Zoo chimp 'planned' stone attacks

[freemason9]

"The monkeys there did nothing but play with themselves"

Isnt that what mental patients do when they have been locked up in an institution?

Hell, if I had my way in life that's how I would spend my days.

[Silverfox]

The problem in trying to understand any animal behavior is quite simply that we insist on trying to interpret it as if it came from the very the same kind of complex intentions or motivations that are responsible for all of our own.

At the very ame time we are also just as guilty of trying to blame or even justify some of the worst of those intentions and motivations of our's on so-called "instinctive" inclinations in order to minimize our own sense of guilt about both having and acting on them.

We don't see or understand animal behavior properly or in its proper context because we don't want to see and understand our own properly and within its proper context which brings us right back to those complex human intentions and motivations of ours again.

Of course animals do not actually have "to think" to any extent about anything that simply comes naturally to them in their natural environment. That takes in all of their territory while leaving out just about all of ours.

Their world spontaneously triggers them into quite specific and automatic actions and reactions that regardless of however we may choose to see or interpret them, always protect and promote that living environment in nothing but beneficial ways. Always and in all ways, in no uncertain terms.

Ways that are, in fact, far more complex than any of the thought processes we presently use to try and understand them or the completely artificial environment we have made for ourselves out of them that we are just as foolishly attempting to do that in.

Stories such as this one skirt and obscure the underlying human motivations that have a vested interest in interpreting that chimpanzee's behavior in a certain way in order to interpret our own in a certain way.

To try and imply an equation where one does not exist so that logic can then be applied to to read it either way as being true or correct without being directly assailed or by implying that any challenges to it have less than logical reasons behind them.

The chimpanzee's behavior, regardless of whatever it happens to be, cannot be deviously or maliciously pre-meditated or planned under any circumstances precisely because he is a chimpanzee. Period.

We are the only ones capable of seeing and interpreting his actions that way because of our own over-famililarity with both doing just that ourselves and just as deviously, maliciously, and premeditatively seeking out any way we possibly can to avoid taking any responsibility for doing it.

Suggesting that the chimpanzee can act with malice aforethought is just a stone's-throw away from implying that it may be a common, though rarely observed trait in higher primates which we are just as spuriously claimed on the very same kind of grounds to share a kinship with.

I say that simply because that too is merely another inferred claim that is put forth for certain human intentions and motivations that would perfer to look anywhere and everywhere else except in the nearest mirror to account for own actions.

[wintler2]

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The chimpanzee's behavior, regardless of whatever it happens to be, cannot be deviously or maliciously pre-meditated or planned under any circumstances precisely because he is a chimpanzee. Period.
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Lots of certainty, no substantiable basis for it. Who says chimps can't have malice aforethought? If they can do what we call jealousy, and pining, and grief, then why not premeditated malice? Life imprisonment is surely a situation perfectly suited to developing the sentiment regardless of whether it is innate, and quibbling about how it should be described (if thats your angle) is i think only tedious. Personally i'd like to slip the chimp a chisel, so i won't pretend objectivity.

"We need another and a wiser and perhaps a more mystical concept of animals. Remote from universal nature and living by complicated artifice, man in civilization surveys the creature through the glass of his knowledge and sees thereby a feather magnified and the whole image in distortion. We patronize them for their incompleteness, for their tragic fate for having taken form so far below ourselves. And therein do we err.

For the animal shall not be measured by man. In a world older and more complete than ours, they move finished and complete, gifted with the extension of the senses we have lost or never attained, living by voices we shall never hear. They are not brethren, they are not underlings: they are other nations, caught with ourselves in the net of life and time, fellow prisoners of the splendour and travail of the earth." Henry Beston

[monkeytribe23]

Free the Furuvik One!

[Luposapien]

Premeditated? Crime of Passion? Karma in action? All of the above?

Monkey gets revenge on owner who forced him to climb trees for coconuts... by killing him with a well-aimed coconut

By Andrew Drummond
Last updated at 12:28 PM on 10th March 2009

A monkey who tired of being forced to climb trees to pick coconuts killed his owner with a well-aimed coconut.

The owner died immediately from the monkey's throw from the top of a tree in the Thai Province of Nakorn Sri Thammarat, according to the Samui Express newspaper.

The newspaper said that Leilit Janchoom, 48, had beaten the monkey whenever he showed any hesitance to climb a tree.

The owner was insistent because he got the equivalent of 4p for every coconut picked.

But the monkey - it is claimed - apparently found the work boring, strenuous and unrewarding.

The monkey had to climb palms as high as 50 metres, said the report.

The victim's wife Uthai said they had bought the monkey for about £130.

'It seemed lovable. We called him Brother Kwan,' she said.

Bizarre stock photo of Monkey drinking ("enjoying" according to the caption) a Pepsi accompanies the original article. You'd think it wouldn't be that difficult to find a picture of a monkey with a coconut.

[Seamus OBlimey]

[Seamus OBlimey]

Monkey and Coconut Problem