Those "Liberals"

[kool maudit]

my post was intended as an expression of support served with a backhand, or rather, served with a warning as to how our masters are able to even turn open human grievance into a laughable parlour stance.

[brainpanhandler]

my post was intended as an expression of support served with a backhand, or rather, served with a warning as to how our masters are able to even turn open human grievance into a laughable parlour stance.

Maybe so, but it came off as condescending, and I winced at what you got in return.

Ew kool your post is just so post-modern 21st century maudlin well, like nothingness trapped inside this forbidden in-sight that is forever kept under the silken in-raged being of acceptance.

Harsh.


I don't agree with Chlamor's take on Marx, but I simply do not have the time to engage him in a debate about it and if I were to engage him in a debate about it I would need to be prepared for the possibility that he would take me up on it and that might entail hours and hours and days of research and writing. I will say this one thing... The young Marx and the old Marx are two different beings. Like all of us Marx evolved over time as did his ideas.

As for the labels.... TKL's right... we're human beings. Ianeye's right... they are just masks (not always willingly put on).

The working class? What the fuck is that? Anyone here ever actually worked in a factory? I did, once, and most of the people were total dumbasses. There's no nobility in "the working class". Sure, there are a few people who are interesting and smart and iconoclastic, but for the most part the people who do menial labor are not the brightest tools in the shed and don't have any interest in being so. About all they want to discuss is cars, sports, bodily functions and the last person who pisses them off.

While this rings true to a limited extent and is well within my actual experience, keep in mind the idea that meaningless, menial labor making useless crap so you can get a paycheck and go buy the useless crap other people are making is uneccesary. Eliminate all the uneccesary, meaningless, alienating labor producing useless crap and maybe people would have more time and energy to care about something you and I might consider more "noble". In any case, consider that those menial laborers have children and providing for those children is as basic a human function as there is.

Marx was an idealist, and he was completely, 100% bass-ackwards about human nature.

HUH? Have you ever read Marx?

Humans are territorial by nature.

This is probably true to a certain extent, although I'm betting Chlamor will argue against it to the death. Citing sitcoms for your evidence probably won't hold up.

Let's face it, the distinctions between what we call "liberalism" and "conservatism" is the division between those who value property and those who value people. That's the root of all of it.

Maybe so, but one could argue those distinctions are engineered. It is always good advice to be on guard against mistaking the words for reality.

[IanEye]

Humans are territorial by nature.

This is probably true to a certain extent, although I'm betting Chlamor will argue against it to the death. Citing sitcoms for your evidence probably won't hold up.

"So the winning run is at second base, with two outs, three and two to Mookie Wilson.... little roller up along first..."