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Postby FreeLancer » Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:26 pm

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Postby Avalon » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:08 pm

There were a whole lot of missile silos placed in suburban areas. I recall Weird New Jersey magazine had a few features on them.

Presumably the taxes end up high because there are fewer homes of any value to spread out the load.

Nordic's landliving.com link was interesting. I'd read about the Heidelberg Project recently.

I was going to say, look at all the vacant land, Detroit could be on its way to food self-sufficiency. Then a poster further down the article says that the land may be contaminated, and all the toxic dirt, maybe the top 12 feet, would have to be removed. he says, "Note: I know its popular to try and shop for food locally - there is a group that has a 100 mile rule - make your holiday dinner using food produced within 100 miles of where you live. When I am in Southern Michigan, the Detroit area but Midland down - my rule is 250 miles - only food must come from at least that far AWAY... "
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Postby chiggerbit » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:11 pm

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Postby chiggerbit » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:13 pm

Then a poster further down the article says that the land may be contaminated, and all the toxic dirt, maybe the top 12 feet, would have to be removed. he says, "Note: I know its popular to try and shop for food locally - there is a group that has a 100 mile rule - make your holiday dinner using food produced within 100 miles of where you live. When I am in Southern Michigan, the Detroit area but Midland down - my rule is 250 miles - only food must come from at least that far AWAY... "


Heh, I saw that. At the least, if there are empty lots in the area, get soil samples from them and have them tested.
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Postby chiggerbit » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:29 pm

$4,000. This is one of those I've seen that I could swear is biggerr than the listing site indicates, and wonder if they are measuing only the foundation size, not the second story:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/9189- ... 3261_zpid/
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Postby chiggerbit » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:39 pm

Here's another one--I just can't imagine fitting five bedrooms into 1200 sq feet $4, 900. This search site gives a comparison of value, andsome previous sale history:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/4362- ... 5056_zpid/

ZESTIMATE®: $71,000 What's this?
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Zestimate A Zestimate home valuation is Zillow's estimated market value. It is not an appraisal. Use it as a starting point to determine a home's value.
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The Value Range is the high and low estimated market value for which Zillow values a home. The more information, the smaller the range, and the more accurate the Zestimate. See data coverage and accuracy table Value Range: $37,630 - $73,840
30-day change: -$3,000
Zestimate updated: 03/13/2009
Last sale and tax info
Sold 07/12/2007: $70,000

2007 Property Tax: $914
Walk Score: 55
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Postby chiggerbit » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:57 pm

Check out the value range for this one now listed for $6,000 (Pssst, it has a fireplace, and they don't even mention it):

ZESTIMATE®: $91,000 What's this?
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Value Range: $70,070 - $95,550
30-day change: -$4,500 Zestimate updated: 03/13/2009
Last sale and tax info
Sold 01/11/2008: $75,182 *
2007 Property Tax: $2,991 Close
Transaction Not Included in Zestimate This transaction was not used in computing the Zestimate for this house due to anomalies we detected with this transaction. These anomalies can include unusual document or transaction types, sales between possibly related parties, unusually high or low transaction prices, or other data irregularities that might indicate the transaction is not a full-value, arms-length transaction. * Transaction not included in Zestimate. More info
Walk Score: 68
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http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6161- ... 8249_zpid/
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Postby pepsified thinker » Sun Mar 15, 2009 6:59 pm

Funny story--

when my first teaching job was in a charter school (so not Detroit Public schools) in Detroit, near Fort Street and Scheaffer (sp?), so the 'Southwest Detroit' area.

The neigborhood was interesting: some houses immaculately kept up, with with the trunks of trees painted white, and curb and decorative rocks, too.

And the houses had neat lawns and nice aluminum awnings and so on.

Except, that would be one block, and the next block would have a crack house in it. Or Across the street there'd be the kind of run-down, weed choked look that some of the pictures of houses here convey.

But to me, charged with idealism about going in 'to help' somehow in the role of a teacher in an area that thirsted for a fresh start with it's schools, the blasted look was a sign of the potential to get in cheap and turn things around--be part of the solution, etc.

And somehow, the prices of the houses got into my awareness and that REALLY got me thinking, cuz they were in the 30k range, and compared to my home town, that's a REALLY cheap price.

I had a scenario of being the white family in the neighborhood, and getting to know folks and having a learning experience and my kids (at that time only one, but...) having a chance to be more aware of the non-white world, and so on, and that all seemed good. I figured we'd be showing support to the folks there who had their kids in the school, too, as opposed to commuting in from the white suburbs, etc.

So I called a realtor--there was a particular house with a sign out front that caught my eye.

But he didn't exactly welcome my interest. He was kind and gentle, but let me know that houses in that area tended to be sold within families and groups of friends--so the one I wanted to know about, with the sign out front, wasn't really available (to me).

Looking back on it, after I'd learned a bit more about such things, I assume that interaction was me being redlined OUT.

Maybe there was some sort of legitimate reason--maybe he 'read' me through the phone line and knew what it would be like for me to move into a neighborhood in the middle of an urban war zone (kids came to school telling me about the body that had been found near their house, and car pooling in--two white guys in a car on a side street in the early morning hours, we'd get followed by vans that would tailgate us and flash their lights, I assume taking us for 'customers' for drugs or women or...). So maybe wisdom guided the kindly older realtor guy in turning me away.

And being on my side of the 'redline' divide, I had opportunities not then available to folks on the other side.

--so no biggie.

sorry for the drawn-out version, but I thought that story might be of use if you're coming at these Detroit houses with the same outlook as I had.

People move out of Detroit, if they can. It takes a sort of missionary-like outlook to go to live there. I had my eyes opened in a big way in the course of working there for a year+. I learned an awful lot about the need for uplift there and the forces pushing 'down' there--but I also learned I wouldn't want to raise my kids there. I love my good public libraries and parks here and schools too (if I do say so). And my kids haven't ever come home telling stories about dead bodies found near their homes or schools.
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Postby chiggerbit » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:26 pm

Hell, yes, there are two main cultures in the lower half of the LP--the black culture and the white culture. This may seem harsh of me to say, but I really think the welfare state broke something in the black culture that it's never been able to recover from. And that white culture in that area is no pristine model of goodness and virtue either. The white one tends to be the one of union power, and it's mean and just as corrupt as the black one, in it's own way. When I mentioned my sister-in-laws kids attending schools on half-day shifts back in the early eighties, I was talking about a very small, white rural district up towards the Thumb. The people of that district didn't want to spend money on schools, and by damn, they didn't. I doubt the attitude has changed in the meantime.
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Postby pepsified thinker » Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:27 pm

sorry if this has already been posted somewhere on the thread, but I hadn't noticed it, so here:

http://www.detroityes.com/home.htm


In the site's photos of Detroit's great buildings--even thought they may now be gone, or wrecked by time & neglect, or otherwise, I see a reason for renewal and reclaiming Detroit. I hope they convey the potential of the city to you all. I'm not at all the expert on Detroit, so feel free to add to, or correct, or disregard my ¢2 worth or input.
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Postby OP ED » Sun Mar 15, 2009 10:01 pm

Fort Street and Schaefer Hwy ?

that's almost River Rouge. Not that bad really. Crime rates roughly comparable to Philadelphia.

even the waspier burbs here have higher crime rates than most places though. gas station i buy cigarettes/beer from, on the corner, gets robbed once or twice a year. an ex girlfriend of mine was shot at only a couple of months ago while working at this location. [six mile, in redford]

re: crime and the river, etc. not a universal rule, by any means, as certain city centers have been kept safe due to higher population density and the vigilance of the police forces. [also less CIAgents selling crack] and/or some have been "reclaimed" as semi-safe due to the newer presence of Casinos. the actual gangsters do not value competition.

when the city was better, the relatively richer folks lived nearer the river, as is often the case. as the city declined, these folks were among the first to leave, therefore the river sections in some areas have been abandoned the longest/most thoroughly. hence more crime.

the entire corpse of the city is now a gargantuan gothic ghost town. devil's nite didn't help none either. though we largely have that under control nowadays. [unfortunately it had already been exported to your city before then]

edit: even if you think you may want to purchase something illegal, never return flash your lights.
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:30 pm

Looks like Flint, Michigan, which used to be a milder kind of Detroit when I knew it, also has some deals. I imagine the Chevrolet, Body by Fisher plants and all the auto-related manufacturing aren't doing so well.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhom ... 1106123962
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Mar 23, 2009 5:31 pm

I believe Theresa Duncan's tastes in Detroit real estate ran towards the classy Indian Village line, a sample of which can be seen for sale here:

http://www.trulia.com/for_sale/3840_nh/ ... HOME_type/
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Postby Brentos » Mon Mar 23, 2009 6:49 pm

hard to know what to post about detroit. I work there, drive past/near most of the properties back and forth to work from the 'burbs.
Its truly a sad place (the 'burbs mostly ;-), but also a place I love. Its the epitome of racial divide, and all the hyperbole that comes with it. My african-american girlfriend and I have a term we use called 'ghetto-hicks' to make light of the never-ending racial divide which is promoted by the press. (midwestern 'burb hicks vs ghetto hillbillies). its a place I hate and love.
Recommended to invest in detroit. Anything will help, but dont fear the locals, just treat them with respect, and not with fear, too much of that in detroit. People are people and just want respect. There are problems, but detroit is much safer than you think, just need to be sensible like locking up properly etc... since money is tight.
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Postby chiggerbit » Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:27 pm

If I were running the country, the first thing I'd do would be to give Detroit some bailout money for demolition. Cripes, those structures aren't safe, and they are too much of an eyesore to overlook if the city ever hopes to get past this third-world image. If the country could get rid of three WTC buildings in short order, Detroit could be done in a couple of years, if someone would just get it started.
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