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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:35 am

Nordic » 13 Jan 2015 16:13 wrote:One thing I'm trying to figure out is this: exactly when did CNN and Anderson Cooper (the CIA's very own) get to Paris? How did they get there so fast? Were they already there, waiting for this to happen?

I'm not sure yet, but it seems they got there damn quick:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-coo ... -american/

As the multiple hostage situations were unfolding in France just before 12 noon ET hour earlier today, CNN’s Anderson Cooper and Chris Cuomo were on the ground in Paris, giving viewers live updates with the relatively little concrete information they had to dispense. Cuomo was talking about one of the suspects holding hostages in the Paris kosher supermarket and referred to him as an “African-American man.”


I'm having a hard time finding corroborating evidence of this, but I'm not that great of a googler. Anyone know a way to see when exactly Anderson Cooper started reporting from Paris?


Its possible they're still in the states pretending to be in Paris. Media organisations do that sort of shit all the time. Mentally they are for sure - "African American man" yeah right. Do some Americans understand there is a world outside the US?
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby jingofever » Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:57 am

France might get its very own Patriot Act. A trial balloon seems to have been floated.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:34 am

So every French person is crying out "I Am Charlie!" ...right, that's why the newspaper was just about to file bankrupt see-ya-bye-bye, and whose readership was by their own account about 30,000 readers.
(I had a webcomic a decade ago online that had more readers at one point) Now as a life long cartoonist and as the son of a cartoonist, why am I making light of this? Because...don't you guys see it?
This was not a false flag by French intel or Israel...but by the people financially behind Charlie Hebdo to bring readership up to the sky!

...I kid.

Here's an aspect noone talks about: Why is it these western attacks are getting smaller and smaller yet the media and public pretends it's just as big as 9/11?
9/11= 3000 dead. 3/11/2004 Madrid = over 200 dead. 7/7/2005 London = over 50 dead. And Paris 1/7? 12 dead. Or I guess including the Kosher deli, 16 dead.
And the seriousness and quality of these jihadis is going down.


Meanwhile you have Anders Breivik, probably the most psychopathic, un-apolagetic, ruthless terrorist of the modern era to strike Europe in such a massive way...and he got a slap on the wrist in Norway's penal system
and very few dare call it a terror attack since he's not a Muslim.

Meanwhile, massive casualty bomb terror attacks by Islamists is happening all the time, killing hundreds-thousands; yet it doesn't count since....none of the victims are white.


*EDIT* I will agree Charlie Hebdo attacked everyone. Hell they attacked Israel for the treatment of Palestinians, so hilarious to see that smug butcher Benny "9/11 was good for America" Netanyahu joining in the "I am Charlie" march.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby stefano » Tue Jan 13, 2015 3:34 am

Hunter wrote:I love how they ALWAYS mention "so so and wasnt too interested in Islam until they met such and such SPIRTUAL LEADER."

Those are the guys I am interested in. I believe many of those radical imams are the assets working for the intel services.


Those imams work for the commanders of the jihadist networks, who are usually also involved in smuggling and extortion (and who often have intelligence links, but just as often, I believe, a tacit understanding of which kinds of operations will be allowed to succeed and which won't). They know who to target for recruitment - it's typically young men who've dabbled in petty crime (existing resentment against the State), who grew up with absent fathers (strong need for a relationship with a sympathetic older man) and who have very little real grounding in Islam (easily accept the slogan-rich and theology-poor jihadist teachings). The cell leaders get their foot soldiers and the imams get protection and a bit of local fame, which is what they want. The Islamist side of things is often really an afterthought, the guys join to be part of some bigger thing and for a sense of family.

I'm just reading a great book called La sale guerre (The dirty war) by Habib Souaidia, about the way Algeria's intelligence services encouraged, exacerbated, falsely blamed and sometimes directly managed the Islamist insurgency there in the 1990s. Very good - those interested might want to read the English version of the preface by Ferdinando Imposimato, an Italian judge who was involved with the (partial, I suppose) dismantling of the NATO-Mafia networks in Italy and who draws the parallels between Algeria and the strategy of tension in his own country. Here's a good bit:

Ferdinando Imposimato wrote:Historians have taught us that great history is born out of great ideological, religious, political and unionist movements, by the evolution of social classes, of societies and states, by struggles of which they are at the same time the protagonists and the expression. History is not the work of small plots or large conspiracies - the theory of universal conspiracy is a reductive and unacceptable vision of history.

Even so the world has changed radically during the last half century. Behind the scenes, the hidden powers, with their international connections, have played a crucial role. Being aware of this does not mean returning to a reductionist vision of the evolution of society, but simply one must take into consideration, in the reading of these events, this historical variable of invisible power. For this power does not hesitate to use terrorism, both that of the opposition which it allows to develop, indeed manipulates, and that of the state so often disguised in order for it to be attributed to the subversive forces of opposition.

It is often also the case that the actors of the different forms of invisible power penetrate each other. Subversive movements get tangled up with the state secret services and the circles of politico-military power and in corruption or organised criminal mafia groups. As Habib Souaidia's account shows, the history of these last years in Algeria is full of episodes that demonstrate this overlap of underground channels, which always end up as some sort of transportation route between the groups. At certain moments opposing interests happen to coincide. At the end of the book one discovers that a number of the protagonists from both camps of the 'dirty war', who hold the greatest responsibility for the strategy of tension, became wealthy untouchable oligarchies.

Although there are important differences, from this point of view the Italian example can be enlightening. In 1981 a parliamentary commission called upon to reach a decision on the P2 masonic lodge spoke explicitly of 'invisible power'. In describing the power structure, the commission outlined the existence of two symmetrical pyramids, one lower pyramid with which we are familiar, and another higher pyramid of which we are unaware. This is the secret power, constituted of those very same actors who manage power not only outside of the institutions, but also by means of the institutions. The logic of the world which pivots around this secret power - I always cite the commission of 1981 - is located beyond the threshold of the comprehension of common mortals.

In this troubled world there coexists a legal level, composed of politicians, bankers, media bosses, entrepreneurs, usurers, service providers, civil servants, and an illegal militarised level, where one finds mafias, terrorists and mercenaries. The latter constitute the armed wing of the first level.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby 8bitagent » Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:43 am

Yesterday it was reported that the IP of the "ISIS hack" on Centcom twitter and youtube was traced to Maryland
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /21640577/

Now this...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/ ... 3?irpc=932

U.S. intelligence agency joins Twitter, hours before military account hacked

WASHINGTON Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:54pm EST

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(Reuters) - There was surely no irony intended, but a new U.S. counterintelligence agency joined Twitter on Monday, just hours before news of the hacking of U.S. military Twitter and YouTube accounts.

"The National Counterintelligence and Security Center (NCSC) joins Twitter...we've said too much already!" tweeted the agency in its inaugural posting earlier on Monday.

The agency was formed late last year by U.S. Director of National Intelligence James Clapper "to effectively integrate and align counterintelligence and security mission areas, and carry out counterintelligence and security responsibilities under a single organizational construct."

In the hours after the agency's inaugural tweet, Pentagon officials said social media feeds for U.S. Central Command had been hacked by people claiming sympathy with the Islamic State militant group being targeted in American bombing raids.

Central Command oversees U.S. military operations in the Middle East. U.S. officials said its Twitter feed and YouTube accounts were suspended after being compromised.

But the world of social media keeps spinning. As of late Monday afternoon, the new NCSC Twitter account had amassed more than 1,200 followers.


It'd be hilarious if someone hacked all the US govt networks at once using a twitter handle "Angel is Next", ba dum chum. Hey maybe have the IP bounce back to venice florida or quincy mass.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby coffin_dodger » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:22 am

‘JE SUIS HYPOCRITE’: Enemies of Press Freedom Hijack ‘Charlie’ in Paris 21stcenturywire.com 12 Jan 2014

Sunday’s impressive “Anti-Terror Rally”, lauded by the global media as an ‘unprecedented show of solidarity’ wasn’t meant to look awkward, but it did. The million-strong crowds were impressive, as were the variety of people who made it out to the event. Unfortunately, our televisions, newspapers and websites were more interested in plastering the eerily contrived image of our 50 ‘world leaders’, with arms locked “in an act solidarity”, in support of “the fallen” at French political cartoon magazine Charlie Hebdo.

cont - http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/01/12/je-suis-hypocrite-enemies-of-press-freedom-march-for-charlie-in-paris/
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby stefano » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:36 am

The four Jewish victims of the supermarket siege have been buried in Jerusalem, under the Israeli flag, with Netanyahu delivering a eulogy even though as far as I can tell none was Israeli and only one had links to Israel (family living there). One was Tunisian. Pressure on the families? Could just be a religious thing about Jerusalem itself, but the Israeli State angle is really ghoulish.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:34 am

Nordic » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:13 am wrote:One thing I'm trying to figure out is this: exactly when did CNN and Anderson Cooper (the CIA's very own) get to Paris? How did they get there so fast? Were they already there, waiting for this to happen?


It's plausible.

Six hour difference between Paris and NY, so if the attacks started at 11:30 CET, that's 5:30 am EST.

Then again, I don't know how long it would take to reach Paris, but I seem to recall flights to EU are quicker than flights back, due to some crazy theory about Earth spinning in space.

Anderson Cooper ain't exactly flying coach with the rest of the plebs.

CNN must have more than a few private planes for such endeavors, yeah?
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby Hunter » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:43 am

Very nice post, thank you Stefano, it sounds very close to what I suspected.
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Postby elfismiles » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:05 am

This sounds really good Stefano. Wish there was an English translated version available...

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stefano » 13 Jan 2015 07:34 wrote:I'm just reading a great book called La sale guerre (The dirty war) by Habib Souaidia, about the way Algeria's intelligence services encouraged, exacerbated, falsely blamed and sometimes directly managed the Islamist insurgency there in the 1990s. Very good - those interested might want to read the English version of the preface by Ferdinando Imposimato, an Italian judge who was involved with the (partial, I suppose) dismantling of the NATO-Mafia networks in Italy and who draws the parallels between Algeria and the strategy of tension in his own country.
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Postby 82_28 » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:48 am



YEP! All I can say really is "yep". The patriot act wasn't meant only for us americans. It's a motherfucking TEMPLATE to get rolled out/introduced elsewhere. Americans were simultanously stupid and yet the BEACON of freedom -- "snap". You could roll with it either way. That actually was the genius.
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Re: Gun attack on French magazine Charlie Hebdo kills 11

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:50 am

Nordic » Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:02 am wrote:
NaturalMystik » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:25 am wrote:Just caught a video which alleges that the cop was not shot in the head on the sidewalk. The narrator makes an interesting point. It doesn't seem like there was a headshot, but I don't know enough about how bullets work, so....

Anyway, apologies if it's already been mentioned, as I didn't notice it.




Sorry but this is bullshit.

I will admit that my very first reaction to the footage, which I just happened to see very soon after the news of this went out, and before there was any censoring, was the same as these guys (and there are more of these videos floating around the internet, although I've seen this particular one the most), and that it sure sorta looked like the bullet missed the cop's head and that the cop then either played dead, or passed out, or something.

Ironically, when the footage is played back slowly, it's clear what is going on:

What they call a "bullet hit" on the sidewalk is in fact not a bullet hit at all. If you look, the gun is actually pointing right at the cop's head when you see this blast onto the sidewalk, and the blast itself is not a bullet, but is air. It is the shock wave of air that makes the BANG that hits your eardrum. When a bullet exits a gun barrel, there is a tremendous burst of air with it, that is why there is such a noise. That is what you are seeing at the ground, and in fact it is a partial arc of a circle that would be from the circular pattern of the blast of air. (this is how silencers work, but sucking up all that blast of air so that the shock wave of air disappears into the silencer and doesn't make it out into the world).

As far as caliber of the gun, it DOES matter. A small bullet makes a small entry wound. In fact, an entry would is usually the same size as the bullet. It's the exit wound where things get nasty. And from this angle, and because we don't know exactly where in the head or neck the cop got hit, it makes plenty of sense that we don't see the exit wound, or its affects. The affects of an exit wound are unpredictable, as anyone who has hunted and killed animals knows.

We're all conditioned by movies to see a tremendous splatter of blood and/or gore when somebody gets shot in the head. That's not necessarily how things work. If you look at a lot of bodies from war zones, or from terrorist strikes (and I include "terrorist" strikes as those used in, say, Ukraine by the Kiev government) sometimes a body is just lying there with no visible signs of death, or sometimes just a trickle of blood pooling under the body.

So watching this video, and studying it, it becomes clear that there is absolutely no reason to assume that the killing is fake, or staged, or that the bullet missed the cop's head, or all the things that are claimed. In fact, it's pretty silly once you study the video.

But it sure seems that this is turning into disinformation, whether intentional or not, as I've seen this video posted a LOT on Facebook today.

And again, as so many people have mentioned, like WR, who the fuck shot this video, why haven't they been identified and all over the news (even anonymously, it would be a hell of a feature story on the "news", right?) and why were they there???


Thanks for that, Nordic, it's worth reprinting in full. The murdered cop had a wife and two children. His brother has also been prominently quoted in the French press. It's absurd to suggest he wasn't killed (as if his colleagues, too, and his friends, and his Muslim co-religionists, would have nothing to say about a massive plot to pretend he was dead).

This is not to criticise anyone for taking a close look at the film. Disinformation is rife, and anything in the mass media that serves to justify the War on Terror should be looked at very closely and sceptically. But of course "the mass media" now includes YouTube and everything on it, including the video you quote and criticise. There's more than one way to misdirect a sceptical public. ("InfoWars" indeed.)

Nordic wrote:And again, as so many people have mentioned, like WR, who the fuck shot this video, why haven't they been identified and all over the news (even anonymously, it would be a hell of a feature story on the "news", right?) and why were they there???


The video was shot by a guy called Jordi Mir:

Jan 11, 12:50 PM EST

AP Exclusive: Witness to Paris officer's death regrets video

By RAPHAEL SATTER
Associated Press

PARIS (AP) -- The man whose amateur video of a Paris police officer's cold-blooded murder shocked the world now regrets sharing the footage online, saying he never expected it to be broadcast so widely.

Engineer Jordi Mir told The Associated Press he posted the video out of fear and a "stupid reflex" fostered by years on social media.

"I was completely panicked," he said in an exclusive interview across from the Parisian boulevard where the officer was shot to death by terrorists Wednesday morning.

The short film immediately became the most arresting image of France's three-day-long drama [...]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/ ... TE=DEFAULT


I myself googled around for a few minutes trying to find out a bit more about the guy through LinkedIn, Facebook, his blog, etc. Fwiw (which is not much), I couldn't find anything suspicious. Middle-aged guy, engineer, has one patent to his name, runs his own firm, has a very bland and boring blog, lives in Catalonia, etc.) He says he thought it was a bank robbery at first and was shocked to see it turn into a murder right in front of his (office?) window.

What I don't understand is that he says he gave the film to the police and then posted it to Facebook. Surely they warned him not to? (Evidence in an ongoing criminal investigation, etc.) And if he had his own copy of the film to post to Facebook, then he must have copied it to his computer before giving it to the police.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:09 pm

JANUARY 12, 2015

Where the Most Pernicious Attacks on Freedom of Expression Come From
The Road From Paris to Damascus–and Back Again
by AFSHIN RATTANSI
Paris.

The so-called West doesn’t like freedom of expression. When I began working at Al Jazeera, then investigating Al Qaeda, the Qatari company was violently targeted. When I was at the BBC, we had a source who was trying to tell the world that Tony Blair’s government was deceiving the public about evidence for an invasion of Iraq. The scientist David Kelly was allegedly driven to suicide. Afterwards, millions were made refugees, wounded or killed, in and around Iraq. Journalists who tried to be free to express themselves were driven out. The head of the BBC was removed.

When The Guardian tried to reveal the Edward Snowden revelations about everyone in Britain being bugged by the secret services, David Cameron sent in the heavies – not to kill editor Alan Rusbridger – but to smash up Guardian computers. Snowden had to flee to Moscow with the aid of Wikileaks. The mass surveillance state had already been used against Wikileaks for having the temerity to believe it was free to expose U.S. military killing of civilians. Thousands more than who died in Paris have been extra-judicially assassinated by President Obama’s drones. There was no place in the Western mainstream media for blame on NATO nations for aiding Israel as it killed and maimed thousands of Palestinian civilians in Gaza over the summer.

Britain bans TV stations. And as the recent dramatic reconstruction of the work of U.S. journalist Gary Webb – Michel Cuesta’s “Kill the Messenger” – tries to explain, the careers of Western reporters are destroyed if they try and publish stories against the state. Webb killed himself. Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings died when his car exploded in LA after he took down – in an article – the commander of Western forces in Afghanistan.

One doesn’t need violent conspiracy theories to understand where the most pernicious attacks on freedom of expression come from in the West. They come from a system of powerful corporate advertiser-funded journalism that prevents real issues of life and death from ever reaching the consciousness of ordinary people in Western Europe. It was the great French revolution that set the scene. For all its benefits, the worst wars in the history of civilisation have been secular and driven by values embedded in perversions of the European enlightenment – not in religion. It has been the search for resource exploitation and profit that has killed more than any ten-year old girl strapped into a suicide vest by Boko Haram.

That’s why it sounds so absurd when liberal commentators try to resuscitate “Clash of Civilisations” rhetoric after Paris. They claim superiority for allowing freedom of expression, for supporting journalism. But they were the ones cheering on as NATO bombed journalists at Serbian TV during the war on Yugoslavia in 1999. They were the ones cheering as NATO bombed journalists at Libyan TV in 2011. They are the ones who cheerlead wars that kill journalists and anyone else in their way.

The liberal defence appears to be that the threat against free expression posed by Islam is too great. Only printing cartoons and launching wars can save us from this religion. But when they namecheck “Islam”, do they even know that the unprecedented march of medieval Islam was precisely because unlike other religions of the Book, it offered freedom of expression? Maybe they think history is irrelevant.

Or is this actually nothing to do with Islam? Is this just propaganda from a Western press that isn’t free? Is there just a playbook for Western journalists in which “Islam” can be swapped for “Socialism in 1930s Spain”, “Communism in Russia”, “Maoism in China”, “Bolivarism in Latin America”, “Non-Aligned Movement in Asia”? It doesn’t matter what it is – just that it is seen as the enemy because that is in the interests of hegemonic Western capital.

Journalists in the West who have fought to tell the truth about 20th/21st century interventions in the developing world – they have destroyed the lives of billions – know what it’s like. Fight against the system, and power will threaten your livelihood. And, more likely than not, you’ll be left with nothing but the ability to say “told you so” after a scale of slaughter is unleashed that not only kills more than ISIS could ever dream of but also catalyses the deluded to carry out atrocities like those in Paris.

There is something suicidal about elite media responses to the Charlie Ebdo massacre. It’s not only that what goes for journalism ignores the fact that the worst slaughters in history – world wars – trace their lineage from secularism. It’s that journalists seem unaware of what questions to ask about the European enlightenment, let alone the French Revolution.

“Liberté, égalité, fraternité” did not so much concern the freedom to publish anti-Semitic or Islamophobic cartoons in Charlie Ebdo magazine. It was about the revolutionary emancipation of the dispossessed. Satire aimed at Marie-Antoinette, not the sans-culottes; the slave-masters of Haiti not the slaves. In due course, the so-called terror at the hands of secular Saint-Just and Robespierre would be as nothing compared to what happened with the ensuing retrenchment of power. Who knows what the Jacobins would have made, a quarter of a millennium on, about rising religious fundamentalism in America and corporations as Gods in Europe? Zhou-en Lai, Communist China’s first premier, had it right – whether he was referring to 1789 or 1968 – when he said it was too early to give his assessment of events in Paris.

But, now, a rotten Western journalism accompanies an entire Western economic crisis. There’s mass austerity because of gigantic, corrupt financial services but no context of the logical need for a complete overhaul of society. The response of the so-called free press has been to write and broadcast as if only sovereign debt ratings rule civic life. Journalism ceases to be free when all mainstream political debate in Western countries centres on pleasing a miniscule percentage of the one percent about deficit reduction. Western journalists appear not to be free to question whether society really is just what gilt-traders tell them.

As for guilt for Western war crimes, there is fear of terrorist attack from “the other.” Fear is what “free” Western journalists use when they cover NATO militarism. And ever greater restrictions on press freedom in NATO countries prevent journalists from talking about something more cataclysmic and eschatological. Recent world events suggest that Western corporations think they have found a way out of the crisis, a kind of final solution. It’s arguably the reductio ad absurdum of the powerful counter-revolutionary forces unleashed by the guillotining of the Jacobins: an out and out, overt, world war.

Lethal, foreign interventions appear on the world scene as if they are the twitches of a dying superpower. No amount of socio-economic strife at home can prevent NATO governments from perceiving military existential threats. Journalists repeat lies and forget history. Wars are prepared against the great powers of the 21st century. NATO plays war games for attacks on China – and, of course, Russia. A breathless Western journalism about Ukraine allows no dissent so that all developments are seen through the prism of Russian expansionism, not NATO’s. But, they merely posture against Russia, China and India. And in Africa and Latin America, there are signs that they sense the game is already up.

One region – dominated, as it happens, by Islam – remains in focus. It doesn’t matter that Saudi Arabia has been the financial source for ISIS. Fossil fuel profits of the Middle East are paramount. Environmental catastrophe isn’t even an issue. Nor are repeated defeats in Mesopotamia. To explain this to the people, NATO powers require a “free” press of fake stenographer-journalists who repeat what’s leaked to them. It can be fake dossiers, redlines and fake WMD and it’s all in the context of a fundamental misunderstanding of the post-1789 world.

So journalists excuse Israeli atrocities. Palestinian cartoonists don’t count when they are persecuted. They look the other way as freedom-fighters threaten the oil-fields of Eastern Saudi Arabia. It doesn’t occur to the journalists that Saudi is the financial source of so much Islamist funding. In this maelstrom, cowering in the face of Western decline, EU servant-rulers of capital transform into suicide bombers. President Hollande armed the Islamist rebels fighting secular Bashar Al-Assad. The Charlie Ebdo killers were part of that movement. It was on the road to Damascus, that the French taxpayer, like taxpayers in Britain and America, facilitated those who committed the atrocities in Paris.
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