Can we take care of everyone ?

[orz]

Do away with the lawn and your problem's solved. And then when used wisely said "lawn" produces food.

Most insightful post in this ridiculously dumb thread.

[slimmouse]

You can run a lawnmower on water power.

Show me how.

OK Phil, heres a little anecdotal story.

The other week I go to a meeting. I watch a plethera of Browns gas being produced on 10 amps of electricity - easily "self -creatable" from an alternator. - admittedly we might need some petrol vapor to get the wheels in motion.

So, I talk to the people who have this "technology", if that indeed is the term, and ask them about why they cant turn off the petrol on their engines in order to run a motor vehicle, and they say, thats its simply a case of not being able to generate enough Hydrogen - NOT that its impossible to create the hydrogen theoretically, but that they dont have the relative peanuts required for the R&D to 'make it so'

So heres the basic deal.

We have all these 'world leaders' suggesting to us that we need to become more eco friendly. Gore with his "Inconvenient truth", Cameron with his green tree logo. - All these serial liars talking about how the proles all need to pay more for energy, whilst for the want of relative peanuts in R&D, we could all be running our vehicles, and fuelling all our energy requirements from H20 - Theres a big clue in the formula.

Any H20 reserves on this planet ? LMAO

So given that for a few buttons we dont need Oil, then you can forgive me for continously trying to explain that Peak Oil is crap, and the sooner we all realise that, the better. The debate, as I have argued before, is being deliberately framed within the wrong context.

[wintler2]

Wintler will probably explain it to you

So here we are, three pages later, still waiting for slimmouse to provide any information about the Oxfam widget thats 'free' at 35 pounds stirling. Instead, he attempts a joke, or is it deliberate muddying of the waters. Either way, the guy takes 'lightweight' to a new low.

[wintler2]

You can run a lawnmower on water power.

Show me how.

OK Phil, heres a little anecdotal story. ..

An anecote is not 'show' in any known universe.

Do they do sums where you come from? Draw any diagrams? Take any pictures? Create any web links?

Cos your stories prove nothing but that fools are in inexhaustible supply, until phantom carrying capacity disappears at least. Are you familiar with the effects of hydrogen on metal (pipe or engine block)? How are your unnamed aquaintances getting more energy from burning H (or H2?) than they need to split the H off the O? Were your unnamed aquaintances using platinum catalysts (common), are you aware of limits to platinum resources & were the catalysts consumed in process?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 01&sc=1000
http://www.cnbc.com/id/21651633

Please consider, Slimmouse, the possibility that some of (y)our problems are due to (y)our refusal to get a basic grip on reality, rather than being due always to elite plots by superhuman agencies.

[slimmouse]

Cos your stories prove nothing but that fools are in inexhaustible supply, until phantom carrying capacity disappears at least. Are you familiar with the effects of hydrogen on metal (pipe or engine block)? How are your unnamed aquaintances getting more energy from burning H (or H2?) than they need to split the H off the O? Were your unnamed aquaintances using platinum catalysts (common), are you aware of limits to platinum resources & were the catalysts consumed in process?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 01&sc=1000
http://www.cnbc.com/id/21651633
if you're talking H-CNG then say so
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/New ... 517642.cms

Please consider, Slimmouse, the possibility that some of (y)our problems are due to (y)our refusal to get a basic grip on reality, rather than being due always to elite plots by superhuman agencies.

Ive suddenly realised something, Wintler.

You really dont even have the very first idea of what youre talking about ,do you ?

[orz]

NOT that its impossible to create the hydrogen theoretically, but that they dont have the relative peanuts required for the R&D to 'make it so'

Makes me think of all the perpetual motion machine inventors... if only they could just reduce the friction in the bearings just a little bit more...

There are plenty of "free" and environmentally friendly ways to generate energy that are criminally underused, I'll agree, but I don't see any reason to suppose any of them break the laws of thermodynamics and don't see why you are even talking about that nonsense in a thread about giving money to charity for solar panels?

Anyway, a "free energy" machine in the sense of being laws of thermodynamics-defying, would actually be terribly environmentally unfriendly and contribute massively to global warming if put into general use!!!

[wintler2]

Ive suddenly realised something, Wintler.

You really dont even have the very first idea of what youre talking about ,do you ?

Yet again the entire lack of substance to your posts intrigues me. Are you so accustomed to deference that you think merely your opinion is enough?

If you can demolish my questions with evidence based argument, how come you never do?

And, forgive me for returning to the subject of your thread, why can't you explain the barest facts about the device you launched it to promote?

[populistindependent]

"We " are "everyone" so the question - can we take care of everyone is either nonsensical, or it betrays a class bias: "we" are the aristocracy and "everyone" is the peasants.

Most bloggers and political activists, naturally enough, are privileged by definition. They have had luxuries that most of the people in the world do not enjoy, or else they would not have the time, skills and resources to be involved in political discussion. Among them there is a pervasive and almost universal bias to the upper class that goes unchallenged. The "we" and "everyone" dichotomy permeates all of the discussion. Criticism of "America" is always criticism of the upper class, though rarely identified as such. Discussions about the "history of America" is always about the history of the upper class.

Activists and observers, even those who think of themselves as in opposition, or radical, or leftist, almost always unconsciously identify with the upper class. They say "we" when talking about the US government and ruling class. Blue collar people and minority always say "they" when talking about the wealthy and powerful.

[chiggerbit]

wintler, if your links are the ones that spread the thread, please fix them. Slim, you may have to edit your quote if those same links continue to spread the thread.