Timothy Leary and Parapolitics

[Wombaticus Rex]

^^I agree with that 1000%

[Jezebelladonna]

Acid and psilocybin can cause peak experiences, which can be psychologically and spiritually transformative, according to psychologists (Maslow, Suttich, Grof et al).

Also see that John Hopkins study conducted just last year.
Note: funded, in part, by the federal gov't.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=
/n/a/2006/07/10/national/a213221D59.DTL

Mushroom Drug Produces Mystical Experience
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People who took an illegal drug made from mushrooms reported profound mystical experiences that led to behavior changes lasting for weeks — all part of an experiment that recalls the psychedelic '60s.

Even two months after taking the drug, pronounced SILL-oh-SY-bin, most of the volunteers said the experience had changed them in beneficial ways, such as making them more compassionate, loving, optimistic and patient. Family members and friends said they noticed a difference, too.
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Psilocybin's effects lasted for up to six hours, Griffiths said. Twenty-two of the 36 volunteers reported having a "complete" mystical experience, compared to four of those getting methylphenidate.

That experience included such things as a sense of pure awareness and a merging with ultimate reality, a transcendence of time and space, a feeling of sacredness or awe, and deeply felt positive mood like joy, peace and love. People say "they can't possibly put it into words," Griffiths said.

Two months later, 24 of the participants filled out a questionnaire. Two-thirds called their reaction to psilocybin one of the five top most meaningful experiences of their lives. On another measure, one-third called it the most spiritually significant experience of their lives, with another 40 percent ranking it in the top five.

[Spoonerian]

MP,

I don't believe that the PTB have ever needed to create elaborate schemes in order to addict Boobus Americanus to new-improved vices in order to make them somehow more pliant.

What they do need is complete 100% agreement among all Boobus Americanus that certain commodities such as opiates and guns must be prohibited or strictly controlled by the government mafia. 100s of years of consolidation of this criminal control over the "China trade" (as they used to call it) seems to be just as vital to those who rule the planet as their criminal control over legal tender, taxation, and standing armies.

Although the PTB don't need to concern themselves with vice promotion by "dosing the people" or "flooding Boobus' streets with heroin," I think they will create elaborate schemes (or at least nudge events in a way) to keep Boobus frightened of addicts "laying in the streets with fried brains."

For example, Wayne Madsen has done some good research into how many of the right wing Christian fundie cults are really just government spook operations. For decades these fundie cults have played a big role in frightening Boobus of opiates and getting him to clamor for prohibition and control by the government mafia. Ironically, some of these missionary operations such as World Vision--besides performing the standard Church Lady function of scaring Boobus--also double as important smugglers in the "China trade" itself.

I'm always puzzled about why so many of the secular conspiracy historians seem to buy in to the utopian fantasy that the government mafia should prohibit and control vice. But I guess once one buys into the whole idea that it is just for a government mafia--staffed with the right dons, capos, and hitmen of course--to tax and provide all sorts of other goodies, then government regulation of everybody's brain chemistry isn't such a stretch.

[professorpan]

Please argue facts and not urban myths.

Ecstasy, MDMA, does not "eat holes in your brain." At therapeutic dosages, there is no indication of any permanent damage. The major study that freaked everyone out, by George Ricaurte, was a major clusterfuck -- he was injecting his monkeys with methamphetamine, not MDMA (3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine). Now, one could accuse him of doing it on purpose to justify continued funding by NIDA... but that wouldn't be nice...

If you want to argue that psychedelics are not for you, fine. But to argue they are devoid of value, you have to offer some evidence beyond "I had some friends, and they took a bunch of acid, and now they're stupid." There is an abundance of evidence that psychedelics can be useful for therapy and as medicine. The recent studies on psilocybin and LSD for cluster headaches is only the most recent example, as is the psilocybin study Jez pointed to above.

I know a couple of the principals involved in putting together the Hopkins psilocybin study. They worked with LSD and terminal cancer patients in the 60s and 70s, and they saw how powerful a healing tool it could be. The recent psilocybin study is more confirmation.

MDMA is an extremely potent tool for helping people deal with trauma, and there's some research about to get underway to help terminally ill patients deal with the end of their lives assisted by MDMA.

Then there's medical marijuana -- often the only substance that can help people undergoing chemotherapy to keep their meds down. I can't imagine anyone who hangs around this board would supports the war against this natural medicine.

Any drug can be abused. But to suggest psychedelics are always harmful is contradicted by decades of studies. But even if you were to ignore the medical evidence, the use of psychedelics for consciousness exploration and creativity is something that should not be denied if we believe in personal freedom.

I understand people have had negative experiences with drugs of all sorts. But don't project your negative experiences onto others. Some of us have had our lives enhanced by plants and chemicals, and others have found healing. One man's medicine is another's poison.

[MASONIC PLOT]

Spooner, I think you and I would have a lot in common, for one I love Lysander and especially Bakunin and I truly appreciate one who sees that the state is a criminal protection racket and those who vote for its capos and dons are very much state worshiping govt cultists akin to religious fanatics paying homage to imaginary gods and godesses. In fact, I think they would probably get more results dancing around a fire naked with goat skulls than they do actually voting for tweedledee and tweedledum.

I have asked the question on this board thousands of times and still havent gotten an answer.

What is authority where the fuck does it come from?

It works much like this:

You have the right to rule you.

I have the right to rule me.

You do not have the right to rule me.

Nor can you delegate that right (which you don't have) to anyone else even if he calls himself "government."

That means . . . authority cannot possibly exist.

Any "government" based on a non-existent authority is therefore a
delusion of the mind.

As for drugs, I do NOT think they should be controlled by governments, I was merely arguing they are not GOOD FOR YOU, they may bring about some positive experiences and they do in fact help a lot of people who are sick, medical marijuana being a fine example, but I was speaking strictly in terms of the comment that they are good for you, I dont believe there are many cases where using synthetic drugs are actually good for ones health, but again, they can certainly expand the consciousness and this can be very beneficial in many ways. I cant even put into words my own experiences with natives on the reservations using mushrooms and peyote in a very controlled spiritual enviroment. Naturally occuring substances like psilocybin are a different situation altogether of course. I dont care what anyone else does personally, to each their own indeed. I absolutely KNOW the war on drugs is a scam. I only chose not to use drugs anymore because I want to be healthy and drug free and keep my mind clear and sharp as I train myself to survive in extreme conditions, that is my goal for now and has been for many years. I want my mind and my body to be strong, pure and ready for action.

Lastly, my comments on the counter culture revolution and the 60s may not be entirely accurate. I think many of you make good points, but I still think some of what I said is true and there was much more going on behind the curtian than we all realize and it did in fact involve those nazis smuggled here after the war. We will likely never know and what is most important is that we all continue to share what we see and evolve from eachother's ideas.

[dbeach]

and the early opium trade was controlled out of New HAVEn CT in the early 1800s and the Forbes family was a big pusher
that would be skull and bones kerry relatives

and some money helped fund yale zooadversity

[Spoonerian]

MP, Have you ever heard the theories that Britain's Tavistock Institute was behind the creation of the Beatles and the British rock invasion of the 60's and that this was some kind of plot to corrupt the morals of youth in the U.S.? I bring this up because it seems to me that it is analogous to the theory that drugs were glamorized by the PTB for the same reasons.

Although I doubt that these theories are true or significant, it is possible that there is some truth to them. But here's my point: Do you remember when the CIA's Deutch (I think it was) held those public hearings in LA or San Francisco (I think) in response to the Gary Webb and San Jose Mercury stories about how the CIA "was flooding the streets with crack" and all of that? Do you remember how all of those people shouted at him: "Stop flooding our streets with crack! You're committing genocide?"

I did some heavy cringing when all of that was going on. And when I read just about any of the fascinating secret history of how drug smugglers rule the world, I find myself in a permanent background state of cringing, because the premise from which everyone seems to be working from is the same premise of all those people in Deutch's audience: "We've got to stop these bad drug dealers who've been flaunting our drug laws for centuries."

I don't even know how to start straightening these people out. A long time ago (pre-911) I called Hopsicker who was being interviewed on a local right wing populist talk radio show and asked him about this premise that secret history researchers such as himself all seem to stipulate (that the government mafia's centuries old drug prohibitions and controls are nice harmless noble experiments). He, like you, said he was totally against the prohibitions, but I recall him saying that he couldn't get into that really with the types of audiences that he was addressing. To me, this seems a whole lot worse than just counter-productive. The PTB have gotta be loving it when they hear those mom-and-pop voter packed arenas begging the CIA to "stop flooding our streets and genociding us."

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Amen to your nice proof that the state is by definition a mafia. Nowadays, my mission seems to be to draw out the inner anarchist in people I run into (which I think poster Joe Hillshoist recently seemed to lament had all retreated into one of his little toes)

[MASONIC PLOT]

That is a very good point, Spooner. Certainly a very good angle from which to reconsider the entire premise.

[professorpan]

Thanks for clarifying your thoughts on psychedelics, MP. I'm always wary when people make blanket statements about drugs, particularly psychedelics. Good to know they've done you some good in the past.

[Trifecta]

I think Leary was used. But I reccommend anyone who has used and understood natural psychedelics (not lSD) to read The Psychedelic experience a manual based on the tibetan book of the dead. Leary, Ralph Metzner and Richard Alpert.

Set and setting is THE most important aspect.

[Joe Hillshoist]

which I think poster Joe Hillshoist recently seemed to lament had all retreated into one of his little toes)

There was a context to that. Sometime state provided infrastructure is really good.

I am all for getting peoples inner anarchist fired up. Mine just realised the hypocracy of saying "the state" is all bad when some state institutions were probably directly responsible for saving the life of someone I love very much.

It just 90% bad.

[Spoonerian]

I am all for getting peoples inner anarchist fired up. Mine just realised the hypocracy of saying "the state" is all bad when some state institutions were probably directly responsible for saving the life of someone I love very much.

This is what inspired me to comment on Leary's explanation to his frightened wife that the liberal CIA mafia was the mafia to fear the least in the 20th century. These CIA "good guys" did indeed rescue Leary and there seems to be a lot of evidence that he was working with some of them to some extent for a long time. So, was he wrong or hypocritical to label them as "mafia?" I don't think so.

As I said earlier, on planet earth all of us--even the most anarchistic--must deal with these mafias whether its with public schools, hospitals, roads, and on and on. But the job of the anarchist is to always point out where the guns are and who's using them on whom and how and why. Leary was one of the best at this. And I always admired his free market, libertarian, "we can do all of this stuff ourselves without resorting to hit men to finance it-style" of anarchism.

[MASONIC PLOT]

And make no mistake, government IS a mafia. Armed thugs running a corporate protection racket.

[MinM]

Susan Sarandon Recalls Dolphin Attack
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php ... hin_attack

[Wombaticus Rex]

Susan Sarandon Recalls Dolphin Attack
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php ... hin_attack

I read that and thought "Lambert Dolphin attacked Susan Sarandon? WTF is going on at SRI?"