Confessions Of A Former Alex Jones Fan

[Sounder]

Sfnate wrote….

Alex Jones has become the Alex Jones Show, a parasitic beast of an operation that has a perversely symbiotic relationship with the very monsters it rants against.

Spot on here, and what Jack said.

[8bitagent]

Who do you think is going to be targeted when the crunch comes? You know the Nazis also avowed a rejection of the German ruling class of their time, but soon as they got the go-ahead from the bankers and industrialists it was the out-groups who were lined up for extermination, and the bankers and industrialists who made money from it.

Prime example of conspiracy theories being used to enact pure evil.
Hitler claimed the Jews, Communists and Freemasons were controlling the finances and world order...and we saw what happened. 30,000 dead Freemasons, millions of dead Jews, "commies", Romas, gays, Russians, etc.

Of course, Communism *was* bad in such that more people died from oppressive brutal communist governments(Russia, China, Cambodia,
North Korea, etc) than from the Nazis...but still.

Do you think there would be less people questioning the official story of 9/11 today if it hadn't been for Loose Change and its no-plane bullshit? I don't. I do think they might be asking better questions and forcing the official story to fall apart. Alex Jones and Loose Change have helped only to polarize the vast majority in defense of the official lies against their alternative lies.

Yeah Loose Change and Alex Jones in effect, pretty much reduced asking questions about that awful event as akin to questioning the holocaust in the majority of liberal and conservative mainstream mindsets.

[Searcher08]

I became critical of Alex Jones personally after reading Indira Singh talk about his (allegedly) very shabby treatment of 4ACloserLook host Michael Corbin.

Michael (R.I.P.) was a really good guy who didnt employ the bombast and bluster, wasn't 'marketing driven' , much more a kind of very bright Orlin Grabbe-type libertarian free thinking investigator, a real 'host' who didn't pound and pummel his guests till they squeaked what he wanted them to say.

I miss Michael and I miss Indira Singh's research. I have not heard anything about what she is up to for ages.

[8bitagent]

I became critical of Alex Jones personally after reading Indira Singh talk about his (allegedly) very shabby treatment of 4ACloserLook host Michael Corbin.

Michael (R.I.P.) was a really good guy who didnt employ the bombast and bluster, wasn't 'marketing driven' , much more a kind of very bright Orlin Grabbe-type libertarian free thinking investigator, a real 'host' who didn't pound and pummel his guests till they squeaked what he wanted them to say.

I miss Michael and I miss Indira Singh's research. I have not heard anything about what she is up to for ages.

Im glad I was able to get tuned into Corbin's show in 2005. A month of Alex Jones left me wanting something more...less agitating and substantive.

She still posts though, on Corbin's website:
http://www.4acloserlookat911.com/

Mostly writing about Ptech's ties to 9/11 and the financial deep state

[lupercal]

Sfnate wrote….

Alex Jones has become the Alex Jones Show, a parasitic beast of an operation that has a perversely symbiotic relationship with the very monsters it rants against.

Spot on here, and what Jack said.

That's probably so, but is that worse than actually BEING the monster, or owned by it, as in the case of the NYT, NPR, WaPo, every cable and broadcast network, most newspapers, and the rest of the spook-infested MIC-friendly media?

If AJ is clearly part of the intel mindfuck, like DU with its dungeons of deathless debunkers or Markos Moulitsas, who openly admitted working for the CIA, then I would find him extremely dangerous. But if he's just peddling his own uber-libertarian social Darwinism, even though it's repellent, I'm not sure that outweighs his utility as a truth teller. If AJ has to sound like Rush Limbaugh to get an audience that doesn't strike me as an entirely bad thing.

I've visited his PP site only once and didn't like it, and I don't agree with much or any of his politics such as I understand them and definitely not with his position on AGW, but I'm not convinced he's pernicious because I haven't yet seen evidence that he's on the intel teat, though he may well be.

[8bitagent]

Sfnate wrote….

Alex Jones has become the Alex Jones Show, a parasitic beast of an operation that has a perversely symbiotic relationship with the very monsters it rants against.

Spot on here, and what Jack said.

That's probably so, but is that worse than actually BEING the monster, or owned by it, as in the case of the NYT, NPR, WaPo, every cable and broadcast network, most newspapers, and the rest of the spook-infested MIC-friendly media?

If AJ is clearly part of the intel mindfuck, like DU with its dungeons of deathless debunkers or Markos Moulitsas, who openly admitted working for the CIA, then I would find him extremely dangerous. But if he's just peddling his own uber-libertarian social Darwinism, even though it's repellent, I'm not sure that outweighs his utility as a truth teller. If AJ has to sound like Rush Limbaugh to get an audience that doesn't strike me as an entirely bad thing.

I've visited his PP site only once and didn't like it, and I don't agree with much or any of his politics such as I understand them and definitely not with his position on AGW, but I'm not convinced he's pernicious because I haven't yet seen evidence that he's on the intel teat, though he may well be.

The idea AJ is an "operative", or what's the other one's...a "Zionist/Jesuit agent" is silly.

He is as Riddler described, someone who found a hook. Someone who donned a faux Rush bravado and found an angle. He claims he has repeatedly turned down offers to "sell out" to tv and hollywood; but
that could be his ego talking.

Again, this amazing spoof of Alex Jone's websites and ads couldn't be more spot on:
http://fallofalexjones.com/

AJ is a cottage industry onto himself...and he'd fly to arctic cold to bullhorn a melting glacier if he could. "Stop faking! You're not really melting! This is all just a false flag psyop to push a one world government!"

[Searcher08]

Im glad I was able to get tuned into Corbin's show in 2005. A month of Alex Jones left me wanting something more...less agitating and substantive.

She still posts though, on Corbin's website:
http://www.4acloserlookat911.com/

Mostly writing about Ptech's ties to 9/11 and the financial deep state[/quote]


Sadly, it's not been updated since shortly after his death in 2008. I'm concerned in case Indira has first responder disease. She knows about links between 9/11 and Enron.

[thatsmystory]

You have the big tent/one issue agreement trend whereby skeptics of 9/11 are grateful that somebody in the media dares to question 9/11. So grateful that they are willing to overlook Jones' right wing views. The only issue that matters is Jones' view on 9/11.

So one ends up condoning all sorts of views that serve to marginalize skepticism of 9/11.

[8bitagent]

You have the big tent/one issue agreement trend whereby skeptics of 9/11 are grateful that somebody in the media dares to question 9/11. So grateful that they are willing to overlook Jones' right wing views. The only issue that matters is Jones' view on 9/11.

So one ends up condoning all sorts of views that serve to marginalize skepticism of 9/11.

Pretty much.

Others that fully embrace "9/11 Truth" and the view that 9/11 was not
done by al Qaeda:

David Duke
Louis Farrakhan
most of Stormfront.org
Gerome Corsi
Kent Hovind
Chuck Baldwin

...just saying:)

[cptmarginal]

I used to listen to Alex Jones around 2004-2006 and I remember him outright saying that he has secret sources who are in the military, and repeatedly making hints that this was so. He would go as far as to imply that there was a standing threat against the lives of his family, and that he needed to stay quiet about certain things.

I think Alex Jones is a little bit dumb, and lacks a comprehensive overview of things. I stopped listening to his show purely because his show's focus was so narrow. In retrospect, I have had many serious questions about his life and career.

This thread is a goldmine

Prime example of conspiracy theories being used to enact pure evil.
Hitler claimed the Jews, Communists and Freemasons were controlling the finances and world order...and we saw what happened. 30,000 dead Freemasons, millions of dead Jews, "commies", Romas, gays, Russians, etc.

The same Protocols of the Elders of Zion style structure is used by a lot of different interesting people for different purposes. Just look at the Japanese Aum death cult, for example, and all the crazy shit they did besides the subway attack.

Isn't it amazing how obviously scripted the 20th century looks in retrospect? The phony World Wars and false dialectic of communist vs. capitalist. Both sides slaughtered millions during the Cold War, both shared sources of funding. What was really going on? A bloody excuse to fund trillions in research & infrastructure, and to cull populations of undesirables?

Has anyone else seen Chris Marker's Grin Without a Cat?

Some think the third World War will be set off by a nuclear missile. For me, that's the way it will end. In the meantime, the figures of an intricate game are developing, a game whose de-coding will give historians of the future - if they are still around - a very hard time. A weird game. Its rules change as the match evolves. To start with, the super powers' rivalry transforms itself not only into a Holy Alliance of the Rich against the Poor, but also into a selective co-elimination of Revolutionary Vanguards, wherever bombs would endanger sources of raw materials. As well as into the manipulation of these vanguards to pursue goals that are not their own. During the last ten years, some groups of forces (often more instinctive than organized) have been trying to play the game themselves - even if they knocked over the pieces. Wherever they tried, they failed. Nevertheless, it's been their being that has the most profoundly transformed politics in our time. This film intends to show some of the steps of this transformation.

Relevant:

http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com ... urder.html
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stor ... con-raids/
http://www.boingboing.net/2008/06/30/of ... rrori.html
http://cryptogon.com/2002_07_14_blogarc ... l#79012445
http://cryptogon.com/?p=2590

[8bitagent]

I used to listen to Alex Jones around 2004-2006 and I remember him outright saying that he has secret sources who are in the military, and repeatedly making hints that this was so. He would go as far as to imply that there was a standing threat against the lives of his family, and that he needed to stay quiet about certain things.

I think Alex Jones is a little bit dumb, and lacks a comprehensive overview of things. I stopped listening to his show purely because his show's focus was so narrow. In retrospect, I have had many serious questions about his life and career.

This thread is a goldmine


The same Protocols of the Elders of Zion style structure is used by a lot of different interesting people for different purposes. Just look at the Japanese Aum death cult, for example, and all the crazy shit they did besides the subway attack.

Isn't it amazing how obviously scripted the 20th century looks in retrospect? The phony World Wars and false dialectic of communist vs. capitalist. Both sides slaughtered millions during the Cold War, both shared sources of funding. What was really going on? A bloody excuse to fund trillions in research & infrastructure, and to cull populations of undesirables?

First off, I couldn't agree more. While I can't help but roll my eyes at all the cold war era "them thar commies are everywhere!" talk and the contemporary "socialist commie agenda, look out!" gobbledygook by the right wing...there's no doubt countless millions DID die under communism regimes such as in Cambodia, China, Russia, North Korea, etc.

AJ has the amazing ability to take healthy skepticism and activist research anger and somehow turn it inside out so that the "truth" is a diseased and rotten piece of fruit. Sure, you realize you're starving...but do you really want to eat that fruit?

AJ manages to ruin what would otherwise be sound skepticism.
Questioning 9/11, wars, over-reaching anti privacy laws, modified/chemicals in our foods, child abuse, etc thus somehow
gets flipped into a loosey goosey with the facts Terry Gilliam movie on acid...thus turning off people who might otherwise be open to such ideas.

AJ is probably able to fool a lot of people, not with slick Obama like NLP...but with pro wrestling meets Rush Limbaugh like bravado
mixed with a frankenstienish Bill Hicks. What Jones does is intentionally insert a number of "them thar yankee words" to make his otherwise obnoxious self sound "educated" to his audience...which, sadly often times seems almost as befuddled as the Glenn Beck or Rush crowd.
"Let's get to brass tax people! These Malthusiasn new world order Hegelian dialectic scumbags in the aggregate are imposing a multi layered blah blah blah. Problem reaction solution, false flag psyops, DONT YOU GET IT SHEEP?".

Hell, even I from time to time unconsciously let fly a few of these patriot conspiracy culture jargons.

[JackRiddler]

When the President launches wars, implements indefinite detention, and orders torture, do not attempt to hold him accountable. It’s not his fault. It’s the New World Order.

When Congress passes laws that trample your liberties, do not attempt to hold them accountable. It’s not their fault. It’s the New World Order.

When a Police Chief orders his department to taser old women, beat down kids, and trample the liberties of citizens, do not attempt to hold him accountable. It’s not his fault. It’s the New World Order.

When a police officer abuses his authority, ignore him. It’s not his fault. It’s the New World Order.
Who is the New World Order?

The New World Order is a shadowy group that can never be confronted. They are everywhere and represent everything you oppose. They are evil luciferian banksters, internationalists, and public figures. We do not really know who they are beyond these broad labels.
How will we defeat this nebulous evil?

We will defeat them with witty posters, clever black t-shirts, bullhorning hotels and street corners, and the constant promotion of the Alex Jones Radio Show and websites.
How is This Possible Given Their Power? Their Fatal Mistake…

Throughout history, these exact same men have been behind every atrocity ever committed. (They are very old men.) They have accomplished this by controlling both sides of every conflict.

However, on the eve of their final revolution, the Elites have made one huge mistake. They have forgotten to orchestrate a controlled opposition!

That’s where we come in. We are the REAL opposition. You can tell by our trustworthy, credible leaders and effective combat strategy. So join us today and help defeat the New World Order!

You can join the fight for freedom by purchasing one of our uber-cool t-shirts, hanging posters that advertise this website, and by signing up for our premium service! Tell everyone you know about this effective strategy to regain the liberties we have lost.

If we don’t grow this business quickly, we will all be killed. But if we can sell enough DVDs, the men who killed JFK will crawl back in their hole and we will be free again.

Let’s make it happen.

[Searcher08]

Very very funny and spot on.

[8bitagent]

@JackRiddler: Nice! I didn't even see that post.

It's funny, glancing through the fall of AJ site, it's clear the creator
is very much against war, a skeptic of the official 9/11 story,
and many things many of us believe.

But that is quite spot on, and sadly I admit to meshing myself in a vague cryptic "they" response as well.

[wordspeak2]

cptmarginal wrote:
"Isn't it amazing how obviously scripted the 20th century looks in retrospect? The phony World Wars and false dialectic of communist vs. capitalist. Both sides slaughtered millions during the Cold War, both shared sources of funding. What was really going on? A bloody excuse to fund trillions in research & infrastructure, and to cull populations of undesirables?"

I have to say, it's completely absurd that capitalism and communism is a false dialectic, and much more absurd to claim that they "shared sources of funding." You should read Michael Parenti's "Blackshirts and Reds" or... any remotely honest take on modern history (William Blum's "Killing Hope" is a good one). The entire agenda of the CIA has always been to destroy communism wherever and whenever it surfaces, to keep the Left from taking power. You can criticize the biggest communist countries, sure, but don't miss the forest for the trees. You're falling for the Alex Jones meme: "The NWO is socialism." The NWO is *obviously* global *capitalism.* Just look at it; a spade is a spade.