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Postby John E. Nemo » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:23 pm

What if.....this guy had, rather than "making a scene", simply printed up a flyer that said John Kerry Admits That He Threw Election For His Skull and Bones Brother Bush" filled with facts AND innuendoes and passed them out or put them on everyone's seat?

He could have pasted them up all over the campus and opened many any eye or at least raised doubt.

He might even have had several people asking Kerry questions about Skull and Bones, rather than being the "Freakshow Clip Of The Day" for people to watch, shrug and go back to their lives.

COINTELPRO used this non-violent, ratf*cking tactic very successfully against many activists.
Use it against them and make Sun Tzu proud.
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Postby 11:11 » Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:55 pm

What if.....this guy had, rather than "making a scene", simply printed up a flyer that said John Kerry Admits That He Threw Election For His Skull and Bones Brother Bush" filled with facts AND innuendoes and passed them out or put them on everyone's seat?

Well, he didn't. He chose to do what he wanted and was completely within his rights. It is in the aggregate that mass movements are effective and resistance is played out. When do we stop second guessing the victim and focus on the perps? This is EXACTLY what the Infowars article talked about.

Unbelievable.
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Postby chlamor » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:13 pm

is the example of clarity and sanity.

Anybody remember Miranda Rights? I don't recall this being relevant any longer in Cool Fascismo Americana Circa 2007.

Here's a piece about John Kerry weasel extraordinary:

Why Did Senator John Kerry Stand Idly By?
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS

Naïve Americans who think they live in a free society should watch the video filmed by students at a John Kerry speech September 17, Constitution Day, at the University of Florida in Gainesville.

At the conclusion of Kerry’s speech, Andrew Meyer, a 21-year old journalism student was selected by Senator Kerry to ask a question. Meyer held up a copy of BBC investigative reporter Greg Palast’s book, Armed Madhouse, and asked if Kerry was aware that Palast’s investigations determined that Kerry had actually won the election. Why, Meyer asked, had Kerry conceded the election so quickly when there were so many obvious examples of vote fraud? Why, Meyer, went on to ask, was Kerry refusing to consider Bush’s impeachment when Bush was about to initiate another act of military aggression, this time against Iran?

At this point the public’s protectors—the police—decided that Meyer had said too much. They grabbed Meyer and began dragging him off. Meyer said repeatedly, “I have done nothing wrong,” which under our laws he had not. He threatened no one and assaulted no one.

But the police decided that Meyer, an American citizen, had no right to free speech and no constitutional protection. They threw him to the floor and tasered him right in front of Senator Kerry and the large student audience, who captured on video the unquestionable act of police brutality. Meyer was carted off and jailed on a phony charge of “disrupting a public event.”

The question we should all ask is why did a United States Senator just stand there while Gestapo goons violated the constitutional rights of a student participating in a public event, brutalized him in full view of everyone, and then took him off to jail on phony charges?

Kerry’s meekness not only in the face of electoral fraud, not only in the face of Bush’s wars that are crimes under the Nuremberg standard, but also in the face of police goons trampling the constitutional rights of American citizens makes it completely clear that he was not fit to be president, and he is not fit to be a US senator.

Usually when police violate constitutional rights and commit acts of police brutality they do it when they believe no one is watching, not in front of a large audience. Clearly, the police have become more audacious in their abuse of rights and citizens. What explains the new fearlessness of police to violate rights and brutalize citizens without cause?

The answer is that police, most of whom have authoritarian personalities, have seen that constitutional rights are no longer protected. President Bush does not protect our constitutional rights. Neither does Vice President Cheney, nor the Attorney General, nor the US Congress. Just as Kerry allowed Meyer’s rights to be tasered out of him, Congress has enabled Bush to strip people, including American citizens, of constitutional protection and incarcerate them without presenting evidence.

How long before Kerry himself or some other senator will be dragged from his podium and tasered?

The Bush Republicans with complicit Democrats have essentially brought government accountability to an end in the US. The US government has 80,000 people, including ordinary American citizens, on its “no-fly list.” No one knows why they are on the list, and no one on the list can find out how to get off it. An unaccountable act by the Bush administration put them there.

Airport Security harasses and abuses people who do not fit any known definition of terrorist. Nalini Ghuman, a British-born citizen and music professor at Mills College in California was met on her return from a trip to England by armed guards at the airplane door and escorted away. A Gestapo goon squad tore up her US visa, defaced her British passport, body searched her, and told her she could leave immediately for England or be sent to a detention center.

Professor Ghuman, an Oxford University graduate with a Ph.D. from the University of California at Berkeley, says she feels like the character in Kafka’s book, The Trial. “I don’t know why it’s happened, what I’m accused of. There’s no opportunity to defend myself. One is just completely powerless.” Over one year later there is still no answer.

The Bush Republicans and their Democratic toadies have, in the name of “security,” made all of us powerless. While Senator John Kerry and his Democratic colleagues stand silently, the Bush administration has stolen our country from us and turned us into subjects.

*The video of Andrew’s Mayer’s arrest may be found at http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/index.php?filmID=601

http://counterpunch.com/roberts09192007.html
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Postby theeKultleeder » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:13 pm

Oh, believable. Remember Kent State?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Gotta get down to it
Soldiers are cutting us down
Should have been done long ago.
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How can you run when you know?

Tin soldiers and Nixon coming,
We're finally on our own.
This summer I hear the drumming,
Four dead in Ohio.


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Postby 11:11 » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:37 pm

At Kent State, people were not the mind controlled sheep that sat in that audience. Now we have people here reproach the victim for not being polite?! I grew up during the Vietnam war. The draft, along with having friends come home with a leg missing, or not come home at all, was quite mobilizing. Are stolen elections, rogue cops, treasonous senators and 9/11 not ENOUGH to mobilize THIS generation?

WAKE THE FUCK UP.
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Postby ninakat » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:45 pm

Well, I finally broke down and watched the videos over at Raw Story -- they have three. The first one is with Tucker Carlson. I'd been putting off watching since I knew I'd be boiling mad, which I am right now, and ANYONE who says this guy was out of line is delusional. Animated, sure. What the fuck is wrong with that? He was actually amazingly civil toward John Kerry. He wasn't some lunatic who was out of control, which is how some people seem to want to characterize him.

At least Tucker and the reporter were somewhat on the victim's side, although Tucker was asking why handcuffs weren't enough. HANDCUFF'S? That implies that the guy was dangerous and a threat. HE WASN'T as the videos clearly show. Those "cops" disgusted me. And now they're suspended WITH PAY. FUCK THAT.

And yeah, 11:11:, we're the same age and grew up through Vietnam. People weren't afraid to speak out.

"Speak out. You've got to speak out against the madness.... you've got to speak your mind, if you dare." -- David Crosby
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Postby ninakat » Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:55 pm

Author of tasered student's 'mystery book' points to irony in incident
Jason Rhyne
Published: Wednesday September 19, 2007

The book Andrew Meyer clutched in his hands moments before being swarmed and eventually tasered by police--a "mysterious" yellow book, reported the Washington Post--isn't so mysterious at all: it's the latest from BBC investigative reporter and author Greg Palast.

"About eleven people called me after it happened," Palast told RAW STORY. "Then I saw the full clip on YouTube."

Palast's book, Armed Madhouse: From Baghdad to New Orleans--Sordid Secrets and Strange Tales of a White House Gone Wild, was the basis for Meyer's comments to Sen. John Kerry, who had been fielding student questions in a forum at the University of Florida.

On video, Meyer can be heard telling Kerry he'd like to recommend the book to him.

"It's called 'Armed Madhouse' by Greg Palast," the student said, "He's the top investigative journalist in America."

"I've already read it," Kerry replied, as Meyer went on to repeat conclusions from Palast's book, which contends Kerry actually won the 2004 presidential election.

What Meyer was referring to, according to Palast, was a chapter in the book called "Kerry Won. Now Get Over It," in which he says millions of votes cast in the 2004 election were discarded, not counted or prevented from being cast in the first place--a fact the author says has special relevance to the locale of Meyer's arrest.

"There's an entire dimension here that's not being covered here," Palast said of the controversy. "The interesting thing to me as a journalist, is that the [Meyers incident] occurred in Alachua County, Florida, one of the worst places in the country for black voters."

Addressing Kerry before he was taken away by officers, Meyer cites reports, presumably from Palast's book, about disenfranchisement of voters in Florida and Ohio.

"They were deliberately disenfranchising voters," Palast said of Alachua, the county home to Gainesville's University of Florida. "Gainesville is horrendous."

Calling the area the "center of the attack on the black voter," Palast pointed to a 2001 article he wrote in The Nation which details what he says were efforts under Republican-led state government to purge voting rolls of felons who were convicted in other states--eligible voters under Florida law--almost half of which may be black, according to statistics in the piece.

"It's one ugly place," said Palast, who also added that the police's actions in the Meyer case pale in comparison to intimidation techniques used by authorities against minority voters during elections.

As for the tasered Meyer, the author says he sympathizes.

"I must admit I feel some appreciation for [Meyer],"Palast writes at his website, "especially because, even while he was being shot with untold amps of electricity, until he was handcuffed, he would not let go of his mysterious yellow book..."

Palast says he would like to speak to the student and has contacted Meyer's lawyer to arrange a conversation.

"Maybe I'll go down and cover the trial," the journalist added, dead seriously.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:05 pm

11:11 wrote:At Kent State, people were not the mind controlled sheep that sat in that audience. Now we have people here reproach the victim for not being polite?! I grew up during the Vietnam war. The draft, along with having friends come home with a leg missing, or not come home at all, was quite mobilizing. Are stolen elections, rogue cops, treasonous senators and 9/11 not ENOUGH to mobilize THIS generation?

WAKE THE FUCK UP.


It's deeper than fear. It's powerlessness. It's the kids getting shot, and the President getting shot, and the Man of Christ (MLK) getting shot, and the singers, the beautiful artists, the honest souls getting shot, over and over again.

Going to the mall is easier than facing an early death at the hands of traitorous mercenaries.

We live here now. Welcome to the Terrordome.
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Postby 11:11 » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:12 pm

Well, I guess the rEVOLution will be led by old ladies and one legged Vietnam vets. It's either going to be a peaceful revolution, or not, but it's coming. I suggest that you who are young enough to be my kids don't wait for your moms to kick ass for you. We will, but you're stronger than you think.
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Postby 11:11 » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:18 pm

There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware
I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

/ E - A - / / / / E D A C /

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind
I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side
It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down


BTW, we lost the last round. I'm hell bent that we don't this time. Those fucks that did 9/11 are going down.
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Postby theeKultleeder » Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:20 pm

"Rejoice! Rejoice! We have no choice but to carry on..."
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Postby NavnDansk » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:48 pm

There's battle lines being drawn

from Protest to Resistance...
from Protest to Resistance...
Cut Off ALL War Funding!
Fund People's Needs -
NOT War!


It's time to turn up the heat! Funding for the criminal war in Iraq will expire on October 1. The month of September will see the next big struggle over war funding, but this time the antiwar movement needs to be there to demand the immediate cut off of all war funding.

We have all seen that the Democratic leadership in Congress, despite being elected with a clear mandate to end the war, has completely capitulated to the Bush Administration. We cannot wait for politicians to end the war.

In addition to the enormous cost in human lives - more than 600,000 Iraqis and nearly 4,000 U.S. soldiers - the attempt to occupy and colonize Iraq has already cost more than $1 trillion. Every day, the Pentagon spends another $720 million.

This is money that is stolen from working people who need funding for human needs.

The U.S. Census Bureau reported last week that:

• 36.5 million people in the U.S. lived below the official poverty line in 2006.

• 47 million people in the U.S. were without health insurance in 2006, up from 44.8 million in 2005.

• The number of uninsured children increased from 8 million (10.9 percent) in 2005 to 8.7 million (11.7 percent) in 2006.

Meanwhile, infrastructure is crumbling. Schools are understaffed and falling apart. Affordable housing is disappearing. And almost nothing has been done to rebuild the Gulf Coast following Hurricane Katrina.

Let's bring the occupation to Washington and demand money for human needs, not war!

On September 29, tens of thousands of activists, community organizers, youth and students, veterans, military families, and health care activists will march on the White House to Demand: Cut off ALL War Funding! Fund People's Needs, NOT War!

Buses, vans, and car caravans are coming from more than 75 organizing centers, with more than 100 buses already scheduled, and more being added every day. Organizing a mobilization of this scale is enormously expensive -- please consider making a donation online at

http://troopsoutnow.org/donate.shtml.
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Postby FourthBase » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:50 pm

11:11 wrote:At Kent State, people were not the mind controlled sheep that sat in that audience. Now we have people here reproach the victim for not being polite?! I grew up during the Vietnam war. The draft, along with having friends come home with a leg missing, or not come home at all, was quite mobilizing. Are stolen elections, rogue cops, treasonous senators and 9/11 not ENOUGH to mobilize THIS generation?

WAKE THE FUCK UP.


ninakat wrote:Well, I finally broke down and watched the videos over at Raw Story -- they have three. The first one is with Tucker Carlson. I'd been putting off watching since I knew I'd be boiling mad, which I am right now, and ANYONE who says this guy was out of line is delusional. Animated, sure. What the fuck is wrong with that? He was actually amazingly civil toward John Kerry. He wasn't some lunatic who was out of control, which is how some people seem to want to characterize him.

At least Tucker and the reporter were somewhat on the victim's side, although Tucker was asking why handcuffs weren't enough. HANDCUFF'S? That implies that the guy was dangerous and a threat. HE WASN'T as the videos clearly show. Those "cops" disgusted me. And now they're suspended WITH PAY. FUCK THAT.

And yeah, 11:11:, we're the same age and grew up through Vietnam. People weren't afraid to speak out.

"Speak out. You've got to speak out against the madness.... you've got to speak your mind, if you dare." -- David Crosby


It's wonderful that he chose to speak up, but how he did it was stupid. No one here cares if he was "impolite" or "out of line" or even "out of control". Hell, it would be my wet dream to hold court at an event like that and drop f-bombs of derision and even slap a few people for emphasis as I lowered the boom on their feeble status quo minds and exposed Kerry as a satanic saboteur of the progressive left. But guess what, that's not going to accomplish a goddamned thing.

What did all the histrionics in the late 60's accomplish? The war continued, hell it even escalated. If anything, all the shrill wailing and j'accuse (from 18-22 year olds especially) discredited the anti-war argument in the minds of working class America, and that was when the lower and middle class was affected by the war's deaths and injuries on a much larger, deeper, and more indiscriminate scale! There's zero draft-fueled fury today, the general public is more mind-controlled than ever, and you expect the same apoplectic fits of righteousness that didn't work back then to magically work today? Let them eat cake, and let them see paper mache puppets...the war pigs love that ineffective shit, especially when it makes the "rebels" appear like clowns to the people who really matter: the masses. We need to be SMARTER and MORE EFFECTIVE. Getting angrier in public will just trap us, like those contraptions that get tighter the more you struggle to escape.
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Postby FourthBase » Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:56 pm

On September 29, tens of thousands of activists, community organizers, youth and students, veterans, military families, and health care activists will march on the White House to Demand: Cut off ALL War Funding! Fund People's Needs, NOT War!


Marching to the White House in order to be a decontextualized soundbite halfway through people's evening news if you're lucky is not going to make even the tiniest fucking dent. If anything, it will just reinforce the perception that even when large numbers of people join together they are impotent to stop a war. I mean, there are other places, other types of assembly and protest that might be more effective...and people just keep doing the cliche and trotting down to D.C. THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE, BECAUSE MARCHING IN D.C. WON'T WORK TODAY.
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:12 pm

FourthBase wrote:Marching to the White House in order to be a decontextualized soundbite halfway through people's evening news if you're lucky is not going to make even the tiniest fucking dent. If anything, it will just reinforce the perception that even when large numbers of people join together they are impotent to stop a war.


Public gatherings of like minded people fortify the choir, which always needs it, and also shows visibly to others, no matter that the media minimize, that there are good citizens of a mind.

There is even an important task in proving that the media are complicit with the war party based on what they hide and distort.

These are not what we wish for, citizens shout and politicians jump, but it MUST be done.

Every single effort must be made, not given up in frustration and learned helplessness.

I mean, there are other places, other types of assembly and protest that might be more effective...and people just keep doing the cliche and trotting down to D.C.


When the mass protests of the sixties had the White House staff penned in fearing for their lives, sleeping in the bomb shelter, and 300 troops hidden in the Executive Office Building just in case, those in power were reminded that there really were people out there.

The police were lying about the numbers of protesters so Nixon had a U2 flown over to count and get real numers. Nixon realized he was isolated from reality and so he slipped out and TALKED SPORTS to protesters over at the Lincoln Memorial to get some clue.

Now DC is all power and money and Gestapo and even more the city needs to see what real citizens look like and be reminded that the city is the people's.
THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING ELSE, BECAUSE MARCHING IN D.C. WON'T WORK TODAY.


Research and infowar, spreading the truth about the myths sustaining fascism is now the new change tool we can use that people didn't have the understanding or networks to use back in the sixties.

Even due to such as Alex Jones but especially Dr. Jones and 9/11 we are changing the culture and that's why spooks read us here and then go design counterpropaganda to hide their vulnerabilities and dirty laundry.

Hey- didja see today's news story about Kevin Kline?
Think that had anything to do with the new book out yesterday by Naomi Klein? You betcha. We've got their tricks down now.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070919/ap_en_mo/people_kevin_kline_1

All things must be done, visible 'team' marching and interpersonal education and instant publishing here on the "nets."
The revolution must be institutionalized in the culture and we are starting to do that.

How's this for a goal? - geting less than 25% of Americans thinking Saddam done 9/11. :P
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