American Ate My Brain II

[Et in Arcadia ego]

In case it isn't obvious, given the response here I think its important to point out that the Marvel Zombies are a spin-off, not a replacement, for the existing superhero comics.

Those that still require intact superheros sans blue skin and icky teeth can find them making monthly appearances on your favorite newsstands..

I find that hardly relevant, actually.

As your entitled to. You're as welcome to disagree with me all you want as I am to disagree with you.

That's not a problem, is it?

[Et in Arcadia ego]

You all can suck each other's dicks for being among the cognoscenti who realize there's nothing to worry about (for you) in fictitious horror shows, who appreciate the subtle subversive allegories of superheroes-turned-cannibals, wonderful.

This is the kind of shit that I can't fucking tolerate..So, in fourthbase's POV, because I don't recognize a social engineering conspiracy I should go suck someone's dick, correct?

I think its time for a Moratorium on "free speech" here at RI. Seriously..

I have no problem with strong language, but I don't think in 3 years of being here I've ever said anything this vulgar to another RI member, EVER..

[Doodad]

The point is that most of the audience aren't in that minority. Should we congratulate ourselves for getting it and comfort ourselves with the fact that at least somebody gets it, all the while the people who don't get it -- the vast majority -- are conditioned into a more and more abhorrent status quo? You all can suck each other's dicks for being among the cognoscenti who realize there's nothing to worry about (for you) in fictitious horror shows, who appreciate the subtle subversive allegories of superheroes-turned-cannibals, wonderful. Meanwhile, I'll be freaking out about the unsophisticates who outnumber us 90-1.

Allegories? Or good marketing? A dime was easy to come by when I was a kid.

[FourthBase]

Being an RI member does not mean by default I go into mind-numbing panic or moral outrage with every thread or discussion; I choose my freak-outs with a little more discretion than that.

I'm allowed to do that, yes? Think my own thoughts on something? Or should we be as lockstep jack-booting here at RI as the rest of the world that we profess so much dislike for?

Here's what pissed me off, to refresh your memory:

I think someone's taking their comic books a little too seriously..

I wasn't calling you out for disagreeing with me.
I was calling you out for poo-poo-ing my seriousness.

Black Comedy has existed for centuries, or is the next accusation going to be that the CIA used a Time Machine to head back and manipulate the Greek Tragedy playwriters?

Human sacrifice, slavery, and wanton rape of children also existed for centuries. Did the CIA use a time machine to plant that shit in history? No. Of course not. So why the hell would the existence of barbaric primitive ancient shit be relevant to a current depiction of barbaric current/future shit?

Have you actually read the comics or is this just a knee-jerk reaction to Jeff's post?

I don't have to visit the fucking crime scenes of a serial killer to understand how heinous that shit is, likewise I've read enough about this Marvel Zombies shit to understand how fucking heinous it is.

And as for your meme about this being a manipulation for accepting cannibalism, despite my own ocassional daydreamings about being in a zombie scenario(no horror fan has not done this at some point), I tend to reject your take on it altogether. I don't reject the very real possibility that such a thing could happen in the face of full economic/social collapse, and I've made the same prediction many times here. I'm just saying that I don't believe the comics have anything to do with peddling familiarity with such a scenario.

Okay.

People don't need conditioning for that kind of thing; all they require is an empty stomach for a long enough period and instinct will take over.

But they might need conditioning to accept a systemization of it, or the "need" for it when they're not necessarily literally starving...but merely "deprived" of meat. They might need conditioning if a set of countries or a set of upper classes wanted to get an organized "headstart" before a full collapse and feed off the third world/underclasses. There could be a long intermediate stage between civilization and collapse. Or it might just be collective ESP, like I said above, and completely unguided.

[FourthBase]

You all can suck each other's dicks for being among the cognoscenti who realize there's nothing to worry about (for you) in fictitious horror shows, who appreciate the subtle subversive allegories of superheroes-turned-cannibals, wonderful.

This is the kind of shit that I can't fucking tolerate..So, in fourthbase's POV, because I don't recognize a social engineering conspiracy I should go suck someone's dick, correct?

I think its time for a Moratorium on "free speech" here at RI. Seriously..

I have no problem with strong language, but I don't think in 3 years of being here I've ever said anything this vulgar to another RI member, EVER..

Have you never heard of that phrase in reference to self-congratulation?

Jesus, get a grip. And read the post above.

[Seamus OBlimey]

I have no problem with strong language, but I don't think in 3 years of being here I've ever said anything this vulgar to another RI member, EVER..

ROFLMAO

[Et in Arcadia ego]

But they might need conditioning to accept a systemization of it, or the "need" for it when they're not necessarily literally starving...but merely "deprived" of meat.

If TPTB wanted us to eat each other they'd have set up organized Cannibal Labs in third world countries to work out the kinks.

[FourthBase]

Allegories? Or good marketing? A dime was easy to come by when I was a kid.

What's exactly is your point there, Doo?

[Et in Arcadia ego]

Have you actually read the comics or is this just a knee-jerk reaction to Jeff's post?

I don't have to visit the fucking crime scenes of a serial killer to understand how heinous that shit is, likewise I've read enough about this Marvel Zombies shit to understand how fucking heinous it is.

Also, even Jeff would probably point out that basing your own position on a phenomenon from someone else's interpretation of data when the data itself is available for your own direct observations is a really half-assed way to go.

That doesn't mean you should go make a human milkshake and drink it, just that if you have that strong a stance on the comics maybe you should check them out yourself. Jeff or anyone else who provides a discussion of a subject are incapable of doing so without coloring it with their own moral/intellectual filters.

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I have no problem with strong language, but I don't think in 3 years of being here I've ever said anything this vulgar to another RI member, EVER..

ROFLMAO

Have I ever called you a cocksucker, Seamus?

[FourthBase]

Have you actually read the comics or is this just a knee-jerk reaction to Jeff's post?

I don't have to visit the fucking crime scenes of a serial killer to understand how heinous that shit is, likewise I've read enough about this Marvel Zombies shit to understand how fucking heinous it is.

Also, even Jeff would probably point out that basing your own position on a phenomenon from someone else's interpretation of data when the data itself is available for your own direct observations is a really half-assed way to go.

That doesn't mean you should go make a human milkshake and drink it, just that if you have that strong a stance on the comics maybe you should check them out yourself. Jeff or anyone else who provides a discussion of a subject are incapable of doing so without coloring it with their own moral/intellectual filters.

I read enough of the plotlines and quoted text in Jeff's blog and in 10 minutes of googling. I feel the same obligation to "check them out" as I felt toward "checking out" shit like Faces of Death. Zero obligation.

[FourthBase]

I have no problem with strong language, but I don't think in 3 years of being here I've ever said anything this vulgar to another RI member, EVER..

ROFLMAO

Have I ever called you a cocksucker, Seamus?

This is the most famous example, I think:



"Well, let's not start sucking each other's dicks quite yet."

http://www.saunalahti.fi/frog1/wavs/suckdick.wav

[Et in Arcadia ego]

I read enough of the plotlines and quoted text in Jeff's blog and in 10 minutes of googling. I feel the same obligation to "check them out" as I felt toward "checking out" shit like Faces of Death. Zero obligation.

That's cool.

Carry on, cocksucker.

[orz]

ForthBase, is there ANY actual reason to suspect that "They" are planning Soylent Green for real, or is it just a justification of your squeamishness about some horror comic that you haven't even read. This kind of thing bothers me;, it seems like just an inversion of the Daily Mail/christian "outrage" at "immorral" art which likewise they haven't actually seen but have a pre-formed "opinion" about.

Back on track, what do people think about the whole "zombie walk" flashmob phenomena?

Personally I don't see anything sinister in the increasing popularity of zombies... It's an inherently subversive genre, even when it becomes more mainstream. What bothers me is that it's becoming "cool" in a really embarrasing myspace/facebook way, becoming a boring meme amongst cool kids who probably never even saw any zombie movie apart from recent remakes. It's a shame to see a great genre of transgressive and subversive low budget horror, and one of the only non-literary cinematic monsters, getting diluted into a lame fad.

Marvel zombies looks interesting but I haven't read much marvel at all, not sure to what extent I'd even understand it or get the impact if i were to read it.

I do find it hilarious that anyone who reads this board could still be genuinely offended by this transgression against the superhero genre.

What i'm wondering is when will the US comic industry start making some comics that are, you know, NOT ABOUT SUPERHEROS!? And no, yet another highbrow postmodern deconstruction of the superhero genre does not count!!

[orz]

Those comics are subversive satire? For what...5-10% of the comics-loving anti-war intellectuals who happen to be reading them? How about the other, you know, 90-95%? What are those zombie comics to THEM? If not satire, then not allegorical/metaphorical. What, then?

LOL SHEEPLE AMIRITE?

Those 90-95% (good of you to come up with such a specific statistic off the top of your elitist head!) are enjoying some fun/horrible parody superhero zombie comics for what they are without having a kneejerk moral panic about it.