots of mangosteens today." Sung to the tune of "Yes, we've got no bananas."
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby Lord Balto » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:04 pm

elfismiles » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:34 pm wrote:more weird bits from CLG newsletters ... some of which sounds suspiciously similar to Sorcha Faal stuff ...
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You can't figure out that this is from The Daily Mail and just reprinted in CLG? Seriously?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines plane missing over Vietnam

Postby elfismiles » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:08 pm

You can't figure out that the article I was referring to was this one:

The Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) is reporting today that the “highly suspicious” cargo retrieved by the US from Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 that had been “disappeared” to one of the United States most secretive bases in the Indian Ocean, Diego Garcia, was flown this past week to the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico where it was then destroyed in a “massive fireball.”

http://greatgameindia.wordpress.com/201 ... test-site/


... seriously?

Lord Balto » 24 Mar 2014 20:04 wrote:
elfismiles » Mon Mar 24, 2014 1:34 pm wrote:more weird bits from CLG newsletters ... some of which sounds suspiciously similar to Sorcha Faal stuff ...
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You can't figure out that this is from The Daily Mail and just reprinted in CLG? Seriously?
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