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Re: Beauty

Postby erosoplier » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:36 am

marmot wrote:
erosoplier wrote:The world owes beauty a debt of recognition, but beauty owes the world nothing.


"Beauty will save the world."
-----Fyodor Dosoevsky


We can only hope.

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On the other hand, betrayal isn't necessarily always a bad thing. One can betray the truth. One can, typically reluctantly, betray all sorts of nice things.

Maybe I've COMPLETELY misinterpreted Kundera.

What was that again? Beauty is a world betrayed?


(I'm thinking I've struck upon it here. If he had said "Beauty is the world betrayed," then I'd stand by my initial interpretations. But he said "Beauty is a world betrayed," so I'm thinking perhaps he's saying beauty says the essential things about a particular world.

And that would be light.)
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:56 am

blanc said:

apropos the APA report - does anyone have any ideas as to why its taken so so long for the psych community to catch on and complain about the sexualisation of children in fashion and media?


Maybe because since the middle of the last century we've witnessed the gradual sexualisation of EVERYTHING?

Cars, soft-drinks, blue-collar workers, musicians, entertainers, rich people, holidays, the elderly, politicians, business leaders, teenagers, alcoholic beverages, wars, crime, housewives, the news and of course, children, are all viewed in popular culture through a sexual fog. It's so pervasive it's invisible, unless you step out of it for a while and then come back, when it will hit you like a ton of bricks.

It's become positively pavlovian: to like something, even if it's a new business plan, is to "find it sexy"; to be attracted to someone's mind or personality is to be "sexually attracted". Food is "sexy". A beach is "sexy". Lollipops and ice-cream, formerly symbols of innocent childhood? Don't go there! (shudder) As far as I can tell, pet dogs and cats and goldfish are the last remaining frontier as humanity stumbles, zombie-like, in search of the next big thrill.

I find it all too bizarre and disconcerting for words. I've been hyper-sensitized to this especially since having kids, when it suddenly struck me that it is almost impossible for them to watch tv or listen to the "cool songs" their friends like, without being bombarded with sexual images and messages ranging from somewhat subtle to appalling.

Even more disturbing, this pervasive sexual conditioning is twinned with equally ubiquitous violence, with the lines between them frequently blurred, most obviously in corporate popular culture aimed at the young. Children are being indoctrinated into neglecting their intelligence, education, moral development, and that thing that used to be called "character" in favor of "might makes right", "magick" and sexiness as the appropriate way to interact with the world.

People, like everything else, are now openly invited to treat themselves as commodities. "Learn how to sell yourself!" no longer means "Learn to become a prostitute!" on the surface, while subliminally the meaning doesn't really change. Prostitutes suppress their Selves to conform to the customer's selfish desires and fantasies, just as each of us is expected to keep up with the latest artificial trends, not only in clothes, but the shape of our bodies, our lips, our noses and our political perspectives, in order to please...each other?

It boils down to an abdication of control, at all levels, over our own lives, our own values, our own bodies and minds, and even feelings, as we chase one corporate-generated mirage after another, each one promising love, happiness, health and fun, until it fades to be replaced by another, over and over, until we drop dead.

It's inevitable that such a process takes its toll, not only on the psychological health of the individuals and families in such a society, but on their spiritual health. I'm talking about soul-sickness, which is the somewhat archaic term that comes to mind as I contemplate these pathetic creatures held up to us all as role-models, and as the embodiment of success. If these are our heroes, our models, our "idols", is it any wonder that a sense of futility, of alienation and despair, has insinuated itself into the very fabric of so many "advanced" societies.

I'm almost done with my rant now, so bear with me. Many years ago, I heard a story about some expat teenagers who went on a lark into the Egyptian desert by themselves, in a 4-wheel drive that they loaded down with junk food and beer, apparently in the belief that beer is an adequate substitute for water. The thirstier they got, the more beer they drank. Since beer speeds up the process of dehydration, they didn't get far before their bodies were found not too far into the desert.

That story struck me at the time, as a perfect parable for the way many of us live our lives, unknowingly quenching our spiritual thirst with the very things that shrivel our souls until they die.

Yes, it was inevitable that someone would quote from the Bible, and I've chosen to do it first:

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your minds, so that you may discern what is the will of God--what is good and acceptable and perfect. (Romans 12:1-2)


The fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5:22-23)


Sex is no substitute for love, cheap laughs are no substitute for joy, numbness is no substitute for peace, instant gratification is no substitute for patience, self-centredness is no substitute for kindness, luxury is no substitute for generosity, neediness is no substitute for faithfulness, cowardice is no substitute for gentleness, and an obsession with diet and exercise is not an adequate substitute for control over one's decisions and behaviour by one's Self.

And the self as conceived by marketing managers is no substitute for the divine Self which was designed to grow by feeding on wisdom, love and beauty in all its forms, until it is once again capable of seeing the face of its Maker.
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Blake

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Feb 21, 2007 7:12 am

Fun I love, but too much fun is of all things the most loathsome. Mirth is better than fun, and happiness is better than mirth.

- William Blake (1757-1827)
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dead on

Postby marmot » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:37 pm

Wow Alice Wow! your rant---an absolutely amazing dead on analysis! Wow!
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Postby AlicetheKurious » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:00 pm

Thanks, marmot. Image
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Subliminal Subversion

Postby The Omega Man » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:37 pm

Exactly Alice, look no further than the spate of these utterly repugnant Bratz characters, Dakota Fanning's next movie where they graphically show her being raped. Nicole (more like 'sick-old') Kiddman's recent movie where she's totally nude in the tub with a little boy. This is the same warped world where Woody Allen and Roman Polanski receive accolades and awards instead of being run out on a rail. This simply has to stop before we're so degraded as a culture that people are marrying animals and bloody anything goes.

What we are in the throes of, is social engineered PSYOPs's determined to break down society so you have chaos and an atmosphere where pedophiles multiply and run amok. A sick society where the family has been neutralized and weakened to the point of absurdity. In the working world strangers have more contact with our children then members of our own family. And even within the boundaries of the family structure there could be twisted individuals who are abusing children and no one turns them in and turns a blind eye to.

MTV is a huge and very cunning contributor to assisting in diminishing the morals and dignity of young people. The other side of this a family member pointed out was also this propagation in the media of beautiful women acting out sexually with animals. She pointed out in particular an American Geico commercial in which a vivacious young women is enchantingly cavorting, dancing with a 3" Gecco lizard. She calls it the Beauty and the Beast" syndrome and has pointed out a growing number of shocking instances where this is employed.

What can we do? Turn off, or severely limit your TV viewing to progressive and constructive programming. You'll regain and rediscover a wealth of satisfying time you now have that you can spend constructively and guilt-free. Return to the old school ways of sitting down at a table to eat meals, talking and spending time with our children, emote to them and let them know they're valued, smart and contribute much to the family. This will provide the security and nurturing the need to establish that they can confide and depend on you. Explain to them that your household is like a ship and that everyone must do their part to ensure that it stays on course. Read to them and have them read to you, share ideas and work on projects together that bring them pride of accomplishment.

Never lie to them, for they will catalog it in the backs of their mind and it will eat away at trust they have of your word and honor. When they are ready, tell them how the world works and give them a solid foundation of what is good versus what is evil. If you have some young ones I highly recommend 2 movies that you will enjoy as well, "A Bugs Life" and "Chicken Run".

'A Bugs Life' teaches them about collective work and defense against a common enemy who seeks to enslave them.

'Chicken Run' teaches them about working together to oppose an evil and use cooperation to achieve a common goal.

Cheers all.
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Postby marmot » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:16 pm

<a respectful nod to The Omega Man>
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As if on Cue...

Postby The Omega Man » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:51 pm

Wow, this came right on cue, as if to illustrate my point. BTW, Thanks for the bigup Marmot. This all has to do with acclimating the next generation of Brittany Spears, Anna Nicole's, etc. Where they can be "discovered" (procured more aptly) by the media and tarted out with possible use as an MK 'Presidential Model'. Everybody wants to fast track to stardom, and they care less and less for the road they take and the means they employ to get there.

Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=LWOVZTAAMO0N1QFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2007/02/20/ngirls20.xml

The Story:
The Generation of 'Damaged' Girls

By Sarah Womack, Social Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:49am GMT 21/02/2007

- Girls just need to be young
- Can we stop the corruption of childhood?
- 'One of America's worst exports'

A generation of very young girls is being psychologically damaged by inappropriate "sexy" clothing, toys and images in the media that are corrupting childhood, leading psychologists warn today.

They say marketing takes unfair advantage of children's desire for affection and the need to conform, leading to eating disorders, low self-esteem and depression.

Their report echoes a warning by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, and follows a United Nations study last week saying that British children were the unhappiest and unhealthiest in the developed world.

The American Psychological Association's report says inappropriate marketing is leading to the sexualization of children by a consumer society.

Apart from clothing for five- and six-year-olds, with old-fashioned frilly frocks replaced by mini skirts, plunging necklines and sequined crop tops, the report specifically criticizes "Bratz dolls".

These outsell Barbie dolls in Britain by two to one and come dressed in miniskirts, fishnet stockings and feather boas.

Disney's Little Mermaid or Pocahontas "which have more cleavage, fewer clothes and are depicted as sexier than characters of yesteryear" are also picked out.

"The consequences of the sexualization of girls in media today are very real and are likely to be a negative influence on girls' healthy development," said Eileen Zurbriggen, the APA's task force chairman. "As a society, we need to replace all these sexualized images with ones showing girls in positive settings. The goal should be to deliver messages to all adolescents — boys and girls — that lead to healthy sexual development."

Her comments were endorsed by Dr Jean Kilbourne, the co-author of a forthcoming book So Sexy, So Soon: The Sexualization Of Childhood, who said clothing, toys and adverts were shaping a child's gender identity and values in the wrong way.

She saw a direct link between what was happening and the rise in under-age sex.

Dr Kilbourne told The Daily Telegraph: "You see these clothes everywhere, tight T-shirts for little girls saying 'so many boys, so little time', that sort of thing.

"Parents think it is clever but they cease to think that when their child becomes sexually active at 12. There is huge pressure on girls to look sexy and dress provocatively at a younger and younger age and boys are getting graphic sexualized messages. But parents can say 'no' and refuse to buy this stuff."

Recently Asda was condemned for marketing black lacy underwear to nine-year-old girls.

Last night Sue Palmer, the education consultant and author of Toxic Childhood, said: "The same mothers that dress their daughters up like tarts are probably the mothers going on demos against paedophiles. They don't make the connection between how they are dressing children and what they are so frightened of — paedophilia." A Bratz spokesman said its dolls were bought by over-eights. "The Bratz brand, which has remained number one in the UK market for 23 consecutive months focuses core values on friendship, hair play and a 'passion for fashion'."

The spokesman quoted Dr Bryan Young, a psychologist at Exeter University, as saying "parents may feel awkward but I don't think children see the dolls as sexy. They just think they're pretty".
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As if on Cue...

Postby The Omega Man » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:08 pm

Wow, this came right on cue, as if to illustrate my point. BTW, Thanks for the bigup Marmot. This all has to do with acclimating the next generation of Brittany Spears, Anna Nicole's, etc. Where they can be "discovered" (procured more aptly) by the media and tarted out with possible use as an MK 'Presidential Model'. Everybody wants to fast track to stardom, and they care less and less for the road they take and the means they employ to get there.

Link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml;jsessionid=LWOVZTAAMO0N1QFIQMFSFFOAVCBQ0IV0?xml=/news/2007/02/20/ngirls20.xml

The Story:
The Generation of 'Damaged' Girls

By Sarah Womack, Social Affairs Correspondent
Last Updated: 1:49am GMT 21/02/2007

- Girls just need to be young
- Can we stop the corruption of childhood?
- 'One of America's worst exports'

A generation of very young girls is being psychologically damaged by inappropriate "sexy" clothing, toys and images in the media that are corrupting childhood, leading psychologists warn today.

They say marketing takes unfair advantage of children's desire for affection and the need to conform, leading to eating disorders, low self-esteem and depression.

Their report echoes a warning by the Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, and follows a United Nations study last week saying that British children were the unhappiest and unhealthiest in the developed world.

The American Psychological Association's report says inappropriate marketing is leading to the sexualization of children by a consumer society.

Apart from clothing for five- and six-year-olds, with old-fashioned frilly frocks replaced by mini skirts, plunging necklines and sequined crop tops, the report specifically criticizes "Bratz dolls".

These outsell Barbie dolls in Britain by two to one and come dressed in miniskirts, fishnet stockings and feather boas.

Disney's Little Mermaid or Pocahontas "which have more cleavage, fewer clothes and are depicted as sexier than characters of yesteryear" are also picked out.

"The consequences of the sexualization of girls in media today are very real and are likely to be a negative influence on girls' healthy development," said Eileen Zurbriggen, the APA's task force chairman. "As a society, we need to replace all these sexualized images with ones showing girls in positive settings. The goal should be to deliver messages to all adolescents — boys and girls — that lead to healthy sexual development."

Her comments were endorsed by Dr Jean Kilbourne, the co-author of a forthcoming book So Sexy, So Soon: The Sexualization Of Childhood, who said clothing, toys and adverts were shaping a child's gender identity and values in the wrong way.

She saw a direct link between what was happening and the rise in under-age sex.

Dr Kilbourne told The Daily Telegraph: "You see these clothes everywhere, tight T-shirts for little girls saying 'so many boys, so little time', that sort of thing.

"Parents think it is clever but they cease to think that when their child becomes sexually active at 12. There is huge pressure on girls to look sexy and dress provocatively at a younger and younger age and boys are getting graphic sexualized messages. But parents can say 'no' and refuse to buy this stuff."

Recently Asda was condemned for marketing black lacy underwear to nine-year-old girls.

Last night Sue Palmer, the education consultant and author of Toxic Childhood, said: "The same mothers that dress their daughters up like tarts are probably the mothers going on demos against paedophiles. They don't make the connection between how they are dressing children and what they are so frightened of — paedophilia." A Bratz spokesman said its dolls were bought by over-eights. "The Bratz brand, which has remained number one in the UK market for 23 consecutive months focuses core values on friendship, hair play and a 'passion for fashion'."

The spokesman quoted Dr Bryan Young, a psychologist at Exeter University, as saying "parents may feel awkward but I don't think children see the dolls as sexy. They just think they're pretty".
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Oh, gods...that Anna Nichol video

Postby LilyPatToo » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:17 pm

Since I have an alternate personality who is in her early teens and who is obsessed with fashion and beauty, the recent self-destruction of young female celebs was recognizable to me for what it was from the outset. But when I suggested to friends that I believed that what we were seeing was the direct result of covert pedophilia, exploitation and programming, almost everyone reacted by denying that--the "snicker factor" kicked in automatically.

And some of the ones who know my own history suggested gently that I might be projecting. But I believe that they're wrong in at least a few of the celeb cases. When I looked at the Anna Nichol Smith video, for instance, I *KNEW* absolutely that I was looking at a genuine child alter that her last of a long line of handlers had cued up. And that he did it for future gain is completely supportive of the programmed multiple explanation--callous, sneering exploitation is absolutely central and is a constant that should be looked for, IMO, every time a possible victim's case is researched.

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Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:18 pm

Perhaps it's just because I went through it, and everyone else I know went through it, but --

-- I do suspect that you need to walk through the belly of the beast and make it out the other side. I really question protecting children, I think you might only succeed in raising helpless and unprepared kids. I'm probably way outta my depth since I know a number of you have kids and I'm just an overgrown adolescent, but I also think that all of bad experiences were nescessary in preparing me for who I am today and arming me for the future.
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Postby cc » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:53 pm

i have to rather agree that if you choose to bring a child into this world you ought to sort of accept that you can't shelter them from the world we live in. they're going to be warped, corrupted, sexualized, neglected, abused. i dont mean specifically physical or sexual abuse at least not in the way those terms are conventionally used and thrown around, but rather something more subtle, and i'm by no means saying that it's okay or that you should be at ease with it. I am saying it is reality. I think everyone here knows what an aweful dark world we exist in, and thus if you choose to bring children into that place, it is at your own risk, or more accurately theirs.

part of what makes life life and what makes humans humans, and what makes the human condition the human condition is consciousness that the world is a rotten rotten place, that bad things happen to good people and so on. and of course it's only natural people wear their traumas like battle scars. "these are the tough experiences that shaped me". i guess it is true... i'm not sure where i'm going with this...
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worldview

Postby marmot » Wed Feb 21, 2007 4:57 pm

LilyPat,,, I too have to be careful what sort of things I say relative to the company I'm with. There are very few people who share my particular worldview. If I were to suggest certain deeper possiblilites that may be affecting the surface appearance of things, such as suggesting an inside-job to the Bombing of the Murray Federal Building and to the events of 9-11, or that "our own" (sic) Intelligence Agencies torture children to create mind control operatives, I almost inevitably come across as being absolutely crazy, a kook, a woohoo "conspiracy nut"---this is what their worldview trains them to see me as. So I'm careful who I share my deeper appreciation of reality with.

There's a bumper sticker I see from time to time. Usually I see it on a pick-up truck with a gun rack. It reads: "It's A Marine Thing---You Wouldn't Understand!"

And it's true, unless one personally has had the experience, or has had some direct or indirect knowledge of what it is to be a Marine or a multiple, then it's true, they won't have what it takes to truly understand.
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Postby LilyPatToo » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:43 pm

marmot, one of the things that I would point out to a naysayer/denier about the Anna Nichol video is her use and comprehension of language.

I've gotten high a time or three and I've observed my friends get high and yet none of us regressed to a 4-5 year old's use of English. The commentary I've read on the video refers to her slurring words--well, to me the distortions in her enunciation are less slurring than they are childish speech.

Just my impression, YMMV. But I do think that it would be possible to determine the approximate age of this child alter by passing it on to someone expert in such things.

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