Original PI owner gives up, gives to whack jobs

[DancingBear]

"The good news, and for this I really have to thank you, is that your coup resulted in a beneficial Spring Cleaning and PI can focus on its original business of being a haven where the Political Left can talk in peace and in depth. "


Rubbish. You turned it into into a cesspool where drunks and fools can scream out about how Marxism will cure all ills, yet when pressed for answers can do nothing more than belittle the questioners.

And who in the name of My Cousin Vinny decided that fucking Marxists are now the standard bearers for the Political Left? Tin, if you think that clams and pinko are gonna lead us out of the wilderness then I suggest you start hoarding food and water, 'cause you're gonna be lost for a VERY long time.

[Tinoire]

In case you missed the reference:

This is a discussion board, not the Justice League.

Though if every PI member's personal data is compromised, you no longer have secret identities.

Jeff, we don't have personal data on members. Our registration allows for free e-mail accounts and most of the name fields are either blank or fictitious.

Our Admins have access to no more information than than any moderator at DU. DYEW knows that pertinently but hey, if you're going to parse your lies, why not go for it all the way.

There's no agreement either. DYEW is *confused*, probably still reeling from her failed coup.

Out of DYEW's mouth in this thread, the only truthful words were the conjunctions. She's out of her flipping mind.

[DoYouEverWonder]

In case you missed the reference:

This is a discussion board, not the Justice League.

Though if every PI member's personal data is compromised, you no longer have secret identities.

Jeff, we don't have personal data on members. Our registration allows for free e-mail accounts and most of the name fields are either blank or fictitious.

Our Admins have access to no more information than than any moderator at DU. DYEW knows that pertinently but hey, if you're going to parse your lies, why not go for it all the way.

There's no agreement either. DYEW is *confused*, probably still reeling from her failed coup.

Out of DYEW's mouth in this thread, the only truthful words were the conjunctions. She's out of her flipping mind.

Dear Tin,

You know that I tried to reach you (by phone at least 3 times) but you wouldn't return my calls, which is something you have never done before. I have already explained to you my problems with the other two admins. TA is the one who claimed that he was against banning anyone and since I was an admin that I had the ability to unban them. So I did. In order, to protect them and myself I turned off TA's and Meg's admin rights. The only people with access to the admin panel at that point was me and you. I hoped that my action would get your attention and apparently it did. That is why I did nothing to the board, that you couldn't undo. I know you can't see this now, but I hope someday you will understand that I did what I did, because I care for you and I still do.

However, when you allowed your friends to make death treats to me and others and you see nothing wrong with that, then all I know is something is seriously wrong here. This is not the Tin that any of us use to know and all I wish is to find some way to help you. I only hope what I've done doesn't hurt your more then you've already been hurt.

In peace,
DYEW

[seemslikeadream]

OMG People of RI be warned


SLaD believes the pyramids were not built as tombs!! Run for the hills. Tin has know me for 7 years and NOW my wackiness upsets her? I was a fixture in The Meeting Room at DU, consent poster in the 9/11 forum at DU. (haven for all conspiracies chemtrails and cropcircles, yes Tin didn't you know?)Did you ever notice in 4 years the vids I was posting in PI's media forum? You didn't have a clue who I was? For God's sake you even asked me to be a mod a week before this all started. Either you had no clue then or no clue now, which is it this week Tin? Oh and remember you did exactly this a couple of years ago to the same people you now have given total control of PI to? You are the one that has turned on a dime twice now, trashing your long time friends especially leftchick, how you turned on her was unbelievable.

[chlamor]

Sorry clammie,

DYEW is spot on, and you're one of the biggest phonies on this planet.

You and your Gang Of Six are illogical, lack any sort of critical thinking skills (unless they're wrapped around Marx, which is a contradiction in terms), are hopelessly unwilling to engage in any dialogue that shakes your illogical perceptions, and are prone (in your case at least) to condemn individuals with such brilliant retorts as "you're a fucking tool" or "I fucking hate rich people" or any of the other kindergarden pearls that pour forth from your keyboard.

You turned PI into a circle-jerk, the members are leaving in droves, you actually have "classes" on Marxism being 'taught" by a self-professed "expert", and you STILL haven't managed to come up with one concrete idea to move forward, unless you think condemning everyone who doesn't buy into Lockstep Nation is a positive step.

We see where you're going, and we don't like ideological fascism on either side of the aisle, although you seem quite enamored with it.

Say, how's that membership drive going??

The site is now under the administration of the remaining membership. They have access to the website files and they have rearranged, deleted and edited many of the posts and threads on the forum. They also have access to everyone's account info.

This is a breach of trust and the agreement we signed when we joined the forum.

You mean everyone left now has administrative privilege?

I'm sorry to see what's happened over there, and shocked that it has. It looks now like a bullying parody of a Leninist death cult.

Bullshit Jeff.

Your comment is ignorant. Kate and DYEW are blatant liars.

Your knowledge of what happened is most likely very scant at best. Sorry but those of us who detest the status quo and are for socialism aren't too keen on those who defend the status quo. Now why don't you actually find out what went down before you too assert reactionary drivel. Oh, wait- too late you already did.

No you see Stumbling Bear this is ultimately about politics. It is you have been quite consistent to engage in discussions of any depth when it comes to political ideas. Most likely you steer clear of these discussions because you then would be exposed for being on shaky ground when it comes to understanding political realities as you haven't much in the way of a foundation which to base your pompous thoughts.

Not once in all of the posts I've seen of yours did even the slightest whiff of erudition arise. And that's okay. It's not even really necessary. But accompanying that there was not even a hint of curiosity combined with an overdose of "you know what you are talking about." All in all a horrible recipe for anything other than pretense when it comes to an exchange on a political forum.

As far as PI goes remember that the posters such as myself who you are presently, and will always be, in strong disagreement with were mostly not only the original members of PI but also for the most part the most noted and popular ones before the New Age crew came around and drove away a large number of posters. People leave for other reasons not related to any of this.

But in any case the ultimate story here is that our politics and yours are not only in disagreement they are diametrically opposed. Ultimately you line up much more closely with right-wing reactionaries than you shall ever care to admit. Again this comes in part to the fact that you cannot and will not, for many reasons, even take the time to gain a toehold in basic tenets of political-economy which would give you some insight as to how the "liberal" ideologies you perpetuate comport with right-wing philosophies.

Those of us who are paying attention to this and understand how it is folks like yourself become so defensive and obstinate when your sacred cows are punctured also understand why it is you despise those of us on the left. We are a threat to your way of thinking a way that serves to defend the status quo no matter how you attempt to dress it up. Ultimately you and I, I won't speak for others though I'm sure a few would agree, are not only in mild disagreement but are in fact on opposite sides with no compromise, at least on my part, possible. You are the dead wood that needs clearing. You are an example of the obstacle that clouds clear thinking.

Here's a reminder:

Modern liberalism is occupying the space where the Left should be, confusing and misleading people, steering people away from accurate perceptions and clouding their minds, preventing them from asking the right questions because they think they already have the answers. That is dead wood that needs clearing. If we are willing to kick over the beehive of modern liberalism you will see the true face and the true nature of the ruling class war against the people with crystal clarity. As it is, we can't even see the enemy now. We are looking out the tent flap watching for the approach of those dreaded right wingers, and the enemy is behind us right in our own tent.

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Now I recognize that many people here define themselves as "progressives/liberals" and therefore, may reject whatever came before... but it is still important to know what that was.

It is also true that "liberals" and "leftists" may find themselves allied on many issues or tactics and may well need each other under those circumstances.

Finally, it is true that "liberal" or "leftist" may refer to "political labels", applied by "the right", by others, or even by oneself, and have no particular relevance to the actual issues which divide "liberals" and "leftists".

Nonetheless... historically, liberals and leftists are not merely different points in a common spectrum but, in the end, they are implacable enemies. And the issue is precisely joined on the issue of class, as has been mentioned before but now seems to have disappeared from the general lexicon.

If the term "left" has any meaning other than a purely relative one, it is as that group of political ideas, parties, movements, and organizations which believes that politics is driven less by ideas than by interests and that those interests are based on economic class. Radical republicans (Civil War variety), revolutionary democrats, social democrats (including even a sizable chunk of the British Labor Party and the German SDs of today), socialists, utopian socialists, agrarian socialists, communists, anarchists, anarco-syndicalists, and nihilists - if these do not agree on anything else, they agree on the centrality of social classes even before they divide on what to do about them.

In contrast, "Liberals" explicitly reject the centrality of social classes. If such exist at all, they are assumed to be trumped by a common interest (national or otherwise) and any division is based only on transitory political opinion or policy. They are united with "Conservatives" in their agreement on the fundamental norms of society and on their long-term objectives (most importantly in the defense of private property and the projection of "national interest"). Indeed, for them, the current organization of society is the only one conceivable.


To the Liberals, the Left is a competitor for the same political constituency they claim to represent. The Left fosters "national division" and "class hatred" where moderation and "cooler heads" might otherwise prevail. They are often hand-cuffed by the "extreme demands" and "lack of reform mindedness" of the Left. If things come to a head, they can even justify arresting the Left... in the interest of "the greater good", of course (see Palmer, McCarthy, many more...).

The Left returns this attitude with interest... They regard the Liberals as the reform party of the ruling class. From this standpoint, the Liberals most assuredly need the Left. We are the monsters-beneath-the-bed that they invariably point to as a reason for the Conservatives to negotiate "reform"... "If you don't deal with us you may have to tackle the great unwashed". That is what "playing the class card" or "race card" means.

What exactly do we need the Liberals for? If there turns out to have been a misunderstanding of biblical prophesy and all Liberals are suddenly captured by the Rapture and disappear from the face of the earth how much worse off would we be? Would Rove suddenly be "turned loose" ‘cause Joe Biden was no longer there to protect us?

A little political poem:

They ask:
"Why can't we just get along?"
We ask:
"Which side are you on?"

[DawnB]

I changed my email as a result of it - for my last name used to be in it; and, some of the people that referred to me as "a tool," "a fraud," and stated that they hated people like me (income) now have my last name.

I'm going to ask that my information be deleted; I'll ask Tinoire.

As to the board, in the year-and-a-half that I was there, everything went well, and no one told me that I had to despise capitalism and want to eliminate it. I always agreed with the Greens, and the board stated that I was welcome. No one ever warned me that I had to qualify as a leftist who loathed capitalism and "the ruling class." Then, suddenly, in an unbelievably rude manner, I was informed of that in a thread.

I voluntarily left for about three months. Then, I went back to respond to a member repeatedly saying that members left because they were bested in arguments (not true).

During that time, I was told that I repeatedly lied about what happened in my life, when I had been truthful, and that I was a rightwinger. That was weird. I never thought that a Green would be considered a rightwinger.

I never have called myself a "liberal," and yet the returning members kept referring to me as one. I'm a Green (my positions can be found at www.gp.org). The Green platform does not say that one must be for the immediate elimination of capitalism, and be against private property. It does not say that one must be a great fan of Marx, or that one has to quote him when one is addressing human psychology and behavior. Why would I revere someone who has no background in it?

Maybe I should make sure that I'm left enough for this board. Am I?

[chlamor]

Here's a message from Curt_b:

For any lurkers from RI or elsewhere, during the dust up almost every Leftist here made some move keep the discussion about politics. It was always rejected. This was my attempt. Read the comments, you'll get the idea:

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... _id=101711


I wasn't one the people banned here. I've never received a PM or email from anyone who posts here. I quit visiting this board after the mass banning, only because the Mikes, chlamors, Anaxs, BPs, Kids, etc. weren't here anymore. I went to where they were posting, and, truthfully, thought the work at the other PI and SI was superior to the work done here, both in their absence and after their return (excepting the Capital threads, which I challenge you to find their equal on-line).

There is only one definition of solidarity that I find true: that change only happens through mass working class movements. All political activity has to be evaluated by how it builds/or impedes those movements.

I'm sure that most of you are good people, in the sense that you empathize with or serve working people. But, as Mike/TA has said a thousand times, that isn't political. The ideas of community and civility are, of course, appealing; but it's it's not solidarity unless it's class solidarity, as chlamor has said a thousand times.

And then that brings us to the waste of resources displayed here. You have a labor historian and political economist in Anax, that if you would stop and think for a moment offers you an opportunity to really discuss Marxism outside of the ruling class frame. He only acts as an asshole, when some of you go into some nonsensical accusations of sectarianism and dogmatism. The Kid, Mike, BP, Pinko Commie, Dhalgren, and me (among others) often take issue with his analysis, but not with the central issue. Capitalism is a murderous system that can not be reformed. Agree or disagree, just quit with the cult, dogma etc., bullshit accusations.

If some of us, take it personally that people in the US and around the world face extinction because of capitalist class domination, and recognize that politics is the struggle against it, well that's what politics is. You can be moral, benevolent, generous, polite, open to discussion and kindhearted; but if you're not contributing to working class struggle through building mass movements (in thought or deed), you're not political.

Having said that, I'm not asking you to quit doing what you're doing, or quit posting here or anywhere else. I live in Cincinnati, Ohio one of the most segregated and poor cities in the country. I challenge you to come here and explain how the people in the urban core, the suburbs and the ex-urbs deserve to be where they are. I challenge you to come here and explain to people living in mind-crushing poverty, how it's because of human nature, greed, ignorance or apathy. So do what you do, but if it's not helping to build a working class movement to end capitalism, you aren't helping them or their children.

[DancingBear]

Sorry clammie,

DYEW is spot on, and you're one of the biggest phonies on this planet.

You and your Gang Of Six are illogical, lack any sort of critical thinking skills (unless they're wrapped around Marx, which is a contradiction in terms), are hopelessly unwilling to engage in any dialogue that shakes your illogical perceptions, and are prone (in your case at least) to condemn individuals with such brilliant retorts as "you're a fucking tool" or "I fucking hate rich people" or any of the other kindergarden pearls that pour forth from your keyboard.

You turned PI into a circle-jerk, the members are leaving in droves, you actually have "classes" on Marxism being 'taught" by a self-professed "expert", and you STILL haven't managed to come up with one concrete idea to move forward, unless you think condemning everyone who doesn't buy into Lockstep Nation is a positive step.

We see where you're going, and we don't like ideological fascism on either side of the aisle, although you seem quite enamored with it.

Say, how's that membership drive going??

The site is now under the administration of the remaining membership. They have access to the website files and they have rearranged, deleted and edited many of the posts and threads on the forum. They also have access to everyone's account info.

This is a breach of trust and the agreement we signed when we joined the forum.

You mean everyone left now has administrative privilege?

I'm sorry to see what's happened over there, and shocked that it has. It looks now like a bullying parody of a Leninist death cult.

Bullshit Jeff.

Your comment is ignorant. Kate and DYEW are blatant liars.

Your knowledge of what happened is most likely very scant at best. Sorry but those of us who detest the status quo and are for socialism aren't too keen on those who defend the status quo. Now why don't you actually find out what went down before you too assert reactionary drivel. Oh, wait- too late you already did.

No you see Stumbling Bear this is ultimately about politics. It is you have been quite consistent to engage in discussions of any depth when it comes to political ideas. Most likely you steer clear of these discussions because you then would be exposed for being on shaky ground when it comes to understanding political realities as you haven't much in the way of a foundation which to base your pompous thoughts.

Not once in all of the posts I've seen of yours did even the slightest whiff of erudition arise. And that's okay. It's not even really necessary. But accompanying that there was not even a hint of curiosity combined with an overdose of "you know what you are talking about." All in all a horrible recipe for anything other than pretense when it comes to an exchange on a political forum.

As far as PI goes remember that the posters such as myself who you are presently, and will always be, in strong disagreement with were mostly not only the original members of PI but also for the most part the most noted and popular ones before the New Age crew came around and drove away a large number of posters. People leave for other reasons not related to any of this.

But in any case the ultimate story here is that our politics and yours are not only in disagreement they are diametrically opposed. Ultimately you line up much more closely with right-wing reactionaries than you shall ever care to admit. Again this comes in part to the fact that you cannot and will not, for many reasons, even take the time to gain a toehold in basic tenets of political-economy which would give you some insight as to how the "liberal" ideologies you perpetuate comport with right-wing philosophies.

Those of us who are paying attention to this and understand how it is folks like yourself become so defensive and obstinate when your sacred cows are punctured also understand why it is you despise those of us on the left. We are a threat to your way of thinking a way that serves to defend the status quo no matter how you attempt to dress it up. Ultimately you and I, I won't speak for others though I'm sure a few would agree, are not only in mild disagreement but are in fact on opposite sides with no compromise, at least on my part, possible. You are the dead wood that needs clearing. You are an example of the obstacle that clouds clear thinking.

Here's a reminder:

Modern liberalism is occupying the space where the Left should be, confusing and misleading people, steering people away from accurate perceptions and clouding their minds, preventing them from asking the right questions because they think they already have the answers. That is dead wood that needs clearing. If we are willing to kick over the beehive of modern liberalism you will see the true face and the true nature of the ruling class war against the people with crystal clarity. As it is, we can't even see the enemy now. We are looking out the tent flap watching for the approach of those dreaded right wingers, and the enemy is behind us right in our own tent.

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Now I recognize that many people here define themselves as "progressives/liberals" and therefore, may reject whatever came before... but it is still important to know what that was.

It is also true that "liberals" and "leftists" may find themselves allied on many issues or tactics and may well need each other under those circumstances.

Finally, it is true that "liberal" or "leftist" may refer to "political labels", applied by "the right", by others, or even by oneself, and have no particular relevance to the actual issues which divide "liberals" and "leftists".

Nonetheless... historically, liberals and leftists are not merely different points in a common spectrum but, in the end, they are implacable enemies. And the issue is precisely joined on the issue of class, as has been mentioned before but now seems to have disappeared from the general lexicon.

If the term "left" has any meaning other than a purely relative one, it is as that group of political ideas, parties, movements, and organizations which believes that politics is driven less by ideas than by interests and that those interests are based on economic class. Radical republicans (Civil War variety), revolutionary democrats, social democrats (including even a sizable chunk of the British Labor Party and the German SDs of today), socialists, utopian socialists, agrarian socialists, communists, anarchists, anarco-syndicalists, and nihilists - if these do not agree on anything else, they agree on the centrality of social classes even before they divide on what to do about them.

In contrast, "Liberals" explicitly reject the centrality of social classes. If such exist at all, they are assumed to be trumped by a common interest (national or otherwise) and any division is based only on transitory political opinion or policy. They are united with "Conservatives" in their agreement on the fundamental norms of society and on their long-term objectives (most importantly in the defense of private property and the projection of "national interest"). Indeed, for them, the current organization of society is the only one conceivable.


To the Liberals, the Left is a competitor for the same political constituency they claim to represent. The Left fosters "national division" and "class hatred" where moderation and "cooler heads" might otherwise prevail. They are often hand-cuffed by the "extreme demands" and "lack of reform mindedness" of the Left. If things come to a head, they can even justify arresting the Left... in the interest of "the greater good", of course (see Palmer, McCarthy, many more...).

The Left returns this attitude with interest... They regard the Liberals as the reform party of the ruling class. From this standpoint, the Liberals most assuredly need the Left. We are the monsters-beneath-the-bed that they invariably point to as a reason for the Conservatives to negotiate "reform"... "If you don't deal with us you may have to tackle the great unwashed". That is what "playing the class card" or "race card" means.

What exactly do we need the Liberals for? If there turns out to have been a misunderstanding of biblical prophesy and all Liberals are suddenly captured by the Rapture and disappear from the face of the earth how much worse off would we be? Would Rove suddenly be "turned loose" ‘cause Joe Biden was no longer there to protect us?

A little political poem:

They ask:
"Why can't we just get along?"
We ask:
"Which side are you on?"

Oh my clammie,

Now you're delusional. You see, when the mirror turns inward it shows that you, and your rigid political ideology, are about as (right-wing) reactionary as can be, although I and mine do get a good chuckle when you accuse us of behaving in your fashion.

I do give you props though for actually BELIEVING you stand on some type of moral high ground, shaky as it is and totally bereft of anything of substance. Also, kudos for the absolute master of pomposity to accuse others - THAT one was rich. As was the "new age" tag - is that your "one size fits all" comment for anyone that doesn't think Marx pees cognac and shits pearls?

I (and mine) are still waiting for your keen insights on anything not related to your own personal one track train. See clams, curiosity runs both ways, and since you go through life with blinders on it is impossible for you to see the periphery. Amazingly enough, your would-be allies live there, but you're so obsessed with being The Perfect Revolutionary that you'll never find them. When you find yourself thinking you're on top of the mountain it may be because everyone else moved away. On purpose.

Think about it - but do it on your own. Karl don't know jack about humankind.

[TBF]

The site is now under the administration of the remaining membership. They have access to the website files and they have rearranged, deleted and edited many of the posts and threads on the forum. They also have access to everyone's account info.

This is a breach of trust and the agreement we signed when we joined the forum.

You mean everyone left now has administrative privilege? :shock:

I'm sorry to see what's happened over there, and shocked that it has. It looks now like a bullying parody of a Leninist death cult.

Jeff, after reading this post all I'd like to know is how to end my membership here. Thanks.

[marshwren]

No you see Stumbling Bear this is ultimately about politics.

Oh, you mean THESE politics:

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Reply #10: the best line of response, in my opinion

Two Americas

Member since May 20th 2009
1260 posts
Fri Oct-02-09 10:45 AM
In response to Original Post

Edited by Two Americas on Fri Oct-02-09 10:47 AM
I would say don't go on the defensive, and don't get into a back and forth about the absurd and malicious and obviously fales "charges" being made against us. Shift the discussion away from Internet board drama, and back to politics. What is the relevant political issue here? It is the fake-left, now so clearly revealed - how it works, what the tactics are, why it exists, the political impact from it. Talk about that. Use this as an opportunity to get that into the discussion, and then relentlessly talk about it no matter how much shit flies or how much noise people make to create chaos and shut that discussion down.

The "audience" we are playing for is not the people posting, but rather the lurkers and observers. What they are looking for is a sign that this battle and battles like it can be won. It can be won, it will be won. It will be won by, as anaxarchos says, "keeping it real," and by walking straight ahead and not being distracted off into all of this drama about "behavior" and whatever other crap is being thrown around.

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/d ... _id=102000

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Well, clams, seems everybody now knows who pulls your strings...

[Jeff]

I won't say I understand what's happening at PI, and though what I think I see happening there saddens and disturbs me, it remains Tinoire's board to reposition as she chooses. If, in fact, that's what she's doing.

What that means for the discussion here - it's complicated. There are some shared members, and ex-members, with conflicting grievances, and if this can be a forum for their discussion, then terrific. But the more thought I give to this, the less thrilled I am at the prospect of a board vs board pissing match. So, while I can appreciate the passions invested, for the health of this board I'm not going to allow this to become a protracted flame war.

[marshwren]

I won't say I understand what's happening at PI, and though what I think I see happening there saddens and disturbs me, it remains Tinoire's board to reposition as she chooses. If, in fact, that's what she's doing.

What that means for the discussion here - it's complicated. There are some shared members, and ex-members, with conflicting grievances, and if this can be a forum for their discussion, then terrific. But the more thought I give to this, the less thrilled I am at the prospect of a board vs board pissing match. So, while I can appreciate the passions invested, for the health of this board I'm not going to allow this to become a protracted flame war.

Well, hopefully i've said just about everything that needs to be said on the subject--even if TA said most of it for me; and will honor your request accordingly. BTW: "parody of a Leninist cult" was spot on--bravo, sir, and well done...

[JackRiddler]

The site is now under the administration of the remaining membership. They have access to the website files and they have rearranged, deleted and edited many of the posts and threads on the forum. They also have access to everyone's account info.

This is a breach of trust and the agreement we signed when we joined the forum.

You mean everyone left now has administrative privilege?

I'm sorry to see what's happened over there, and shocked that it has. It looks now like a bullying parody of a Leninist death cult.

Jeff, after reading this post all I'd like to know is how to end my membership here. Thanks.

Dude/ette, you have a grand total of 1 Post?

Very persuasive!

[marshwren]

The site is now under the administration of the remaining membership. They have access to the website files and they have rearranged, deleted and edited many of the posts and threads on the forum. They also have access to everyone's account info.

This is a breach of trust and the agreement we signed when we joined the forum.

You mean everyone left now has administrative privilege?

I'm sorry to see what's happened over there, and shocked that it has. It looks now like a bullying parody of a Leninist death cult.

Jeff, after reading this post all I'd like to know is how to end my membership here. Thanks.

Dude/ette, you have a grand total of 1 Post?

Very persuasive!

Yeah, but you gotta admit, it was a really, really GOOD post--probably the best of his/her internet career...

[DawnB]

I think most of us were shocked at how we were treated on the other board - and it has actually been a learning experience. I had been on the board for a year and a half, and made a lot of friends. Then, the whole tone changed.


It would have been nice if, around June 6th, there'd been a message on PI something like,"Hey, we're changing the board. We've invited new members back. We want each member to be a leftist, and that means that you have to be against capitalism and free market economies, revere Karl Marx and accept him as the uber-psychologist and uber-sociologist, think "Bees" is more important than any other work, and want to discuss "capital" and "value" until you feel like banging your head against the wall until you're senseless. If this isn't for you, say your goodbyes and take a hike." That might have been nice.

I voluntarily left for about three months.

I went back and supported my friends a few days ago.

Anyway, there's several lessons to be learned from the whole thing.