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by compared2what? » Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:52 am
What are the odds that a CIA asset would create another disappeared plane story to cover for Obama's efforts to pull the USG's chestnuts out of the fire?
by Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:59 am
compared2what? wrote:What are the odds that a CIA asset would create another disappeared plane story to cover for Obama's efforts to pull the USG's chestnuts out of the fire?
They're impossible to calculate. Also, I asked you for clarification about Piaget on the Dora thread, and the absence of individual agency from KWH theory as outlined by you on the kinky sex thread.
Why are you shunning me, Hugh? Why?
by winston smith » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:35 am
Threat Level Privacy, Crime and Security Online Air France Crash Raises Questions About Domain Name Registration (Updated)
By Kim Zetter June 3, 2009 | 3:57 pm | Categories: Miscellaneous
(Updates with a new re-direct for flight447.com, extension of the domain ownership for another 9 years, and the removal of an eBay listing for AirFranceLawSuit.com)
As investigators seek to unravel the fate of Air France flight 447, there’s been speculation online about an unusual domain name registration made some two years prior to this week’s plane crash, flight447.com.
The mystery of the Air France flight that disappeared this week deepened after news agencies on Wednesday confirmed a previous Air France flight from Buenos Aires to Paris was the target of a bomb threat just days before. That plane was inspected and arrived without incident.
Now it has emerged that someone registered a domain for the missing plane’s flight number on September 30, 2007. It’s not unusual for individuals to register domain names shortly after news breaks on a big story and then to sell them. Indeed, a second domain AirFrance447.com was registered the day of the crash, hours after the news made headlines, and a third domain AirFranceLawSuit.com is being auctioned on e-Bay this week after being registered the day after the crash.
The timing of the two-year-old flight447.com, however, makes it unusual.
The domain which currently points to a search engine currently redirects to karimmovies.com, a site promoting an Israeli-Palestinian love story called David and Fatima about an Israeli soldier’s relationship with a Palestinian Muslim girl.
Both domains are owned by Kari Bian, an Iranian film producer based in the U.S. He’s also listed as executive producer for Secrets of Life, a movie starring Tony Curtis, Vivica Fox, Jon Lovitz and Cheech Marin, and a semi-autobiographical tale called The Iron Man, which is unrelated to the Robert Downey, Jr., film and is loosely based on Bian’s life.
When contacted Bian said that the connection between his registration and the crash is coincidental. “It’s just an accident (that there’s a connection),” he said. “I have nothing to do with anything. I feel really bad for that flight.”
The cause of the crash is still unknown.
Bian also owns a small side business registering domains called Thriftys. Bian says he buys domain names and owns about 500 of them, which include the names of numerous airline flight numbers as well as the names of cars, flowers, businesses and songs. He says he created the flight number domains with a program.
“I just put ‘flight’ in front of 1 through 1,000 and I register them,” he explained.
He says he didn’t buy the flight domains for any particular reason and has no intention of selling flight447.com now.
“I’m very busy with my work and my career,” he says. “I’m not waiting for a flight to crash so I can go sell it. I’m a professional businessman and I make movies and it happens that I own this domain name.”
The flight447.com domain, registered to Bian’s company Success Incorporated in Malibu, California, was set to expire on the September 30 this year. But on Wednesday, according to the WhoIs database, ownership was extended until 2018 after publication of this post.
Another domain related to the Air France flight — AirFranceLawSuit.com — that is up for sale on e-Bay was registered the day after the crash to Hoda Elkassem in Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Elkassem, who is in Kuwait temporarily where her husband is teaching art, responded to an e-mail inquiry from Threat Level. She’s a pharmacist and the author of two children’s books, Ruqayyah Makes Her Wudhu’ According to the Sunnah of the Prophet and Abdur-Rahman Makes His Wudhu’: According to the Sunnah of the Prophet as well as an e-book on buying a home without paying interest.
She said she took a break from her pharmaceutical work four and a half years ago to be at home with her children and decided to buy and sell domains “since it is easy and does not require leaving my children.” She’s given some away for good causes and sold others for as little as 99 cents and as much as $1,000. She often purchases expired domains or ones with catchy titles.
She bought the Air France domain because she flies frequently over the Atlantic often and couldn’t stop thinking about the families of the crash victims.
“To not know the fate of your loved ones in my opinion is the worst torture,” she wrote.
Generally she doesn’t see much action on her e-Bay listings until the end of the auction, and there are currently no bids on the Air France auction, but she says this one has received a lot more hits than usual and has a number of watchers — people who sign in to e-Bay to watch the progress of a specific auction.
In the e-Bay auction listing she wrote:
It is my hope, God Willing, that a group of qualified Attorneys will want to set up this website in order open communication between the 228 families involved and to ensure they get what they deserve for having to go through such unnecessary grief.
Airplanes are built with state of the art technology allowing air traffic controllers to know the whereabouts of all airplanes at all times. Communication should not have been lost and the family members of the victims should have known the fate of their loved ones immediately.
by RocketMan » Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:32 am
FERNANDO DE NORONHA, Brazil (AFP) – The mystery surrounding the crash of an Air France plane off the coast of Brazil deepened after Brazilian officials said items they had pulled from the sea were not in fact debris from the downed Airbus.
The search by ships for wreckage from Air France flight AF 477, which came down early Monday as it was flying from Rio de Janeiro to Paris with 228 people on board, continued in a zone where confirmed items from the plane had been spotted earlier in the week.
"Up to now, no material from the plane has been recovered," Brigadier Ramon Cardoso, director of Brazilian air traffic control, told reporters in the northeastern city of Recife late Thursday.
That contradicted a statement Cardoso made earlier Thursday when he said a pallet and two buoys plucked from the Atlantic by navy crews were the first pieces of the Air France crash.
In fact, Cardoso admitted later, they were nothing more than sea "trash," probably from a ship, as was a big oil patch originally described as a fuel slick from the French jet.
by Jeff » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:02 am
by seemslikeadream » Fri Jun 05, 2009 12:57 pm
http://www.allnewsweb.com/page6916913.php
Breaking news: UFO invasion of earth imminent
Michael Cohen m.cohen@allnewsweb.com
In the last few weeks I have been talking incessantly about a UFO vortex exit either in the south of Brazil in Santa Catarina or in the north-east near Fortaleza. Highly credible multiple reports have shown the silvery discs that exit this vortex to cause electrical failure. Tragically a plane has gone down killing over 200 people in one of two areas where I believe this vortex is located and many ufologists are not sure it is a coincidence.
As I write I can confirm that dozens of scientists employed by the governments of the major nations are in Fortaleza tracking down and trying to capture images of these UFOs. In the last few days it can also be confirmed that UFO activity and the arrival of these silver, disc shaped surveillance UFOs has been unprecedented and well beyond any previous levels of activity.
NASA, enjoying the last moments of earth's splendid isolation has gone into overdrive with its cover-up story 'debunking' UFO activity picked up by its satellites. Other news outlets are busy informing us of six spyplanes that are commonly mistaken for UFOs: and although undoubtedly the latter story has much truth to it one must wonder about the timing.
However it appears the horse has bolted and the hour of contact is upon us whether NASA or any government likes it or not.
South-West China as well as Siberia are areas where the vortex is tipped to move to shortly.
A report has just been filed in the US by a commercial pilot a who witnessed a similar type craft flying alongside his plane and the US government is taking this incident very seriously.
Has a race in the nearby Andromeda Galaxy 'discovered' us? Have these 'unmanned' surveillance discs made their way home at some point and reported back on our existence? It is more likely that they have known about us for thousands of years but have now decided we are ready for contact, or perhaps it simply a case of us being more aware of them as our own technology develops. Whatever the case, the floodgate has opened.
Let me predict: Sightings of UFOs by will be unprecedented over the next few weeks. We are at a minute to midnight in terms of ending our isolation. Open, unilateral contact is months, weeks, days or even hours away.
We are about to meet our universal brethren: are you ready?
http://www.allnewsweb.com/page6916912.php
Air France tragedy: UFO connections beyond coincidence
Michael Cohen m.cohen@allnewsweb.com
When I heard of the horrific Air France tragedy one of the first thoughts that came to my mind was the obvious 'Is there a UFO connection?, I then fleetingly thought of doing a story but decided against it as some might regard it in poor taste.
I feel for the victims as much as anyone but in my case and in relation specifically to my own research the UFO connections to this accident cannot be ignored.
UFO traffic and Australia's Bermuda Triangle
Dramatic development regarding UFO hotspot and Aussie Bermuda Triangle
Breaking News: UFO related air incident-QF72, Passenger testimony
Brazil UFO flap: Flying saucer sizzles car DVD player, good photos
Michael Cohen: Government UFO secrets revealed
Michael Cohen: Amazing UFO messages revealed.
UFO disclosure and alien technology: The truth revealed
The above articles written by myself say it all and really need no explanation, but I will paraphrase:
Last year I wrote extensively about another Airbus 330 that experienced electrical failure in what I believed to be a UFO hot spot.
Earlier this year I wrote an article about two UFO sightings in Brazil. One sighting, which occurred near Fortaleza received a surprising number of emails from government departments of nations spanning Asia to Europe.
A number of correspondents specifically asked if I had phone number of Mr Nilton Novaes, who photographed the UFO. The article also noted that the disc-like UFOs involved in the Urubici sighting caused electrical failure in the car belonging to the witness, who also managed to get photographs.
The last set of articles discusses my conclusion that a vortex entrance, that visiting 'unmanned' UFOs come through, exists in a mountainous region of Brazil, possibly near Fortaleza.
Asian and European national agencies are currently in Fortaleza looking for UFOs and the photo taken by Nilton Noveas (below) might well be the first government certified picture of an alien craft you have ever seen.
The event was a massive tragedy, however for me at least, the UFO connections cannot be ignored and this article is in no way is an attempt to exploit the event to peddle hocus-pocus. As far as I am concerned this is more real than any article that merely talks of electronics failure.
All News Web sends its condolences to the families of the victims
"I just found something curious regarding the disappearance of Air France Flight 447. While browsing through the USGS website, I noticed that the general time and area where the this aircraft apparently vanished coincides with a 4.7 earthquake at the central Mid-Atlantic ridge. Check this out: (LINK to USGS quake here)
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/rec ... 09hhab.php
That quake was at 10:47 PM local time at the epicenter on May 30. As Wikipedia notes about the aircraft's timing: "The aircraft departed Rio de Janeiro-Galeão International Airport on 31 May 2009 at 19:03 local time (22:03 UTC), with a scheduled arrival at Paris-Charles de Gaulle Airport approximately 11 hours later."
by FreeLancer » Fri Jun 05, 2009 1:55 pm
by RocketMan » Fri Jun 05, 2009 3:52 pm
Did Air France Flight 447 give off a flash of light before crashing into the ocean?
Two pilots of an Air Comet flight from Lima to Lisbon saw a bright flash of light in the area where Flight 447 went down, the Madrid-based airline told CNN. The pilots have turned in their report to authorities.
"Suddenly, we saw in the distance a strong and intense flash of white light, which followed a descending and vertical trajectory and which broke up in six seconds," the captain wrote in the report.
The flash of light contributes to the theory that an explosion is what brought down Flight 447, which was carrying 228 people from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.
Countering that theory is a Le Monde newspaper report that quotes an investigation official saying that the plane was flying too slow. Airbus is reportedly going to warn operators of A330 jets to speed up in storms.
Also countering the theory is Brazil's defense minister Nelson Jobim, who told reporters that the 12-mile oil slick left by the plane indicates that the plane did not break up until it hit the water.
by justdrew » Fri Jun 05, 2009 4:11 pm
FreeLancer wrote:I'm a little confused here. The missing Air France flight is still missing... right? It disappeared. The wreckage found in the ocean is apparently not wreckage but sea junk. Therefore no wreckage has been found. Therefore the flight is still missing. Yet, CNN says that "all 228 passengers and crew died when it went down on Monday..." How do we know they are dead? Is it possible that someone is floating in a life raft somewhere? Shouldn't the article say missing and presumed dead?
How is it-- in this age of geo-satellite tracking-- that a jet liner can just disappear?
by elfismiles » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:08 pm
Debris found in Atlantic is NOT from Air France jet say red-faced investigators
By Peter Allen and Mail Foreign Service
The investigation into downed Air France flight 447 was thrown into chaos today when red-faced investigators admitted that debris found floating in the ocean was not from the doomed jet.
Military investigators had said that they had 'without a doubt' found vital parts of the Airbus A330 in deep ocean 600 miles off the coast of Brazil.
Among the debris was a wooden pallet that they believed had been used to load luggage on to the plane, which disappeared over the Atlantic early Monday morning with 228 people on board.
But today investigators said the wooden pallet and two buoys recovered was not from Flight 447, but just floating waste believed to be from a ship.
Earlier, investigators had also claimed to have spotted a plane seat and a seven-metre piece of fuselage floating in the ocean from search planes thousands of feet up.
They have not yet confirmed if those pieces of debris were from Flight 447 or not.
Brigadier Ramon Cardoso, director of Brazilian air traffic control, said: 'We confirm that the pallet found is not part of the debris of the plane. It's a pallet that was in the area, but considered more to be trash,' he said.
He added the Airbus that vanished on Monday did not have any wooden pallets on board.
'That's how we can confirm that the pallet isn't part of the remains of the aircraft,' Cardoso said.
Cardoso said the fuel slicks detected in the area were ‘almost certainly from another passing vessel too.’
Yesterday Brazilian Defence Minister Nelson Jobim rubbished the idea that the plane had been blown out of the sky by a bomb, saying that if an explosion had occurred on board all the fuel would have burned away.
‘If we have oil stains, it means it wasn’t burned,’ he said.
However with investigators admitting the fuel found floating in the water was not from the plane, speculation that the plane had fallen victim to a terrorist attack was growing again.
French investigators said no cause, including a terrorist bomb, had yet been ruled out.
And the French rounded on Brazilian investigators, with transportation minister Dominique Bussereau saying he 'regretted' the announcement that debris from the plane had been found.
'French authorities have been saying for several days that we have to be extremely prudent,' Bussereau told France's RTL radio. 'Our planes and naval ships have seen nothing.'
He said it is 'bad news' that the Brazilian teams were mistaken. 'We would have preferred that it (the debris) had come from the plane and that we had some information,' he said.
Three more Brazilian boats and a French ship equipped with small submarines are expected to arrive in the area in the next few days.
Cardoso said the search effort would continue, with the main focus on finding bodies, but bad weather is forecast for the region.
He said ships searching the area have not yet recovered any plane debris from the sea.
Debris spotted about 340 miles (550 kilometres) northeast of Brazil's northern Fernando de Noronha islands by the helicopter crew so far includes a 23-foot (seven-metre) chunk of plane, an airline seat, an oil slick and several large brown and yellow pieces that Cardoso said probably came from inside the plane.
French military spokesman Christophe Prazuck said the priority was looking for wreckage from the plane, before turning the search to flight data recorders.
'The clock is ticking on finding debris before they spread out and before they sink or disappear,’ said Mr Prazuck.
Air France officials have said the recorders, which could be deep under water, may never be found.
They have also warned that they are far from working out the cause of the crash.
Investigators are relying on a stream of up to six automated messages sent out just before the crash, which suggested the plane’s systems shut down as it flew through high thunderstorms.
The messages were sent out over a period of 14 minutes - indicating that pilots battled for nearly a quarter of an hour to save the lives of those on board.
The plane's navigational systems went into meltdown over the last four minutes, however, and pilots were unable to recover control of the jet.
The computer messages have suggested that speed sensors failed or iced over, causing erroneous data to be fed to on board computers.
This might have caused the plane to fly too fast or too slowly through the storm, leading it either to break apart or stall and fall out of the sky.
Pilot error was feared also. One of the automatic messages showed that the auto-pilot on board had been switched off, meaning the pilot had taken manual control of the plane, possibly in an effort to bring it safely through thunderous turbulence.
But yesterday there was speculation the pilot or co-pilots had slowed the plane too much, causing it to stall at 35,000ft, an event that could have been catastrophic.
Airbus has issued new advice to all airlines using A330s about optimal speeds during stormy weather after investigators suggested the plane may have stalled mid-air.
A high-altitude stall at 35,000ft would explain why the aircraft apparently broke up during appalling weather conditions.
Meteorologists said the jet entered an unusual storm with 100 mph updrafts that acted as a vacuum, sucking water up from the ocean.
The incredibly moist air rushed up to the plane's high altitude, where it quickly froze in minus-40 degree temperatures.
The updrafts also would have created dangerous turbulence.
Airbus declined to comment but retired pilot Jean Serrat said: ‘If accident investigators are making a recommendation so early, it is because they know very well what happened.
'The first thing you do when you fly into turbulence is to reduce speed to counter its effects. If you reduce speed too much you stall.’
A stall, in which the wings lose lift, would have made the aircraft uncontrollable.
Air France Flight 447 was en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris when it plunged into the Atlantic four hours into its flight on Monday. All 228 people on board, including five Britons, died.
A Spanish pilot yesterday reported a flash of light at the time it disappeared. ‘Suddenly we saw in the distance a strong, intense flash of white light that took a downward, vertical trajectory and disappeared in six seconds,’ the pilot of an Air Comet flight from Lima to Madrid told his company.
Aviation trade publications focused on warnings in recent months issued by U.S. and European regulators about electronic systems on A330s and A340s that could throw planes into sharp dives.
Grieving families may sue Air France for ten of millions of pounds in compensation.
Mariana Paes, a friend of one of those who died, said: ‘People who lost want an explanation and full recompense for their loss.’
14-minute countdown to disasterAt 11pm on Sunday, the Airbus 330 was flying through black thunderstorms towering up 50,000 feet above sea-level, as updraft winds battered it at up to 100mph.
14 minutes later, with its systems failing, the plane was breaking apart and plummeting into the Atlantic ocean with 228 people onboard.
Exactly what happened during those terrifying moments may never be known, but the last messages sent out by the aircraft may give clues
According to the New York Post:
At 11pm (2am GMT) pilot Marc Dubois sent a manual signal saying he was flying through an area of 'CBs' - black, electrically charged cumulonimbus clouds that carry violent winds and lightning.
At 11.10pm, automatic messages relayed by the jetliner indicated the autopilot had disengaged.
This suggested Dubois and his two co-pilots were trying to thread their way through the storm manually.
At this point a key computer system had switched to alternative power and controls needed to keep the plane stable had been damaged.
An alarm also sounded, indicating that the 'fly-by-wire' system on the Airbus that controls the flaps on the wings had shifted to 'alternate law'.
Alternate law is an emergency back-up system that kicks in after an electronic failure. It enables the plane to keep functioning with less energy - but reduces stability, which would have been desperately needed as the pilots battled to bring the jet safely out of the turbulence.
At 11.12pm, two key computers monitoring air speed, altitude and direction failed. These would have increased the pilot's loss of control over the plane.
The loss of instruments showing air speed in particular would have been detrimental. The pilot was trying to fly a fine line between slowing the plane enough to navigate through the turbulence, and not slowing so much that the plane stalled mid-air, which would have been catastrophic.
The messages show there was an inconsistency between the different measured airspeeds shortly after the plane entered the storm zone.
At 11.13pm, control of the main flight computer, back up system and wing spoilers also failed.
The last automatic message, at 11.14pm, indicated complete electrical failure and a massive loss of cabin pressure - catastrophic events, indicating that the plane was breaking apart and plunging toward the ocean.
Last night Airbus warned airline crews to follow standard procedures if they suspect speed indicators are faulty.
The Airbus telex was sent to customers of its A330s late yesterday. An industry official said such warnings are only sent if accident investigators have established facts that they consider important enough to pass on immediately to airlines.
The recommendation was authorised by the French air accident investigation agency (BEA) looking into the disaster. It has said the speed levels registered by the slew of messages from the plane showed 'incoherence'.
Airbus said its message to clients did not imply that the doomed pilots did anything wrong or that a design fault was in any way responsible for the crash.
'This Aircraft Information Telex is an information document that in no way implicates any blame,' a spokesman said today.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... ators.html
by Jeff » Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:51 pm
seemslikeadream wrote:And this one that says "Air France tragedy: UFO connections beyond coincidence."http://www.allnewsweb.com/page6916912.php
by barracuda » Fri Jun 05, 2009 6:15 pm
by justdrew » Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:04 pm
by MacCruiskeen » Fri Jun 05, 2009 9:30 pm
justdrew wrote:I predict we're less than 7 days away from learning of a US Navy training exercise off the coast.
by monster » Sat Jun 06, 2009 1:26 am
Flight 447 crash could join list of mysteries
As the possibility decreases that investigators will learn what happened to Air France Flight 447 on Monday over the Atlantic Ocean, the chances of it entering the folklore of mystery crashes grows.
Brazilian air force officials still have not identified debris from the Airbus A330, and a former U.S. National Transportation Safety Board official said currents would be scattering any debris from the flight over an increasing area, reducing the probability of finding the jetliner's voice and flight data recorders.
Experts said lack of answers about what happened to Flight 447 could give it a lasting place in the public consciousness, like TWA Flight 800.
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